Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Obelisk Kai]

He also said that character customization is an ongoing process and will never end and that they want to get as many options out there for people.

Since High Elves on Alliance is a look people want, and with confirmation no Blue Eye Blood Elves as that doesn't make sense. It means that the Thalassian model available to Alliance, Void Elves, can one day potentially get High Elf customization.

You may still be a 'Void Elf' but there's no lore that says they cannot refine the process in the future so that people can look like Alleria.

Again, seeing as Ion confirms character customization will come to AR, and that essentially there's never a 'final pass' this means eventually (just as Ion said 'It's possible, but no plans in the near term) High Elves can become a playable option for Alliance.

Ion's statements today backs up what that High Elf fan asked him at Blizzcon: Just because they're not in right now doesn't mean High Elves won't ever be in WoW.

No, what he said was that for reasons of lore Blood Elves will not be getting blue eyes.

What you have argued is that Void Elves should get normal skin tones because they are a popular request.

Blue eyes for Blood Elves were denied because they contravened their lore. It was a VERY popular request. So your argument, which you made as recently as a few hours ago, that demand alone is a factor in their considerations, has been proven incorrect. Lore matters and lore trumped demand.

Normal skin tones for Void Elves contravenes the lore behind Void Elves. If they deny something as small as blue eyes for Blood Elves, demolishing the far bigger aesthetic difference between Void Elves and Blood Elves, which is a far bigger thing than eye colour, cannot be considered as a serious prospect.

[Varodoc]

Void elves: Are only dark-skinned, pink skin doesn't make sense for them, that is just out of reach.

Also void elves: Have this as leader



Obelisk Kai's logic y'all.

[FlubberPuddy]

No, what he said was that for reasons of lore Blood Elves will not be getting blue eyes.

What you have argued is that Void Elves should get normal skin tones because they are a popular request.

Blue eyes for Blood Elves were denied because they contravened their lore. It was a VERY popular request. So your argument, which you made as recently as a few hours ago, that demand alone is a factor in their considerations, has been proven incorrect. Lore matters and lore trumped demand.

Normal skin tones for Void Elves contravenes the lore behind Void Elves. If they deny something as small as blue eyes for Blood Elves, demolishing the far bigger aesthetic difference between Void Elves and Blood Elves, which is a far bigger thing than eye colour, cannot be considered as a serious prospect.

Sure buddy, think whatever you want. High Elf fans have even more reinforcement to continue asking for High Elves to be playable now.

[elbleuet]

Sure buddy, think whatever you want. High Elf fans have even more reinforcement to continue asking for High Elves to be playable now.

Today is a nice day

[Sharby]

BIG WIN here is High Elf fans don't need to put up with the 'BLUE EYES ARE FOR BLOOD ELVES IT MAKES SENSE' crowd anymore. Thank fucken goodness.

See its literally like I've been saying.


Now the anti's look so foolish claiming that blue eyes are the only separation which in turn makes them Blood Elves.



Idk how I'd even be able to argue with a straight face after a blow like that to one of my main arguments.

[Obelisk Kai]

How can you even say that now?
You kept on repeating the same thing since weeks : that blue-eyed blood elves were a high probability by denying the obvious.
You fooled yourself. And you were wrong from the beginning.
Blue-eyed blood elves were never an option since the only blue-eyed thalassian elves will always be the High elves. It's been that way since 15 years and things are not gonna change.

I don't say we'll eventually get the high elf costumization options. But at least the hope is permitted.

Blue eyes for Blood Elves did make sense according to an incorrect interpretation of the lore, but one that made sense. That has now been debunked. But the implications of why blue eyes are not coming should worry you. They are not coming, despite being a 'popular' request, because lore stops it.

The goal for a high elf option on Void Elves is reliant on new lore to justify it. Such new lore, or the interpretation put forth in support of blue eyes for Blood Elves, could easily have been supplied. That was not forthcoming. A high elf option on Void Elves is a far, far bigger ask because it contravenes the reasons Void Elves were allowed, namely that they don't infringe on the thematic and aesthetic idenity of a core Horde race.

If they won't do blue eyes for Blood Elves, then you are fooling yourself now to think there is a possibility they will turn around and give the Void Elves high elf like skins.

[Uthan]

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Normal skin tones for Void Elves contravenes the lore behind Void Elves. If they deny something as small as blue eyes for Blood Elves, demolishing the far bigger aesthetic difference between Void Elves and Blood Elves, which is a far bigger thing than eye colour, cannot be considered as a serious prospect.

As much as I'd like that to be true (as I'd rather not have fair skinned Void Elves and rather wait til they one day make the High Elves already in game playable), Alleria kinda disproves that whole argument. If there are more Void Elves being made (which would make sense given that there were only a "crack team" of them to begin with and they'd be extinct already if not with how many were sent on suicide missions during BFA), there's no reason they'd end up looking the same as the initial batch, since I doubt they could replicate the exact same circumstances in however they now corrupt more to increase their numbers.

[Obelisk Kai]

BIG WIN here is High Elf fans don't need to put up with the 'BLUE EYES ARE FOR BLOOD ELVES IT MAKES SENSE' crowd anymore. Thank fucken goodness.

You just have to put up with 'Blood Elves are High Elves' and 'the Horde is waiting for you', both of which remain true. Blue eyes are seemingly being kept unique for Void Elves. Fair enough for the Void Elves.

[The Silver Covenant]

It’s pretty obvious based on Blizzard’s historical behavior that blue eyes for Blood Elves almost happened if not for community feedback. Claiming that dataminers misinterpreted the files is one of the company’s standard excuses for changing course mid-development. Good to know that maintaining the character of Warcraft’s Quel’dorei has more overwhelming support than Hordelet fanboy screeching for further destruction of the race and game lore.

[Obelisk Kai]

As much as I'd like that to be true (as I'd rather not have fair skinned Void Elves and rather wait til they one day make the High Elves already in game playable), Alleria kinda disproves that whole argument. If there are more Void Elves being made (which would make sense given that there were only a "crack team" of them to begin with and they'd be extinct already if not with how many were sent on suicide missions during BFA), there's no reason they'd end up looking the same as the initial batch, since I doubt they could replicate the exact same circumstances in however they now corrupt more to increase their numbers.

Once again, Alleria is a unique character who came by her powers through a unique method. Now that they've confirmed lore really matters and that the popularity of a request has no bearing on their decision making method, the chances of them turning around and giving Void Elves blood elf like skin tones, de facto contrary to their lore and obliterating the differentiation between them and the Blood Elves, is practically zero.

Whilst the pro High Elf community celebrates blue eyes being kept unique for Void Elves they seem to have difficulty extrapolating the principle expressed to their own aims regarding Void Elves and drawing the obvious conclusions.

[Varodoc]

Once again, Alleria is a unique character who came by her powers through a unique method. Now that they've confirmed lore really matters and that the popularity of a request has no bearing on their decision making method, the chances of them turning around and giving Void Elves blood elf like skin tones, de facto contrary to their lore and obliterating the differentiation between them and the Blood Elves, is practically zero.

Whilst the pro High Elf community celebrates blue eyes being kept unique for Void Elves they seem to have difficulty extrapolating the principle expressed to their own aims regarding Void Elves and drawing the obvious conclusions.

Here's a 1000iq explanation for pink-skinned void elves:

"After a year of research into the void knowledge kept within Telogrus Rift (an established plot point), Magister Umbric and his kin have learned how to revert back to their high elf forms."

I'll have you know it took me a total of 20 seconds to come up with this and I'm one guy.

[Uthan]

Once again, Alleria is a unique character who came by her powers through a unique method. Now that they've confirmed lore really matters and that the popularity of a request has no bearing on their decision making method, the chances of them turning around and giving Void Elves blood elf like skin tones, de facto contrary to their lore and obliterating the differentiation between them and the Blood Elves, is practically zero.

Whilst the pro High Elf community celebrates blue eyes being kept unique for Void Elves they seem to have difficulty extrapolating the principle expressed to their own aims regarding Void Elves and drawing the obvious conclusions.

The point was that just as Alleria's transformation was a unique event, so was the initial Void Elf transformation, and whatever new method they would have had to develop to corrupt more would be a third unique event, with no lore reasons for it to end up producing the exact same result as either of the other events. But yeah, hopefully the void elves stay blueberries as far as I'm concerned.

[elbleuet]

Blue eyes for Blood Elves did make sense according to an incorrect interpretation of the lore[/U]

At this point that's not an incorrect interpretation. You're just building up your own lore pretending all things from it are "obvious" and "logical" and that's the problem when it comes to share our points of view with you.

The goal for a high elf option on Void Elves is reliant on new lore to justify it. Such new lore, or the interpretation put forth in support of blue eyes for Blood Elves, could easily have been supplied. That was not forthcoming. A high elf option on Void Elves is a far, far bigger ask because it contravenes the reasons Void Elves were allowed, namely that they don't infringe on the thematic and aesthetic idenity of a core Horde race.

If they won't do blue eyes for Blood Elves, then you are fooling yourself now to think there is a possibility they will turn around and give the Void Elves high elf like skins.

We'll see

[united]

Here's a 1000iq explanation for pink-skinned void elves:

"After a year of research into the void knowledge kept within Telogrus Rift (an established plot point), Magister Umbric and his kin have learned how to revert back to their high elf forms."

I'll have you know it took me a total of 20 seconds to come up with this and I'm one guy.

No one can actually argue against this because void elves existing as a race in general was completely out of nowhere. There's no reason why they can't get human colored skin tones with the standards Blizzard's own writers are setting.

[Obelisk Kai]

Here's a 1000iq explanation for pink-skinned void elves:

"After a year of research into the void knowledge kept within Telogrus Rift (an established plot point), Magister Umbric and his kin have learned how to revert back to their high elf forms."

I'll have you know it took me a total of 20 seconds to come up with this and I'm one guy.

The sunwell is part arcane, so Blood Elves should have blue eyes.

Made sense to us as well and was less headcanon-y than your own as we had the precedent of golden eyes being caused by that same Sunwell.

In the end Blizzard didn't want to do it, they could have, there was a ready made rationale people could have gotten behind, but they didn't. So while you can headcanon an excuse as to why they can accomplish something, you haven't actually explained why would they?

Void Elves are purple because of their transformation. Just as Blood Elves 'evolved' away from blue eyes, so Void Elves have 'evolved' away from having human range skin tones. Not to mention that leaving lore aside, the entire reason Void Elves were even permitted to be a thing was that they looked different from Blood Elves because of the purple skin.

[Varodoc]

No one can actually argue against this because void elves existing as a race in general was completely out of nowhere. There's no reason why they can't get human colored skin tones with the standards Blizzard's own writers are setting.

Standards they had way before the void elves were created. In fact, I'd say the entirety of Warlords of Draenor was a far greater lorelol than void elves.

The sunwell is part arcane, so Blood Elves should have blue eyes.

Made sense to us as well and was less headcanon-y than your own as we had the precedent of golden eyes being caused by that same Sunwell.

In the end Blizzard didn't want to do it, they could have, there was a ready made rationale people could have gotten behind, but they didn't. So while you can headcanon an excuse as to why they can accomplish something, you haven't actually explained why would they?

Void Elves are purple because of their transformation. Just as Blood Elves 'evolved' away from blue eyes, so Void Elves have 'evolved' away from having human range skin tones. Not to mention that leaving lore aside, the entire reason Void Elves were even permitted to be a thing was that they looked different from Blood Elves because of the purple skin.

But dear Obelisk, where did Blizz ever say that void elves "evolved away from their human forms"? Are you trying to say that Alleria is actually the one who went through the imperfect transformation? Because she certainly didn't evolve beyond her "human form".

[FlubberPuddy]

See its literally like I've been saying.

Now the anti's look so foolish claiming that blue eyes are the only separation which in turn makes them Blood Elves.

Idk how I'd even be able to argue with a straight face after a blow like that to one of my main arguments.

Yes they do and it's fun to see the scrambling of explanations going on right now.

[Obelisk Kai]

At this point that's not an incorrect interpretation. You're just building up your own lore pretending all things from it are "obvious" and "logical" and that's the problem when it comes to share our points of view with you.





We'll see

I think we just have seen. You are seemingly hoping that the fortitude they showed in resisting a small change such as blue eyes won't count when it comes to something as big as the skin tones they used to differentiate Void Elves from the Blood Elves in the first place.

Nor does this invalidate earlier commentary regarding Blood Elves being the High Elf option in Warcraft.

The likeliest result of this information is

1.)Void Elves retain the blue eye colours and they are unique to them

2.) Blood Elves retain the human range skin tones and they are unique to them.

3.) High Elves are never added as a distinct option for the Alliance.

[FlubberPuddy]

No one can actually argue against this because void elves existing as a race in general was completely out of nowhere. There's no reason why they can't get human colored skin tones with the standards Blizzard's own writers are setting.

I called it so much when I said the big win was getting the Thalassian model on the Alliance side. The biggest hump is over. Now it's far easier to get customization options to open up High Elves on the Alliance.

Ion's statements today opened it up so much more than ever before, along with the general callout from fans of how they'd love to look like their factional leader.

Very easy to create any new explanation for why the looks are obtained.

[Obelisk Kai]

Yes they do and it's fun to see the scrambling of explanations going on right now.

A sense of perspective please. The thrill of being proven right on a long running topic can be fun, but this isn't the same level as 'Blood Elves are High Elves' and 'the Horde is waiting for you' and as I have mentioned, this news should have longer term implications for your goals that should worry you.

The exiles are still pretty certain to never become a distinct allied race in their own right, and Void Elves getting high elf skin tones just became a whole lot less likely. And no, just because you REALLY want Void Elves to have high elf like skin tones doesn't mean they are excluded from the same principle under which Blood Elves didn't get blue eyes.