Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[FlubberPuddy]

Pro HE now

Lol, I honestly think the whole topic of High Elves over on the official forums is what made them see there's a big difference that exists.

This is why I said ever since Ion's Q&A comment, no WoW developer has ever parroted that phrase. Even Ion himself didn't parrot his previous answer, despite him saying in the Q&A that 'blue eyes...sorry the horde is waiting for you' bit.

It appears internally, after they saw what the High Elf community presented, they've never once continued to say High Elf fans should go play Blood Elves.

[Doffen]

The bold is perfect, and I'm glad that you - who stans Blood Elves - can also understand that!

I like all them elves. Added my opinion of them all after you wrote to me!

[FlubberPuddy]

I like all them elves. Added my opinion of them all after you wrote to me!

Noted! I love all elves too, but High Elves are my personal favorite. Night Elves next

[matrix123mko]

I don't want to give you false hope but all datamined races (except tauren) have had their body customization options (body / face tattoos included).
All that is missing is the customization options for the "head", hairstyles, faces, jewelry ect ... humans were the first to have the addition in the new build.

So I don't think the blood elves will have the high-elf farstrider customization option, they received body jewelry instead.

They said that new customisation will come every patch.

Also, I am more of magister fan so I prefer jewelry.

[Ardenaso]

I stand with based Othmar here

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[elbleuet]

So guys what do you think of my new signature?

[Ardenaso]

So guys what do you think of my new signature?

that's nice and all but I'm still hoping Lightbound Orcs get in the Alliance first before the High Elves. Yrel's return is imminent

[Sharby]

So guys what do you think of my new signature?

Omg that's gotta' sting.

[FlubberPuddy]

So guys what do you think of my new signature?

Nice lol. And Ion saying they're for NPC options implicitly means that High Elves are in fact not as influenced by the Sunwell as their Blood Elven brethren.

[ChinaMancer]

I found a nice video which sums up what happened :O

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[Varodoc]

So guys what do you think of my new signature?

I mean you're like 2 years late, cause void elves have been playable since 2018.

[Doffen]

Omg that's gotta' sting.

On the topic of signature, I like yours

I can make my own Baine Fanclub. Wouldn't have the same punch if you had to change it to: "Honorary member of the Baine Fanclub, one of two members really."

[Obelisk Kai]

Omg that's gotta' sting.

Well, no it doesn't because that's not what was said. That's elbleuet quoting elbeluet.

[elbleuet]

I mean you're like 2 years late, cause void elves have been playable since 2018.

Oh really ? I'm pretty much aware of it, since I was the first to speak about them in August 18.

Void elves' eyes are not really blue. Not as blue as the eyes we're getting with the Night elves and the Void elves

[Obelisk Kai]

Nice lol. And Ion saying they're for NPC options implicitly means that High Elves are in fact not as influenced by the Sunwell as their Blood Elven brethren.

He didn't say that, just as plenty of Blood Elves keep their green eyes for the time being, so the few remaining exiles probably retain their blue. But it's all a matter of time in the end.

[Uthan]

No, he said Blood Elves have evolved away from blue eyes, not that they have evolved away from high elves. As Blood Elves are the High Elf option, that means what a High Elf is has been updated.

The exiles who claim the moniker do not have the right to define their race due to their vanishingly low numbers.
Besides, the exiles are hooked up to the same Sunwell turning Blood Elf eyes golden. In time, they too will lose the blue eyes (if any of them remain).

Blue eyes it seems belong to the Void Elves.

You are making a whole heap of assumptions and subjective interpretations as always. By Ion's own words from the interview you love to quote, among the differences that very much do exist between Blood Elves and High Elves a big one is "in terms of their relationship to magic in the Sunwell". While some of the High Elves still make pilgrimages, they're all cut off from it more than the Blood Elves are who can bask in it's energies as much as they like (probably leading to some of them now having gained yellow eyes), whereas others like the elves of Quel'danil have sworn off magic altogether, which might mean they have cut themselves off from the Sunwell or at least somehow limit the effect it would have on them, leaving them unchanged (the Elves of Quil'lithien had a similar mindset if I understand it correctly, though now all but a few turned wretched or dead, but at least 3 survivors are shown in game). Regardless of how one interprets those facts, there's clearly SOME difference between the groups as far as the Sunwell's magic is concerned (as per Ion's words and in-game sources etc), so to just assume they'd be affected the same isn't a logical assumption to make.

(not gonna try to argue against the lack of logic on the first part, but hey, keep telling yourself that ^^)

[FlubberPuddy]

He didn't say that.

Blizzard never stated that Elven eyes change color based on what magic they use as well, but people took a comment on fel eyes for Blood Elves and extrapolated it to come up with headcanon reasoning on why Blood Elves should have blue/purple/red/orange etc you name it eye color. Ion shut all that headcanon down with his comment today.

So excuse me if I exercise the same headcanoning atm, it's not a crime!

[Varodoc]

Oh really ? I'm pretty much aware of it, since I was the first to speak about them in August 18.

Void elves' eyes are not really blue. Not as blue as the eyes we're getting with the Night elves and the Void elves

So you were speaking about them, huh. I assume you are referring to that leak back in Legion about void elves and lightforged draenei. It's been too long.

[FlubberPuddy]

You are making a whole heap of assumptions and subjective interpretations as always. By Ion's own words from the interview you love to quote, among the differences that very much do exist between Blood Elves and High Elves a big one is "in terms of their relationship to magic in the Sunwell". While some of the High Elves still make pilgrimages, they're all cut off from it more than the Blood Elves are who can bask in it's energies as much as they like (probably leading to some of them now having gained yellow eyes), whereas others like the elves of Quel'danil have sworn off magic altogether, which might mean they have cut themselves off from the Sunwell or at least somehow limit the effect it would have on them, leaving them unchanged (the Elves of Quil'lithien had a similar mindset if I understand it correctly, though now all but a few turned wretched or dead, but at least 3 survivors are shown in game). Regardless of how one interprets those facts, there's clearly SOME difference between the groups as far as the Sunwell's magic is concerned (as per Ion's words and in-game sources etc), so to just assume they'd be affected the same isn't a logical assumption to make.

(not gonna try to argue against the lack of logic on the first part, but hey, keep telling yourself that ^^)

Yes you're right. Even back then Ion did mention there's a difference in relationship to the Sunwell between Blood Elves and High Elves. Looks like we see what that difference is.

High Elves aren't reliant on the Sunwell the same way Blood Elves worship it, and this difference is shown visually through High Elven blue eyes and Blood Elves being cut off from those options.

[Obelisk Kai]

The same thing occurred with us hearing about dark skin on Blood Elves. It was from a Twitter post where it said "I heard from a friend on the floor that dark skin Blood Elves are coming" and while it may be datamining still, that appears to have been true.

So what's your point here?

That the dark skin thing was corroborated by multiple races with human range tones getting dark skin options and wasn't just sourced from one random guy on twitter. Dwarves were depicted with those tones in the slides. Besides, that was ultimately verifialbe via the alpha

Like I said, they would never let High Elves get in the way of freshly released Void Elves - the focus was 'hey look at these guys we just came out with'.

As I recall, and continuously remind you, you said that about Ion after he said Blood Elves are High Elves and High Elves are playable on the Horde. Your basic premise is that he was lying. Funny then how quick you are to believe what he said tonight because it was what you wanted to hear. That IS a first class hypocrisy.
Still, the theory remains ridiculous. Nothing that was said tonight materially changes the chances of a distinct high elf allied race i.e. still practically non existant.

And the focus atm now is on the traditional races as Ion said. But he also said character customization isn't ever going to end and is an ongoing process as they want people to have lots of different options to express themselves.

And while it may not be on their priority list right now, High Elf request is going to stay the most stark request until it's granted. It really is just a matter of time now

Yeah, again, you keep saying that but there seems to be a level of cognitive dissonance going on. Tonight proved popularity doesn't matter, lore does. You are unable to reconcile the denial of a popular request for blue eyes on Blood Elves for reasons of lore with your own request for high elf skin tones. Somehow one being denied for reasons of lore despite their popularity makes sense, yet the other which is far more controversial is still possible because of it's popularity.

That is doublethink. The ability to simultaneously hold two ideas at once despite them being mutually contradictory. A principle has been established. The popularity of a request is meaningless. What matters is the lore. If what you want goes against what they deem to be lore, they won't do it. If it involves them having to make up new lore to justify a choice, they won't do it. That is what happened to blue eyes.

It is what will almost certainly happen to your request for the skin tones on Void Elves. They will not write new lore to justify high elf like skin tones on Void Elves. Void Elves will get new options, but remain in their niche. As they should.

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Blizzard never stated that Elven eyes change color based on what magic they use as well, but people took a comment on fel eyes for Blood Elves and extrapolated it to come up with headcanon reasoning on why Blood Elves should have blue/purple/red/orange etc you name it eye color. Ion shut all that headcanon down with his comment today.

So excuse me if I exercise the same headcanoning atm, it's not a crime!

It was a logical extrapolation that came to a logical conclusion. It didn't start with a conclusion and headcanon excuses as to why that conclusion should come to pass. Important distinction.