Indeed, not to mention blue tents/flags/clothes vs red blue tents/flags/clothes etc whenever Blood Elves and High Elves square off. The colours themselves are more important to the faction divide stuff than the thalassian elf model itself which is already shared between factions since TBC, and considering they're hesitant to let Alliance players even play something that's already on their faction I doubt they'd drop their colour divide just like that. Yeah, transmog exists and can make you look like the opposite faction to some extent, but not really the same thing as the standard customisation options.
Can not argue on taste and opinion. For me they are weak like high mountain taurens, but with less lore and more stupid things.
Potential...yes, but they need to change so much that they pretty much become high elves.
yes, did you read what i wrote....warrior does not mean class warrior. It means they can handle themselves in a fight. And do not look/act like weaklings.
But the heart attacks from running into battle might :P
And they look stupid and like they are missing a brain cell or 2. ( male ones) females look more normal.
No and yes.
The problem is with the whole list. They are 1 cool race. and 3 classes. mechagnomes could also happen to other races ( becoming robots) same goes for lightforged and void. So those are not races. And they have little to no story, do not look combat ready. etc etc.
Lets put it this way. Even with the flaws they have ( some big ones) Nightborne, Highmountain and Wakanda for ever all have way more story , ( better armor), look like they can handle themselves in battle and look like they are not made to be a funny race. And all have functional racials....kul tirans have almost non that work on any decent level.
Vulpera are the only funny race. and even they have the potential to be cool.
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You're right, there is no guarantee that they'll receive tattoos. I expect that they will, as it's a part of their culture, but there is also the possibility they won't get them. Time will tell. Though people saying "tattoos are an Alliance thing" are just trolling, as blood elven magisters and farstriders are well known to sport tattoos. The blood elf on the TBC box has tattoos.
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Blood elves are our high elves - Chris Metzen
If this were to happen it would be Blood Elves going back to Alliance rather than the remaining High Elves going to join the Horde. As joining the Horde was one of the major contentions that High Elves had (and still have) with Blood Elves as well. Blizzard even dropping hints of how contentious that was in the Blood Elf city of Silvermoon itself back in TBC. Then there's also the more recent BFA rendition of Magister Umbric telling Alliance players that 'the Alliance are where our people belong' and that him and his cohorts never agreed with the decision of joining the Horde.
You also have the Three Sisters Comic where one of Vereesa's wishes is that Blood Elves will rejoin the Alliance. And in-game we have Alleria who says 'one day Silvermoon will again stand with the Alliance.'
Compare all that, and the Purge and Lor'themar discussing with Varian about moving in, to the one-off moment in Wrath where it's said pilgrimages are allowed (very different from every Thalassian makes a pilgrimage to the Sunwell).
There's far more that's been put in the game to suggest Blood Elves going back to the Alliance than High Elves going to the Horde. If reunification between the two groups were to happen, there's more that's been put in place to suggest them towards being amongst Alliance.
This statement is just blatantly false, and high elfers seem to rely on it as some truth. I can 100% say with confidence that every playable core Alliance race has been given more screen time than alliance high elves. Every core alliance race has been more involved than high elves through out WoW, and how do I know this? A simple search of each races NPCs and quests will show anyone that each playable core Alliance race has significantly more NPCs (named and unnamed) than high elves, offer significantly more quests than high elves (both main story quests and side quests). This claim is so easily debunked, just do a search of NPCs and quests of each alliance race and compare it to high elves... you'll quickly discover how even gnomes, worgen and draenei are given more screentime than alliance high elves. A quick search will also show that Alliance ARs are not far off alliance high elves, yet have only been active within the alliance for one expansion.
Again, false. Search up each Alliance races involvement within the Alliance and you'll quickly learn how vastly more active these races have been than Alliance high elves.
I agree with you here. I personally believe nightborne should have gone to the Alliance and Horde received San'layn or forsaken high elves (ie dark rangers)
Blood elves are our high elves - Chris Metzen
Screentime isn't determined on NPCs but on the level of narrative, especially central narrative, plotlines in which a race gets the splotlight. And here the High Elves just have a higher presence than for example Gnomes or dwarves. They are THE central Alliance presence in Dalaran, the Argent Tournament and during the Quel'delar Questline in Wotlk and in MoP, they are a central presence during the Warplot. Not to forget that even just with the Purge of Dalaran, they got to shine more than Alliance-alligned Night elves ever could. They are pushed into the faces of Alliance players over and over again, so it is natural that they demand them. It is the narrative teams fault. If they had just dropped High Elves immediately from the entire game with Burning Crusade, we wouldn't have this situation to this extend. They are lowering their presence now, but it is just too late.
Dude, I'm playing longer than you to the extent where I can actually remember all the Story Questlines instead of having to google NPCs and I can tell you, High Elves were by far more present than for example Gnomes or Dwarves so far.Again, false. Search up each Alliance races involvement within the Alliance and you'll quickly learn how vastly more active these races have been than Alliance high elves.
Or they could have given them Void Elves, which also would have forced Blizz to creat a more unique and interesting design for them to differenciate them from Blood Elves.I agree with you here. I personally believe nightborne should have gone to the Alliance and Horde received San'layn or forsaken high elves (ie dark rangers)
Wishful thinking. He just said they're for NPCs. He also said in the same response that it's possible to take any assets and textures and apply them to different models. So for all we know, these blue eyes might be applied to other race NPCs. For instance we see Worgen and undead with new glowing eye colors, so there's a good chance that the different blue eye shades are for a variety of races and not just elves.
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Gnomes:
- Have their own hub in Ironforge (an actual alliance city, not neutral Dalaran)
- Are involved constantly in various zones in each expansion by devising weapons and strategies for the Alliance. Not just pop up every 2nd expansion for one "moment of glory" and usually on behalf of the neutral Kirin Tor.
- There are many gnomish encampments across Azeroth (I can name some if you like), each that play a purpose for the Alliance
- Gnomes were tasked with establishing a base for the Alliance expedition in wrath
- Gnomes led an attack on Gnomeregon
- Gnomes are constantly present throughout BfA and the major battles within the expansion. The high elves were not.
High elves are not the central Alliance presence in Dalaran, humans are. In fact, where are the elves in the Silver enclave? They're gone now, no longer there.
The Silver covenant were a Kirin Tor militia group formed for the interests of Dalaran (to keep an eye on the Sunreavers in Dalaran, not an Alliance city).
I've been playing since 2005. If you have a liking for a certain group you're probably going to take more notice of their presence than other races and groups.. doesn't mean they are actually more present.
Not really. it wouldn't make sense for the void elves to join the Horde. If it weren't for Alleria then the void elves would have likely been consumed by the void (ie not been playable but rather an enemy NPC faction to both Horde and Alliance).
"Many have sought to harness the corruptive magic of the Void. Most who tried have fallen into madness. Determined to use this power for the good of Azeroth, Alleria Windrunner is the first mortal to succeed at defying the shadow's whispers. Coming to the aid of a group of her kin who nearly gave in to the darkness, Alleria has vowed to train these void elves to control the shadows within them and pledge their newfound powers to the Alliance."
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So what you're saying is if Alleria somehow dies in Shadowlands and then Umbric is appointed the leader of the void elves then void elves will now look like their leader and there'd be no reason to give them light skin options. If that's the foundation you want to set your argument on then I'm afraid it's a weak one.
Despite being disappointed to hear that blue eyes won't be an option for blood elves (at the moment, anything is possible like you love to say), it's actually not a good situation for your "light skinned void elves" request.
Ion stated that it doesn't make sense for blood elves to have blue eyes as they have moved on from that. If we go by that, then likewise it wouldn't make sense for void elves to have light skinned void elves (ie Alleria look-a-likes) as they too have "moved on" (or evolved) from that. It wouldn't make sense for them to go back to light skin options.
If blood elves who were tainted by the fel don't make sense to go back to having blue eyes, then void elves who were consumed by the void (to a greater degree than blood elves who were tainted by fel) don't make sense to going back and having human-esque skin tones and hair colors. They've evolved into void beings, thus their aesthetic should reflect that.
"That eye color does not make sense for blood elves as they have evolved"
"That skin color does not make sense for void elves as they have evolved"
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I can't think of a scenario where Blizzard would say "you know this thing Alliance players have been asking for since before TBC? Let's give them a bastardized version of it with no set up at all while keeping the thing they asked for visible but out of their reach. I'm sure they'll absolutely love it and not complain!" that does not involve arrogance (the entertainment industry's tendency to think "we'll tell people what to like, fuck what they actually ask for"), head trauma and oxygen deprivation, or incipient tone-deafness.
It'd be one thing if there was credible and consistent lore explaining why you can't have X race. Looking a Final Fantasy XIV, some people have wanted playable Garleans (the defacto bad guy race) since sometime after the game relaunched. What makes it not possible is that in-world Garleans don't have an innate spark for aether (the game's version of magical energies), which prevents them from being most of the jobs in game since even the melee jobs use or manipulate aether in some way to use their abilities. Combine this with the in-world hatred everyone has for Garleans (since they hail from an empire that has crushed nations and subjugated their populace) and you have two solid reasons why they're not playable. That might change with future developments in the lore (especially now with the imminent collapse of the Garlean Empire), but you'd be hard pressed to find someone who would call any of the reasons why Garleans aren't playable flimsy.
Compare that to High Elves over the years:
* "They're a scattered people with no organization" - The Silver Covenant is introduced in Wrath.
* "Uhh...they're few in number and wouldn't warrant being a full new race" - Allied races (that are meant for groups that wouldn't warrant being a full new race) are introduced.
* "Umm...you're supposed to fight/hate only those that look different from you, and they'd look too similar. Also because it's impossible for us to give them their own aesthetic to make them stand out, and no one has given us any suggestions for said aesthetic. What's that? Night elves and Nightborne? Megathreads on how to make high elves distinct? Never heard of them." <== we are here
* "Ummmmm...no because the director said so"
To call it flimsy is putting it nicely.
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Seeing as Alleria just came back to the story compared to Sylvanas who's been on her way out since BFA, I'd say it's a very strong foundation. Since y'know the current status quo reinforces that whereas you'd have to hope your hypothetical situation of Alleria dying comes true.
Your post reminds me of when people speculated all High Elves dying at Teldrassil, not because any evidence pointed to it at all but simply because there was a conclusion people already wanted (High Elves to no longer be among Alliance and the High Elf request to stop) and then rationalizing what could happen to reach that conclusion.
Very different from rolling with the punches and seeing the developments occurring and the potentials of where those could lead.
There is still dark rangers within the ranks of the forsaken, so that aesthetic would still make sense to be an option yet it seems at this stage it isn't happening. Blizzard are more focusing on expanding the dead human aesthetic. Likewise, it's more likely that Blizzard will expand on the void aesthetic of void elves and not an aesthetic that'd only make them closer to being a blood elf than a void elf. Remember, your best friend Ion gave us the "blurring faction lines" reasoning behind high elves not being playable. If you want to hold him to his latest comments then you should hold him to that statement too, as he hasn't retracted that statement or contradicted it. All we've gotten from him and other devs is "anything is possible", a phrase he used again in this latest interview. It's a "get out of jail card" phrase, anything is possible, but doesn't mean certain things will ever will implemented.
Anything is possible:
- Blood elves getting blue eyes at the end of Shadowlands or in the next expansion. Is it possible? Yes. Will it happen? Unlikely.
- Alliance High elves becoming playable. Is it possible? Yes. Will it happen? Unlikely, if not almost certainly no.
- Void elves getting like skinned aesthetics. Is it possible? Yes. Will it happen? Unlikely.
- High elves all being killed off. Is it possible? Yes. Will it happen? Unlikely.
- Alterac humans playable on the Horde. Is it possible? Yes. Will it happen? Unlikely, if not almost certainly no.
- Factions no longer existing. Is it possible? Yes. Will it happen? Unlikely, if not almost certainly no.
- WoW becoming free to play next year. Is it possible? Yes. Will it happen? Unlikely, if not almost certainly no.
I hope you get the drift. Just because someone says "anything is possible" doesn't mean anything will come of it.
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This is the one that literally is not possible lol. Ion explained why: "I can confirm Blue Eyes Blood Elves are not happening, it doesn't make sense for how they've evolved."
This is one of the rare moments where someone can say something is definitely not ever going to happen.
I think allied races will get eye color selection. The tech was already implemented in 8.3, and currently in Alpha vulpera, kul tirans and mag'har have eye color separated from faces/skins (unlike in live, their eye color does not change when you change their options). Can't say for sure for void elves, nightborne, zandalari and lightforged, since they only have one eye color anyway, but those files that weren mistaken for blood elf eyes seem to match void elf aesthetic.
Only highmountain tauren and mechagnome have eye color tied to faces in alpha, and that could change in future builds.
Whatever...
"if you want to play a fair skinned light haired elf" sorry the Horde is waiting for you. That is a literal confirmation equivalent to Ion's statement about blue eyed blood elves, yet the mental hoops you've jumped through to explain this confirmed statement as not true and "anything is possible". The fact you're now claiming one of Ion's statements is concrete confirmation... the hypocrisy... my sides hurt!
Blood elves are our high elves - Chris Metzen
Oof, this looks like you've misunderstood information. Whether intentionally or accidentally. It's similar to the people who started to make threads about High Elves should get their eyes changed to Gold now. Wish you the best on that front.
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Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if races with 1 eye color atm got to get a bit of range on them. But a bit too early to tell. Draenei are also another race with a single eye color so since character customization is focused on original races they'll potentially show what other races with single eye color choices get. Night Elves too, seeing as even though the race in total has 2 eye colors, they're relegated to each gender.