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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    If you really wanted to book-end it you could quote Chris Metzen's asserting Blood Elves are our High Elves as well, and that was from 2005. Thirteen years and they are still sticking to their guns on this subject.
    'There's lots of cool worlds out there, and I think nobody abused High elves to this degree' etc etc etc... Context is king.

    One has to be VERY naive to believe it means Blood elves are the only High elves Warcraft has, thing that people throwing the phrase already know, so what's the intention, to stir more shit up? To lie to ignorants in order to hope for them to parrot?

    Even tho, what the hell does that is even supposed to mean then? Because it is very clear, Blood elves are their High elves as in compared to other fantasy worlds, and that does not mean High elves doesn't exist, isn't embarrasing to point out something you know isn't true?
    @Strippling take note.

    Stop lying, don't get surprised when others come here and say that you are toxic and destructive.

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    800 pages test
    The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    800 pages test
    you are weak. that is why you will never receive high elves mwa ha ha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sataraism View Post
    I'm a silent reader of this thread ever since it was created, I barely ever comment on anything but I felt I had to throw my support out there to pro high elf community. I main void elf and I doubt I would ever create a high elf if they choose to add them as a sepparate race or option for existing void elf.
    However, I couldnt believe that some people would go out of their way to make sure someone else doesnt get something they have. I'm flabbergasted.
    Isnt it nice to have more options for every race? Specialy the ones that already are in the game? And please, not everyone feels fine hopping on the horde train.
    What it looks like to me is- I have a toy and I'm the only one entittled to have it, therefore no1 else can have my toy. Its childish, mean and it only shows the real chattacter behind the avatar.
    Clearly the fact that most lurkers and newcomers come here supporting for it while pointing out at the side of those against as something selfishly toxic should be... Not telling... But a revelation for some. Can these people ever learn to not be so hardcore into gatekeeping something they have been demonstrated to not have the reason to again and again?

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    I really can't fathom why people want all Alliance High Elves to be Void Elves like that literally defeats their purpose as to why they even rejected the fel crystals/vampirism in the first place. Sure there may be some but this is where you actually put the argument that they're the exceptions not the rule.

    And going against the High Elf Paladins - High Elves were already part of the Church of the Holy Light pre-WC3 and there's no premise nor basis to why they would have a reason to not be Paladins

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    Quote Originally Posted by LilSaihah View Post
    you are weak. that is why you will never receive high elves mwa ha ha
    see my signature, I'm actually lowkey anti-helfer but I'm staying here to refute anyone's wrong arguments or point out their personalities/moralities/characters as to why they are radical pro/anti-helf jihadists

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    800 pages oh boy
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    Does Obelisk Kai even talk about anything else on this forum or is he just in this thread? Lmao. Such a stupid hill to die upon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    see my signature, I'm actually lowkey anti-helfer but I'm staying here to refute anyone's wrong arguments or point out their personalities/moralities/characters as to why they are radical pro/anti-helf jihadists
    then why do you have a high elf avatar? secret high elf confirmed.

    ngl lightbound orcs sound awful tbh
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    Quote Originally Posted by LilSaihah View Post
    then why do you have a high elf avatar? secret high elf confirmed.

    ngl lightbound orcs sound awful tbh
    see my signature again. I wanted Apprentice Wizard but there's no existing icon of it online. Jennalla's cute enough to be my dream redhead waifu so she's temporary.

    why not? Lightbound Orcs are actually cool

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    I could change it to the Blood Elf Swordsman but he's not twink/bottom enough for me

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    nvm thank Elune someone made a Blood Elf Thalorien Dawnseeker skin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    Nope you are wrong. If you come with things like from vanilla on.. then atleast get it right. What you are talking about are some warcraft 2 units which were playable yes. Vanilla wow never had playable high elves, and old alpha model of nigjt elves was also for high elves because they didnt had a model for them.

    But no burning crusade was the very first moment afther warcraft 3 when high elves were playable.. renaming themselves into blood elves.. the rest is history.

    No its not a matter of fair or unfair... this is just how it is.. you are talking about blood elves joining the horde through sylvanas back in bc. You have any idea how many years ago that was? That unfair /fair argument lost its value long ago man.
    My bad, it was a NPC moved here in TBC, around the time I started playing : https://wow.gamepedia.com/Fiora_Longears

    But as you can see, a High Elf NPC, hostile to the Horde, friendly with the Alliance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LilSaihah View Post
    It sounds like you want to play Draenei or Lightforged if having a stick up your ass is your jam
    Well, I had a Draenei main for the longest time. But I don't find the High Elves to have a stick up her ass. They are simply principled, unlike the elves of the Horde.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    I really can't fathom why people want all Alliance High Elves to be Void Elves like that literally defeats their purpose as to why they even rejected the fel crystals/vampirism in the first place. Sure there may be some but this is where you actually put the argument that they're the exceptions not the rule.
    Agreed.

    Which is probably why even Blizzard didn't use High Elves to create the Void Elves. They knew that having any HE group seeking the power of the Void was against their lore and absolute foundations as a different faction compared to the Blood Elves.

    But it also adds to the fact that Void Elves can't be a compromise when it comes to the High Elf request.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pennem View Post

    Regardless, there's still High Elves in the Alliance today. Blizzard keeps adding them alongside the Alliance. And players keep requesting them.

    I don't think the request is going to go away as long as they keep doing that. If you want something to go away then typically you don't continue acknowledging it. But even when the Void Elves were fresh on the heels of release there was acknowledgement from devs that High Elves were a separate from Void Elves, and even Blood Elves.

    While Ion's comment has been the most upheld by toxic posters. Several other Blizzard developers have acknowledged High Elves are not in the game and that either they're possible for Alliance to get, or they know it's a community favorite request, or that (in their own opinion) they don't see why their shouldn't be High Elves added.

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    Yeah something must've triggered them all to come out of the wood works at once lol

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    I don't think they actually believe that, it's just another way to spread toxicity without being overt about it. Almost like giving backhanded compliments.

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    Or people can y'know just move on? Nothing's forcing anyone to stay here and you haven't been involved in this convo for over 200+ pages I think so it's not as if you've constantly been here or anything.

    what a strange way to put it.

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    Until I can play my Silver Covenant then Alliance High Elves are not playable. End of that!
    It seems to be that Blizzard just doesn't believe this topic is as important as many want it to be to them. They keep putting high elf npcs in the game because they see it working for their story. They're not going to say to themselves, 'oh gee....maybe we shouldn't put high elves in the game because it might give false hope to a few people who still believe they're getting high elves on the alliance.'

    Also, could you and others here just please stop with the antagonistic false accusations of toxicity, among other insulting terms?
    Blood Elves are High Elves!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pennem View Post
    Until I can play my Silver Covenant then Alliance High Elves are not playable. End of that!
    sums up nicely what this fanatic thread is all about. Now you know why anti helvers hate people like you .. because there is in no way to reason with, just pushing it until some one gets mad. Very healthy thread.

    The selfish whiny high elf thread.. gratz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Does Obelisk Kai even talk about anything else on this forum or is he just in this thread? Lmao. Such a stupid hill to die upon.
    Same can be said about your obsession.. so just rlx oke ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starla View Post
    It seems to be that Blizzard just doesn't believe this topic is as important as many want it to be to them. They keep putting high elf npcs in the game because they see it working for their story. They're not going to say to themselves, 'oh gee....maybe we shouldn't put high elves in the game because it might give false hope to a few people who still believe they're getting high elves on the alliance.'

    Also, could you and others here just please stop with the antagonistic false accusations of toxicity, among other insulting terms?
    Maybe they read this thread and just likes to slap you guys in the face with that, I say it's justified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starla View Post
    Also, could you and others here just please stop with the antagonistic false accusations of toxicity, among other insulting terms?
    I'm not sure why you're accusing others of things when it's plain to see moderation happening in this thread. If there's problem posts then report it.

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    Honestly I still don't get why void elves are former blood elves instead of former high elves. If you ask me, they should've been a group of high elves who followed Alleria and were turned with her into void elves. It would've made things so much easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Honestly I still don't get why void elves are former blood elves instead of former high elves. If you ask me, they should've been a group of high elves who followed Alleria and were turned with her into void elves. It would've made things so much easier.
    If Alleria had an army with her, Army of the Light wouldn't have to save her and Turalyon.
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    If you are suggesting to take my Night Elfs Shadowmeld away, then please find some pike to run yourself through, tyvm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    I really can't fathom why people want all Alliance High Elves to be Void Elves like that literally defeats their purpose as to why they even rejected the fel crystals/vampirism in the first place. Sure there may be some but this is where you actually put the argument that they're the exceptions not the rule.

    And going against the High Elf Paladins - High Elves were already part of the Church of the Holy Light pre-WC3 and there's no premise nor basis to why they would have a reason to not be Paladins

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    see my signature, I'm actually lowkey anti-helfer but I'm staying here to refute anyone's wrong arguments or point out their personalities/moralities/characters as to why they are radical pro/anti-helf jihadists

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    800 pages oh boy
    While we disagree on a lot of things, the first part is definitely where we agree the most. I want something different and unique done with High elves which stays true to their lore. High elves REJECTED dark magic even at it's darkest for moral reasons, refusing to compromise what they thought was right. Having them go and use the most evil magic in the universe kinda defeats the point of High elves. That's why I always hated Void elves as a "compromise". It's no compromise, it's Blood elves 2.0 in the Alliance.

    A compromise would have been High elves turning to nature, or being altered by Arcane magic or something.
    And yes, High elves, the actual Silver covenant, not some Blood elf exiles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Honestly I still don't get why void elves are former blood elves instead of former high elves. If you ask me, they should've been a group of high elves who followed Alleria and were turned with her into void elves. It would've made things so much easier.
    It definitely would've and that's what a lot of people were suggesting so that at least Alliance High Elves are given further direction and even more legitimized in the Alliance. Similar to how Dark Irons joined Alliance in Cataclysm and Anduin says during AR recruitment this is just formalities.

    I still think it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense because High Elves being as they are today are because they didn't want to rely on chaotic magics over their Blood Elf brethren, and Void is sort of like another side of the coin regarding chaotic magic.

    But nope, they settled on it being Blood Elves, even Ion saying 'something like a Blood Elf' and completely missed the point of why High Elves are a major request for Alliance players.

    Seeing how they're handling the addition of Wildhammer Dwarves and Forest Trolls/Sand Trolls/Dark Trolls etc it's clear they see these minor differences as customizations worth implementing but not being beholden to having to also explain why they're there. Players will do that.

    In that same vein, High Elf fans want to be able to play their version of what a "Wildhammer Dwarf" or "Forest Troll" is and be able to come up with their own reasons. The only way this will work is if the option is available in some way on the Alliance.

    Whatever customizations come to Blood Elves does nothing for the High Elf request, because the High Elf request itself is about the Alliance faction - not the Horde faction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurluas View Post
    it's Blood elves 2.0 in the Alliance.

    A compromise would have been High elves turning to nature, or being altered by Arcane magic or something.
    And yes, High elves, the actual Silver covenant, not some Blood elf exiles.
    Exactly. It shows how much they missed the mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Honestly I still don't get why void elves are former blood elves instead of former high elves. If you ask me, they should've been a group of high elves who followed Alleria and were turned with her into void elves. It would've made things so much easier.
    It wouldn't make sense for High Elves to seek the Void, which is at least as corruptive as the Fel, really.

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    My original idea for void elves is that they were a group of Allerian Expedition that got stranded with Alleria. Then an incident happened and they all got turned into void elves. That'd make things a lot more emotional too, because they weren't seeking shadowy powers and got turned into corrupted elves (the worst dream of a high elf).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uthan View Post
    Generally I would agree, but when what one developer states (even be it the game director himself) is completely contrary to what is shown in the actual game by the other developers, it feels more like a personal opinion than an official company-wide stance.
    As long as the game keeps portraying Blood Elves and High Elves as different things I'll take the stance of the developers actually in charge of blood/high elf story/content over a snarky response to a question in a Q&A. Actions speak louder than words imo. Or maybe they've been changing their minds back and forth and that's why things seem so contradictory, they should probably clarify things if so.
    Which is itself a subjective viewpoint. Your argument hinges on this idea that Blood Elves and High Elves are distinct groups. Which they are. Politically distinct. In the same fashion, the Scarlet Crusade and the Defias Brotherhood are politically distinct groups of humans portrayed with unique ideologies and command structures.

    Does their existence and non playable status mean Humans aren't playable? Is there a need for these groups to be made playable so that players can finally have the true Human gameplay experience? Does the fact they aren't playable mean that any developer who states Humans are playable and a core race of the Alliance should be disregarded as having 'only stated their opinion?'.

    Blood Elves are High Elves and so High Elves are playable. Some high elves, a very tiny group, didn't go along with the majority of their race but that doesn't mean the end result is that high elves aren't playable, in just means high elves who aren't blood elves aren't playable. Humans who aren't Scarlet Crusade aren't playable either.
    The political difference was highlighted by Ion. It's also become increasingly pushed to the forefront of pro high elf rhetoric as the whole 'Blood Elves have green eyes, High Elves have blue eyes' argument began to crumble. Yet it isn't enough. Story isn't enough to overcome the importance of maintaining distinct factions.

    Nor is the occasional use of this group for story purposes weighed with any significant meaning beyond that use. If their presence makes sense within a particular story then they should be utilised, though given their clear replacement by the Void Elves as the obvious foil for the Blood Elves I expect such instances to decline.
    And no, they haven't changed their minds. The body of commentary established on this topic stretches back a decade and a half now (a fifth of an average human lifespan). This is actually one of the topics they have been the most consistent on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pennem View Post
    I'm not sure why you're accusing others of things when it's plain to see moderation happening in this thread. If there's problem posts then report it.
    Well thank you very much for such a polite reply.
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