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    Quote Originally Posted by elbleuet View Post
    Your behaviour on this thread is the issue of a lot of people apparently.

    I express a legitimate point of view similarly held by many others. I am sure it would be much more convenient for those who want this if there was no opposition, if their desire was applauded from every angle, but that is not the case. Similarly, it seems that if the purity of the argument doesn't win any over the opposition, if people aren't convinced by the sheer absolute need for playable High Elves, then they are labelled 'toxic' for not seeing the light.

    So long as this argument persists and what I consider essential, the maintenance of two distinct factions comprised of unique races that are part of parcel of those factions, is attacked by commentators here, then I will put my word in.



    Quote Originally Posted by elbleuet View Post
    Then I suggest you to read Day of the Dragon, and do the Purge of Dalaran questline.
    Both of which I have done. I have a copy of Day of the Dragon. I would be very surprised to learn of a Blood Elf upset to be called a High Elf in that book, considering it is set well before the Third War and the Scourge invasion which precipitated the renaming.

    As for the Purge of Dalaran I have done the questline on both my Horde and Alliance characters. I don't recall anytime a Blood Elf objected to being called a High Elf. If you could provide the quest wherein this happens, it can be validated on wowpedia or wowhead.




    Quote Originally Posted by elbleuet View Post
    They're also present in Stromgarde, Outland, Stormwind, Kul'Tiras, the Hinterlands, off the coast of Theramore, Wintergarde Keep, the Ghostlands, the Borean Tundra, the Farstriders Lodge in Loch Modan and in various places in Kalimdor.
    In most of those cases, there are literally one only a handful of them about. So handfuls of high elves, scattered across the world.



    Quote Originally Posted by elbleuet View Post
    Oh you mean just like the blood elves who didn't bother sending their own troops during the 3 main battles of the Fourth war ?
    Blood Elf participation in the fourth war was seeing during the War of Thorns.

    https://wow.gamepedia.com/Sin%27dorei_Vanguard

    Blood Elves were present during the Siege of Undercity, led by Lor'themar Theron.

    A Blood Elf was a boss in the Alliance version of the Battle of Dazar'alor.

    Blood Elf NPCs could be recruited for the mission table and were sent off to participate in the war.

    Blood Elves were present in the fleet dispatched to Nazjatar.

    Blood Elf forces led by Lady Liadrin regularly participated in the Arathi Warfront.

    A Blood Elf Paladin was tragically killed defending an aid convoy being transported to Darkshore.

    Blood Elves were present during the incursion of Lady Jaina into Orgrimmar in an attempt to liberate Baine.

    However, even though I have justified a part of their efforts, justification is unneccessary. As a major power within the Horde, the Blood Elves were clearly there. It is the exiles who were absent. As the exiles are near dead and are not a distinct part of the Alliance, nobody expected them to be there. It is only those who claim the exiles are a strong, important part of the Alliance (one user has even go so far as to say they are the core of the Alliance) who must justify their absence and square it with the claim that the exiles are important



    Quote Originally Posted by elbleuet View Post
    I told you countless times I considered the blood elves and the high elves to be part of the same race. Are you practicing a selective read?
    Are you? You keep quoting a mysterious in game source who argues Blood Elves don't like being referred to as High Elves. The only person who ever said that was a High Elf who didn't like being thought of as a Blood Elf, and her objection was based on practices that have since ceased.

    As they are the same race, and as the philosophical dispute is resolved, all that is left is political contention.



    Quote Originally Posted by elbleuet View Post
    Or you can also refer to the facts. That's just what I said actually. So the Alliance has also blood elves in her ranks.
    Whose purpose is merely to facilitate roleplaying and nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primlight View Post
    I'm sorry but.. those don't look the same?
    BIG ASS YIKES DUDE! Selective reading and selective quoting at it's finest! Are you Obelisk 2.0?
    Quote Originally Posted by Pennem View Post
    Notice how similar they look, the data-mined one just lacks glow effect.
    ^ From the same post, funny how it's missing in your response! Then there's also the post after my first reaction to the news elbleuet brought
    Quote Originally Posted by Pennem View Post
    Could Blizzard always create Blue Eyes for Blood Elves? Yeah they still can, as well as red or purple or any color.

    We're still pretty early into character customizations and as we're seeing the type of customizations with humans -> there's still way more and more different customizations to come.

    So fret not people that wish for blue eyes on Blood Elves (or red or purple or etc)
    Seems like people are trying to push onto me that my stance is "no BlUe EYes fOr BlOOd ELVeS" when that's never been my stance at all.

    What I am trying to push is against this notion that VERY MANY High Elf antagonists have which is "If Blue Eyes come to Blood Elves then the High Elf request is dead in the water!!"

    It's very easily seen whenever things like the DK eye change happened, people posting 'lul there's high elves now bb alliance!' and with the wowhead datamining post too where there's several comments of people talking about 'omg there goes high elfers last hope' etc etc. Even though Stiven (literal wowhead dataminer yet gets brushed under the rug) himself as he was gathering the photos said he's not sure if those eye colors are for Blood Elves.

    And you can very easily see the people who get very defensive by just the mention of more blue eyes coming to Void Elves, taking it to mean as if blue eyes won't come to Blood Elves.

    People gotta chill, the main thing is what one side gets isn't cutting out the availability from the other. People are already asking for Void Elf customizations to go Blood Elves and vice versa lol. So everyone's already asking for what the other has.

    Just because currently the blue eye textures match up with Void Elves, doesn't mean Blood Elves won't get their own blue eye textures!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    Individual members of a species can live quite lengthy time periods. A Galapagos turtle has a lifespan of what, nearly a hundred years?

    They are nearly extinct though, or 'nearly-dead'.

    Very few exiles are alive, but the emphasis is on 'very few' rather than 'alive'.
    Real life examples don't work because real life, unlike works of fiction, cannot be "expanded upon" or "retcon-ed" by a few strokes of a pen or a few key presses on a keyboard.

    Blizzard has expanded on the high elves (not the blood elves) in Wrath with the creation of the Silver Covenant. And they can do so again, becauase they have done so in the past. More than once. "Oh, did we say that the high elves are a near-extinct race in the past? Oh, oops. Oopsie! Well, not anymore!" Blizzard "retconing" things is nothing new, because they have done so in the past. More than once: the playable draenei were retconed into existence. The playable worgen was retconed into existence. The Wandering Isle was retconed into existence (A GIGANTIC turtle as big as a sizable island roaming the seas and no sailor in all those many, many years has ever spotted it? Really?).

    They used what? Two named high elves in BFA? One of whom just opened portals.
    If you don't care to look, of course you won't find any. Oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    As Blood Elves are High Elves
    But not all high elves are blood elves.

    Understand this, Kai: when we say "high elves" here, we're talking about the group of Thalassian elves THE GAME AND LORE identify as "high elves". That means we are not talking about the "blood elves". And you know this. Yet, despite the race already having an appropriate name (Thalassian elves) you insist on calling the whole race "high elves", in what I can only understand as a clear intention to muddle the conversation by playing word games.
    "Torturing someone is not an evil thing to do if it is done for good reasons" by Varodoc
    "You sit in OG/SW waiting on a Mythic+ queue" by Altmer <- Oh, the pearls in this forum...
    "They sort of did this Dragonriding, which ushered in the Dracthyr race." by Teriz <- the BS some people reach for their narratives...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    A Blood Elf Paladin was tragically killed defending an aid convoy being transported to Darkshore.
    More like hilariously, people even memed the image for a bit lol



    LOL still funny today!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    Because it never hurts to remind certain people that what they are asking for is already there.
    Except... you cannot "remind certain people what they're asking for is already there" when what is being asked is clearly not available yet.
    "Torturing someone is not an evil thing to do if it is done for good reasons" by Varodoc
    "You sit in OG/SW waiting on a Mythic+ queue" by Altmer <- Oh, the pearls in this forum...
    "They sort of did this Dragonriding, which ushered in the Dracthyr race." by Teriz <- the BS some people reach for their narratives...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    Understand this, Kai: when we say "high elves" here, we're talking about the group of Thalassian elves THE GAME AND LORE identify as "high elves". That means we are not talking about the "blood elves". And you know this. Yet, despite the race already having an appropriate name (Thalassian elves) you insist on calling the whole race "high elves", in what I can only understand as a clear intention to muddle the conversation by playing word games.
    It's why we've seen multiple times in this thread when people just post a statement like 'lul go play blood elves they're already there' or 'lul why this thread alive high elves exist: blood elves' they get hit with the infraction bat.

    Even mods know when someone is being intentionally obtuse

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    At this point all arguments pro and anti high elves have been repeated like dozens of times. This thread has 800+ pages, after all.
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    Legion > Cataclysm > MoP > BfA up to 8.2.5 > Wrath > TBC > WoD > Dragonflight > BfA 8.3 > Shadowlands

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    At this point all arguments pro and anti high elves have been repeated like dozens of times. This thread has 800+ pages, after all.
    Yup, I believe we've even had mod step in a few times to say regurgitating the same line over and over isn't having a real discussion, which Obelisk even acknowledged at the time.

    Ofc it was maybe a couple hundred pages back so maybe people forgot about it already.

    Frankly we all know who are also the main frequenters of these threads so to say to each other the same points that have already been brought up numerously is in my opinion clearly just trying to antagonize or troll the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uthan View Post
    Maybe the mind control spells the Blood Elf leadership used to keep people from going back to the Alliance are wearing off finally ;P
    Yes I'd like to see Ennas and Lyria come back as Void Elves

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    At this point all arguments pro and anti high elves have been repeated like dozens of times. This thread has 800+ pages, after all.
    Wasn't the point of this thread to simply pool all the ideas and ask more questions about anything High Elves in general? I recall seeing here that a mod or the op at least agrees or says that anti-helfers and naysayers should stop being killjoys already
    The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    Yes I'd like to see Ennas and Lyria come back as Void Elves

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    Wasn't the point of this thread to simply pool all the ideas and ask more questions about anything High Elves in general? I recall seeing here that a mod or the op at least agrees or says that anti-helfers and naysayers should stop being killjoys already
    This just seems like you don't believe anyone who disagrees with the idea of alliance getting playable high elves should be allowed to post here. Are you suggesting that the moderator believes that and stated so?
    Blood Elves are High Elves!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starla View Post
    This just seems like you don't believe anyone who disagrees with the idea of alliance getting playable high elves should be allowed to post here. Are you suggesting that the moderator believes that and stated so?
    I mean even as an anti helfer it's getting old and futile already
    The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!

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    New Mechagnome Customization Options in the Shadowlands Alpha.

    https://warcraft.blizzplanet.com/blo...dowlands-alpha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchvince View Post
    New Mechagnome Customization Options in the Shadowlands Alpha.

    https://warcraft.blizzplanet.com/blo...dowlands-alpha
    So with this there's a small chunk of AR getting some additional options. And what's not surprising is so far it's all the AR that use the same model as their core race counterpart.

    1) There was the new Mag'har eyes datamined, probably because eye color choice is being separated from face. Oh look so because Green Orcs are getting worked on, they did something for the Mag'har.

    2) There is already confirmation that because Draenei are getting tail length customization, so too will LF Draenei. Another same model pair.

    3) These mechagnome tweaks here. Who carry the same model as Gnomes. Goggle changes because of the separation of face choice and eye choice.

    4) And ofc the datamined set of Blood Elf and Void Elf eye colors. Because again, BE and VE share the same exact model.

    Thus adding more evidence to what I've been saying: When Blizzard does work on races, if there's relatable work to another race that can be done they'll incorporate that in as well.

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    High elf is already a playable race in game. It's called Blood Elf. Deal with it peasent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obelisk Kai View Post
    Because it never hurts to remind certain people that what they are asking for is already there.
    Great. We’re at that point in the cycle where they’re willfully ignorant about Warcraft simply because they think it’ll win them the conversation. Or maybe Obelisk isn’t pretending. Either way: sad.

    High Elves aren’t already there as a playable race. If they were then people would not keep asking for over 15 years, now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pennem View Post
    So with this there's a small chunk of AR getting some additional options. And what's not surprising is so far it's all the AR that use the same model as their core race counterpart.

    1) There was the new Mag'har eyes datamined, probably because eye color choice is being separated from face. Oh look so because Green Orcs are getting worked on, they did something for the Mag'har.

    2) There is already confirmation that because Draenei are getting tail length customization, so too will LF Draenei. Another same model pair.

    3) These mechagnome tweaks here. Who carry the same model as Gnomes. Goggle changes because of the separation of face choice and eye choice.

    4) And ofc the datamined set of Blood Elf and Void Elf eye colors. Because again, BE and VE share the same exact model.

    Thus adding more evidence to what I've been saying: When Blizzard does work on races, if there's relatable work to another race that can be done they'll incorporate that in as well.
    Allied races also need more customizations, to improve them and increase the choice of options which are very poor for some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frenchvince View Post
    Allied races also need more customizations, to improve them and increase the choice of options which are very poor for some.
    Yup, and that's what I said immediately after increased customizations were revealed.

    People were already complaining when ARs came out in Legion (the first 4) that there was a lack of options among them. The increased customizations just push it further.

    And I'm highly sure Blizzard isn't going to be like 'AR have limited customization DEAL WITH IT!' as that's basically treating players who have chosen AR as their main character identity like 2nd class citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pennem View Post
    Yup, and that's what I said immediately after increased customizations were revealed.

    People were already complaining when ARs came out in Legion (the first 4) that there was a lack of options among them. The increased customizations just push it further.

    And I'm highly sure Blizzard isn't going to be like 'AR have limited customization DEAL WITH IT!' as that's basically treating players who have chosen AR as their main character identity like 2nd class citizens.
    Some of them could receive, in the same way as dwarves / trolls, "parent race" options from their own faction:

    - highmountain tauren : taunka (perhaps for the tauren, nothing has yet been revealed for them)

    - mag'har orc : dragonmaw (the green orc did not receive it)

    - Void elf : high elf (big request)

    - darkiron dwarf : frostborn (fire / ice why not)

    - Kul Tiran : asian / afro (they are also humans)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pennem View Post
    It's why we've seen multiple times in this thread when people just post a statement like 'lul go play blood elves they're already there' or 'lul why this thread alive high elves exist: blood elves' they get hit with the infraction bat.

    Even mods know when someone is being intentionally obtuse
    Yeah, and some of them (well, actually someone) have recognised to inflate their posts to evade such infractions for throwing taunting messages that serve any purpose but being constructive and understanding.

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    How and why is this thread still alive ? High Elves are Blood Elves .

    Infract me , i don't really care , i speak the truth .

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