Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Obelisk Kai]

Good lord you are disingenuous. You know damn well that alliance players are asking for silver covenant based on the years before bfa. Nobody gives a fig for the trainwreck of lore that is bfa. Now explain why horde is allowed to have purple night elves instead of them being made flesh colored I'll wait.

The Horde didn't have an ongoing multi year campaign begging for a duplicate of a Horde race for one thing. My educated guess was that they knew they were going to give the Alliance some kind of high elf subrace in the subrace system for the post Legion expansion and they seeded Nightborne to justify why the Horde would have that. And then they decided they couldn't give the Alliance a duplicate of a Horde race so they made them a variant as well.

Yet horde received a night elf model without skin color change ... wait antis don't like to talk about that.

Which we got at the same time as the Alliance received a high elf model with a skin colour change. What's your point? You got a variant of a Horde race, we got a variant of an Alliance race. You will note Nightborne are NOT the same as Night Elves, just as Void Elves aren't the same as Blood Elves.

[Maxilian]

Saw this new mount, and first though: "Hey, an HD version of the HE Unicorn mount!"

[FlubberPuddy]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=312240/...le-and-strings

"Your people, the blood elves, have persevered through tragedy and betrayal. You toil to ensure Azeroth never endures such suffering again"

They changed a bit of the race intro descriptions. Solidifying Blood Elves as Blood Elves.

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Saw this new mount, and first though: "Hey, an HD version of the HE Unicorn mount!"

Is it new? Isn't that the one from getting 100 reputations to exalted?

https://www.wowhead.com/news=286914/...ser-grats-to-a

Nvm looks like that one has a harness.

[Phaelia]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=312240/...le-and-strings

"Your people, the blood elves, have persevered through tragedy and betrayal. You toil to ensure Azeroth never endures such suffering again"

They changed a bit of the race intro descriptions. Solidifying Blood Elves as Blood Elves.

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Is it new? Isn't that the one from getting 100 reputations to exalted?

https://www.wowhead.com/news=286914/...ser-grats-to-a

Nvm looks like that one has a harness.

You’re being disingenuous with that remark. The change isn’t that different, as they were called Blood Elves in the changed quote as well. Your point would have been better had it removed a mention of being High Elves. Nice try though.

You left the comforts of Silvermoon City to find power and greatness within Azeroth, like many blood elves before your people, the blood elves, have persevered through tragedy and betrayal. You toil to ensure Azeroth never endures such suffering again

Edit: also I’d like to point out they are painting Blood Elves as heroic and noble, not malicious malcontents that some people in this thread have painted them out to be.

[FlubberPuddy]

You’re being disingenuous with that remark. The change isn’t that different, as they were called Blood Elves in the changed quote as well. Your point would have been better had it removed a mention of being High Elves. Nice try though.

Edit: also I’d like to point out they are painting Blood Elves as heroic and noble, not malicious malcontents that some people in this thread have painted them out to be.

The grey font means it's deleted, white means it didn't change, and green means it got added. Your edited quote is incorrect.

To your Edit: They're also pointing out Undead now as wanting to defending the living who shun them. I'm sure that's exactly what Undead players have always wanted .

[Phaelia]

The grey font means it's deleted, white means it didn't change, and green means it got added. Your edited quote is incorrect.

I’m aware that the edited quote is deleted. I’m pointing out that it isn’t much different than what they changed it to.

[FlubberPuddy]

Btw it's alpha and nothing is final till we see it in. I'm just sharing developments.

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I’m aware that the edited quote is deleted. I’m pointing out that it isn’t much different than what they changed it to.

All I pointed out is the emphasis is on being a Blood Elf.

[Ardenaso]

The SC was created as an opposition to the Sunreavers who rejoined Dalaran (ie not an Alliance city). No, Varessa wishes to bring back Quel'thalas to the Alliance. If I'm wrong then please quote the SC NPCs who state this.

Yvera Dawning and Frostfencer Seraphi do not appear to be a part of the SC. The 7th legion battlemages (all 2? of them) are representing the 7th legion. The high elf ballistae are not even manned by high elves. There are no high elven forces in the Siege of Org 2.0. Where are the forces of the SC? No where to be found. According to the pro side, the SC is a "large" group... so where is this "large" group in the war? I can't see them. I see plenty of void elves participating in the war though.

I care about blurring faction lines, so does Blizzard. Alteraci humans would blur faction lines so I highly doubt they'll ever be a thing on the Horde (nor would I want them to be as humans are a key part of the Alliance, not the Horde).

I thought I was trying to make it clear that High Elves are still relevant still in BFA and they aren't limited to the SC?

Also, why not? Alterac was with the Horde on the Second War and I consider them to be the original pretty face of the Horde. I even heard Thrall had some human spies themselves against the Alliance (lemme find the citation though). I doubt there would be yet another faction conflict (let's hope Tyrande, Genn, Talanji doesn't do anything stupid) so some rogue Humans should be welcomed on the Horde at this point. Feel free to critique my suggestion in the link on my signature.

[FossilFree]

I thought I was trying to make it clear that High Elves are still relevant still in BFA and they aren't limited to the SC?

Also, why not? Alterac was with the Horde on the Second War and I consider them to be the original pretty face of the Horde. I even heard Thrall had some human spies themselves against the Alliance (lemme find the citation though). I doubt there would be yet another faction conflict (let's hope Tyrande, Genn, Talanji doesn't do anything stupid) so some rogue Humans should be welcomed on the Horde at this point. Feel free to critique my suggestion in the link on my signature.

Alteraci actually make wayyy more sense than forsaken to be on the Horde. Forsaken are undead Lordaeron humans that were at war with the Horde prior to death. Alteraci were their allies.

I don't think they thought the lore through very well when choosing the Horde races. Blood elves allied with trolls? Lordaeron humans allied with orcs? Nightborne fighting their family members?

[Aldo Hawk]

Alteraci actually make wayyy more sense than forsaken to be on the Horde. Forsaken are undead Lordaeron humans that were at war with the Horde prior to death. Alteraci were their allies.

I don't think they thought the lore through very well when choosing the Horde races. Blood elves allied with trolls? Lordaeron humans allied with orcs? Nightborne fighting their family members?

I think it's more a problem of the narrative feeling plain and simple, as if there is no actual depth to it even if there is.

[Manariel]

You’re being disingenuous with that remark. The change isn’t that different, as they were called Blood Elves in the changed quote as well. Your point would have been better had it removed a mention of being High Elves. Nice try though.



Edit: also I’d like to point out they are painting Blood Elves as heroic and noble, not malicious malcontents that some people in this thread have painted them out to be.

They are also painting Forsaken as protector of the living. So they can well tell us that the Blood Elves are heroics and noble, but we all know that it isn't the case at all.

[Phaelia]

They are also painting Forsaken as protector of the living. So they can well tell us that the Blood Elves are heroics and noble, but we all know that it isn't the case at all.

Yeah in your headcanon world they would be.

[Manariel]

Yeah in your headcanon world they would be.

Do the quests in Quel'thalas to see how haughty, corrupt and decadent they are. Then do the quests in Suramar and watch the Nightborn recruitment scenario to see how Liandrin lies to Thalyssra about the Blood and Night Elves history.

Blood elves are decadent, vile and unprincipled tunrcoats. Plain and simple.

[Phaelia]

Do the quests in Quel'thalas to see how haughty, corrupt and decadent they are. Then do the quests in Suramar and watch the Nightborn recruitment scenario to see how Liandrin lies to Thalyssra about the Blood and Night Elves history.

Blood elves are decadent, vile and unprincipled tunrcoats. Plain and simple.

I am respectfully choosing to end any pointless discussion we’d have on this subject because you and I will never agree.

[Obelisk Kai]

I’m aware that the edited quote is deleted. I’m pointing out that it isn’t much different than what they changed it to.

We get the implicit argument, 'They've deleted a reference to High Elves being Blood Elves!'. For a community desperate to find any support for their rationale that Blood Elves and High Elves are different, this seemingly counts as the closest thing to a win.

But the real reason for this change has nothing to do with this debate. They are going with a minimalist UI design for the new character creator. The current blurb for the Blood Elves, which acknowledges that they are high elves, is substantially longer than the blurb which is replacing it. As they've pared down these dialogues to the bare minimum a lot of information has been cut. That doesn't mean the cut information is no longer canon.

After all, the new blurb 'Your people, the blood elves, have persevered through tragedy and betrayal. You toil to ensure Azeroth never endures such suffering again' doesn't make reference to Quel'thalas whereas the original blurb did. Based on the seeming logic that what is removed no longer counts, I presume therefore the Blood Elves are no longer from Quel'thalas. On the other hand, if that conclusion comes across as ridiculous, perhaps what is not said is still true, and that when they pared back all the dialogue in the blurbs they were trying to impart only a taste of what race is as briefly as possible, because the whole vibe of the new creator is minimalist.

In other words, nothing to see here.

[Maxilian]

Do the quests in Quel'thalas to see how haughty, corrupt and decadent they are. Then do the quests in Suramar and watch the Nightborn recruitment scenario to see how Liandrin lies to Thalyssra about the Blood and Night Elves history.

Blood elves are decadent, vile and unprincipled tunrcoats. Plain and simple.

Wait... That's an exageration, is true that there are some bad apples in Quel'thalas questlines, but most quest are quite nice and are just a group of people trying to fix up their homelands, heck... even when they send you to kill treants and some of the animals, they see it as a shame but something that most be done.

[Manariel]

Wait... That's an exageration, is true that there are some bad apples in Quel'thalas questlines, but most quest are quite nice and are just a group of people trying to fix up their homelands, heck... even when they send you to kill treants and some of the animals, they see it as a shame but something that most be done.

I hate the Quel'thalas questing experience. I've tried it half a dozen times since I started playing, way back in TBC. And I always hated it because everything screamed at how corrupt and decadent the Blood Elves are. I never managed to finish the Ghostlands because I hate Blood Elves. And yet, I love the High Elves, because they are fundamentaly different from their former kin.

"Oh noes, the animals and plants we enchanted to act in a certain way don't anymore! Go kill them."

"Oh noes, I need to snuff some magical stuff but not too much or I'll turn into a Wretched - by the way, go kill those junkies, they done fucked up anyways."

It really is an horrible gaming experience, only topped by the pre-Cata Forsaken one (at elast the current one is polished and doesn't hide the fact that the Forsaken are monsters).

[Maxilian]

I hate the Quel'thalas questing experience. I've tried it half a dozen times since I started playing, way back in TBC. And I always hated it because everything screamed at how corrupt and decadent the Blood Elves are. I never managed to finish the Ghostlands because I hate Blood Elves. And yet, I love the High Elves, because they are fundamentaly different from their former kin.

"Oh noes, the animals and plants we enchanted to act in a certain way don't anymore! Go kill them."

"Oh noes, I need to snuff some magical stuff but not too much or I'll turn into a Wretched - by the way, go kill those junkies, they done fucked up anyways."

It really is an horrible gaming experience, only topped by the pre-Cata Forsaken one (at elast the current one is polished and doesn't hide the fact that the Forsaken are monsters).

Well is that how you saw it.

I mean, i have always mained Blood elf, and the Quelthalas starting zone is basically showing how a great magic empire went down to ruin and now have to clean up everything by themselves.

It shows how they created their city and molded their surroundings with magic, yes, now we gotta kill plants and animals that went on a rampage because of the destruction of the Sunwell, but the idea of killing animals and plants that go on rampage is not an alien thing, heck... the Draneai and NE end up doing that too to the Furbolg, that are at least intelligent creatures, but is still justified cause they literally had no other option.

And... well, yeah the whole addition of magic was their main problem prior the Sunwell restoration, and i guess if you dislike the whole idea of killing the Wretched, then i assume you also disliked the whole Nightborne storyline where you had to kill a lot of NB that were also lost to addiction.

I do agree, that is questionable that noone seems to try to help the Wretched in any way, but most of them are completely lost (and even actively hunt down other BE, making them a real problem)

[FlubberPuddy]

And so it finally comes to pass, the thinly veiled facade is dropped: https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...ves-pls/141970

OP literally asking for Void Elf beards/hairstyles and for Blood Elves to get customization to look 'like Alleria' lol

On top of that after the blue posted pretty much Void Elf players and Blood Elf players just went to town on saying essentially 'we want what the other Thalassian variant already has'

I'm glad to see it. As long as that respect is given to both sides by Blizzard

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Now someone can't really point fingers like 'yall just want Blood Elf customization, trying to take it from us!' when an OP is literally doing the reverse with Void Elves, wanting to look like their Leader and wanting their customization options.

[Manariel]

Well is that how you saw it.

I mean, i have always mained Blood elf, and the Quelthalas starting zone is basically showing how a great magic empire went down to ruin and now have to clean up everything by themselves.

It shows how they created their city and molded their surroundings with magic, yes, now we gotta kill plants and animals that went on a rampage because of the destruction of the Sunwell, but the idea of killing animals and plants that go on rampage is not an alien thing, heck... the Draneai and NE end up doing that too to the Furbolg, that are at least intelligent creatures, but is still justified cause they literally had no other option.

And... well, yeah the whole addition of magic was their main problem prior the Sunwell restoration, and i guess if you dislike the whole idea of killing the Wretched, then i assume you also disliked the whole Nightborne storyline where you had to kill a lot of NB that were also lost to addiction.

I do agree, that is questionable that noone seems to try to help the Wretched in any way, but most of them are completely lost (and even actively hunt down other BE, making them a real problem)

Suramar is the worst zone in WoW for me. Period. So, yeah, I pretty much hated everything there...