Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Varodoc]

Wha...

I'm pretty sure she's; at least, half knowledgeable enough to know of her own people's history to be aware that Night Elves exist.. if not she's far more useless than people credit her for.

Quel'thalas was founded 7.000 years ago, and aside from the Troll Wars (where if I am not mistaken one night elf helped the high elves), the quel'dorei never interacted with their Kalimdor kin until their rediscovery in the Third War. Maybe she heard of the night elves in history or in legends and never believed they existed. If anything, a lot more high/blood elves should be surprised that night elves exist. I don't know what's written in their history books, but 7.000 years are a lot and history can get twisted or some major details forgotten.

Basically, I interpret that comment as "WTF, I am really fighting alongside this ancient and legendary race?!?!" instead of "Eugh, night elves are disgusting, do I really have to work with these animals?".

[Daevelian]

Well if your struggling to find any reasons to support high elves beyond rubbing my face in it should they come pass, I like to think that supports my fundamental point that the request doesn't have that much going for it. Adding high elves to piss of that guy on MMO-Champion probably didn't make it onto the big white board of pros and cons when they considered them in the pre BFA days after all.

As for 'faction identity' being a pathetic argument to make in 2020, they were refusing to remove faction boundaries at Blizzcon 2019 citing faction diversity and mutual antagonism as important pillars of the game, so if you would care to enlighten us as to what changed at midnight on New Year's Eve I am all ears.

Nah, i just don't see value in being for or against it and have no real concern for it.

I just don't like the way you talk or act on these forums and think you really need to be brought down several pegs.

[Varx]

Imagine still thinking that an Allied race on the Alliance would work like a neutral race like Pandaren ROFLMAO


No, why, do you decide these things or something? Are you a wow developer or something? Have you forgot that paladins are the iconic Alliance class and shaman the Horde one? I don't want to debate that but you can see how it is not a black and white thing and depends on perception, so nice opinion I think.

You can't copy paste belves with blue eyes (lol thank you SL so so much) and call it a separate race (especially if horde equivalent is a new race) just because of some sub faction differences. Just like how blizzard addressed the new dwarf tattoos. so yeah...

The reason why the new race needs to have paladins available is because that was one of the major aspects of belves being the new horde race in TBC. So if belves/helves are no longer Horde exclusive then the "balance" should be maintained. I vote Vrykul!

[Varx]

He's written countless essays in this thread stretching back to 2018, it's very important to him that high elves are not added and I don't really know why lol

He's been pretty level headed and well written this entire thread. If anyone's toxic it's the helfers who get pissy by labeling him as "toxic" because they don't agree with the mountains of facts and logic against them.

They're prob lefties, getting all offended with facts and basing their arguments with passion fueled wishful thinking and emotions.

[FlubberPuddy]

I really don't care about the high elf issue anymore, it still interests me, but I main a blood elf now so its whatever. I'd live if blood elves got blue eyes and I would use them.

It'll be interesting to see the players that make Blood Elves with blue eyes and then take screenshots in Alliance areas with Alliance NPCs and etc. Will be interesting to see how people will utilize it for the High Elf request.

[elbleuet]

He's been pretty level headed and well written this entire thread. If anyone's toxic it's the helfers who get pissy by labeling him as "toxic" because they don't agree with the mountains of facts and logic against them.

Personal opinions and wishes aren't a mountain of facts. Nor is his logic either.

They're prob lefties, getting all offended with facts and basing their arguments with passion fueled wishful thinking and emotions.

I don't even count the number of times you got banned. Maybe you should calm down and go back later to be more constructive.

[Obelisk Kai]

He's written countless essays in this thread stretching back to 2018, it's very important to him that high elves are not added and I don't really know why lol

go a few pages back and see if he was being rational when he responded to me, wrote me an essay because I said "Wait and see" regarding the customization to see if it actually ends up in the character customization screen. I really don't care about the high elf issue anymore, it still interests me, but I main a blood elf now so its whatever. I'd live if blood elves got blue eyes and I would use them.

Don't be disingenous and don't play the martyr either please. Claiming you merely said 'wait and see' and that provoked a furious response from one of the cave dwellers in this thread may be how you present it, but what you actually said was

Don't rage about this until you see the blue eyes in character creation, datamining can mean anything, and until it's implemented, don't freak out. I honestly believe Blizz isn't gonna touch the blue eyed blood elf issue, but we'll see.

So you didn't say wait and see on the blue eyes. You stated your opinion they aren't going to do it because

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...2#post52242682

"As far as blue eyes go, I wouldn't start cheering until you see them in character creation. Blue eyed blood elves are a very controversial topic, and one blizzard probably won't touch."

That opinion was the trigger for the response, not the anodyne 'wait and see' stuff. So if you are going to complain about being responded to in a forum topic on what you elsewhere admitted is a very controversial topic then that cannot be helped. However you can be at least honest as to why you got the response, rather than creating a strawman to present yourself in a more sympathetic light.

[Starla]

I'm just waiting to see the blood elves not getting blue eyes. I still have faith in Blizzard

Eye color doesn't make the race.
So much toxicity running rampant over the topic of what Blood Elves are getting.

[Obelisk Kai]

Personal opinions and wishes aren't a mountain of facts. Nor is his logic either.

The wish for an Alliance high elf, supported by non solicited unofficial fan art and brainstorming coupled with a transparent desire to retcon the lore where appropriate or ignore it where it is inconvenient, seems to be the sum total of the pro High Elf case. I would therefore be very wary of traducing opinions and wishes as they've sustained the pro high elf community for a long time now in the absence of any facts whatsoever.

[FlubberPuddy]

So much toxicity running rampant over the topic of what Blood Elves are getting.

So much toxicity running rampart over the topic of Alliance requesting their own High Elves.

[Obelisk Kai]

I just don't like the way you talk or act on these forums and think you really need to be brought down several pegs.

So you don't care about the issue and just don't like the cut of my jib eh? So what do you intend, we go to a discord and trade 'yo mama' jokes until you feel I've been brought down several pegs?

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and here's the essay. predictable

Again, two paragraphs is not an essay nor am I going to apologise for being wordy. I will note you completely sidestepped the response however. So I say again, you complaining about me responding to your original post a few days ago which seems to have left you a bit miffed would be better if you were actually honest about the circumstances of that response rather than trying to pretend your comment was a merely innocent wait and see.

[Ardenaso]

ngl I want Obelisk Kai to be in my Lightbound Orc and Alteraci Human thread - be it pro High Elf or anti High Elf as I may be

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how do I tag again

[Starla]

So much toxicity running rampart over the topic of Alliance requesting their own High Elves.

And? Shouldn't we be trying to stop being toxic and stop encouraging that kind of behavior here?

[Daevelian]

So you don't care about the issue and just don't like the cut of my jib eh? So what do you intend, we go to a discord and trade 'yo mama' jokes until you feel I've been brought down several pegs?

Son, that's bait.

Makes me want to ask. Why do you personally not want Alliance high elves? No hiding behind the lame excuse of out-of-date lore or anything like that. Why are you so vehemently against it that you make it your personal crusade to oppose them for several years at a level that almost seems like a fetish? To have lasted this long, there HAS to be a personal reason.

[Traveler Voltin]

how can high elves be a core alliance race when they left the alliance after WC2 and then got screwed over by the alliance in WC3

[FlubberPuddy]

And? Shouldn't we be trying to stop being toxic and stop encouraging that kind of behavior here?

I think that's what people are doing by identifying where the toxicity is coming from.

[elbleuet]

how can high elves be a core alliance race when they left the alliance after WC2 and then got screwed over by the alliance in WC3

Those are Silvermoon elves. And we absolutely don't care about them actually.

The current High elves never left the Alliance.

[FlubberPuddy]

how can high elves be a core alliance race when they left the alliance after WC2 and then got screwed over by the alliance in WC3

Oh look, a question that's been asked and answered a hundred times already. You'd be better of re-reading through the thread to find your answer. You'll likely to come across your question and its answer multiple times so you won't have to worry about missing the answer.

[Starla]

He's written countless essays in this thread stretching back to 2018, it's very important to him that high elves are not added and I don't really know why lol

He's written postings like everyone else here, helfers post with as much length as he does, why make it insulting by saying 'countless essays'?
If you want to know why all you have to do is read his posts.

[Alanar]

Who cares if they get blue eyes? Alliance already has that with Void Elves. The lore is what is important, and the Silver Covenant didn't suddenly disappear because Blood Elves can use blue.

It matters for the playable high elf wish for the Alliance, which for some people is hard to grasp, even afther being told the same thing over and over.
If this happens.. we are finnaly done with all the nitpicking small detailed over what a high elf is suppose to be/look/feel/play.

Imagine looking at the forums and seeing the high elf thread closed!!