Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[FlubberPuddy]

Keyboardturner was actually wrong though. She said those eyes weren't intended for Blood Elves, they were intended for Void Elves. Turns out they were intended for the model, just for NPCs. So the methodology was actually incorrect and the doubt justified. KayJayEme calling out Keyboardturner for allowing her biases to distort her judgement is not harassment, particularly when Keyboardturner is a pro Helfer who was strongly hoping Blood Elves would not get blue eyes.

The essence of her message is correct, Blood Elves weren't getting Blue Eyes just yet. And that turned out to be true, and if you think that's not harassment then I feel sorry for you. Going to predict Moorgard won't answer KayJayEme's tidbit because a quick look at some of her posts shows how quickly that person can go from calm to 'panic' mode.

Nice of you to ignore the 3rd link as well, guess you don't have anything to say there.

And that is their right, but as I told you a while ago, at the end of the day it's only an eye colour. And it's an eye colour difference Ion Hazzikostas listed among the differences between the Blood Elves and the exiles with the cumulative point that they didn't matter. Blood Elves remain high elves and high elves remain playable as a result.

Cool so you acknowledge you don't speak for others, that's all I was pointing out. It may be 'only an eye colour' but it's apparent it has meaning as per Ion's statement. And again you're taking a moment meant to prop up focus on Void Elves, twisting it, and using that leap of logic to make a conclusion. Hasn't worked out for you so far regarding the blue eyes on blood elves.

I won't get into that circular discussion again. We'll just have to see what further develops. What's interesting is that ever since Void Elves released it seems as if High Elves have came up as a topic almost yearly for Blizzard in terms of their responses or acknowledgement related to them.

There are plentiful options that are locked away from players for customisation purposes. Undead elves, gilgoblins, San'layn skins, red skins for Draenei to represent Eredar. None of which will ever be granted either, and several of which have more 'meat' to be the basis for an allied race than just relying on blue eyes.

None of those have the amount of evidence and presence that High Elves in the Alliance have. Those truly are wish-fulfillment requests. Don't see how they have "more meat" on them. You've said yourself that some of those options (such as evil demons Eredar) wouldn't make sense, you speak from lore perspective there. I doubt there's many at all that truly think those will happen, which is why the High Elf request itself also stands out in stark contrast to many of the other race requests on the official forums and elsewhere.

There is just so much evidence out there for High Elf involvement in Alliance within WoW as opposed to those other options you bring up. As Strippling would say, "apples to oranges".

Blue eyes will be an option for Alliance players though. And if you do wish to play a blue eyed thalassian elf, the Alliance will indeed be waiting for you. They come with blue skin and blue hair as well. Void Elves will clearly have blue eyes options.

I already said long ago that Void Elves have blue eyes thus why would those go to Blood Elves wherein which time you used to argue that Void Elves have 'ghost white' eyes (the most ridiculous claim, so obvious they're blue). Now you comment on how Void Elves 'clearly have blue eyes options'.

I think everyone can see here like the most pedants of pedants. It will take a form of authority to force you to flip flop your opinions. Thus it makes it useless to actually discuss anything with you. As I've said before, you are a 'status quo' discusser, holding any opinions that aren't status quo and commenting on any status quos you agree with.

The end result of this is going to be the same status quo. Traditional high elves on the Horde, variant high elves on the Alliance.

More evidence of what I've said just above. Means it's really practically fruitless to have a discussion with you.

[Ardenaso]

You mean Auric's angels?
They aren't, the name is purely meant as a tribute to Charlie's angels.

Gee I wonder what "Auric" stands for and why of all names this was used.

[FlubberPuddy]

Gee I wonder what "Auric" stands for and why of all names this was used.

Auric is the name of Auric Sunchaser. https://wow.gamepedia.com/Captain_Auric_Sunchaser

Broflake is incorrect btw. During beta of BFA the team name used to be "Jaina's Angels" which would be more of a reference tribute to Charlie's Angels. Wherein Charlie, a dude, had 3 girls working for him as spies.

Therefore it would've been more on the nose to keep Jaina's Angels, with 3 males working for her as Alliance expedition members. It would've been a lot more obvious and mirror the Charlie's Angels with a gender reversal perfectly. They changed it later to Auric, no one knows why. So people can only speculate.

But that Auric is referenced means Blizzard hasn't forgotten about High Elves among Alliance ranks even more. Especially since the opposition to the High Elf request is as Frenchvince pointed out, trying to make it seem like High Elves don't exist on the Alliance.

[Ardenaso]

Auric is the name of Auric Sunchaser. https://wow.gamepedia.com/Captain_Auric_Sunchaser

Broflake is incorrect btw. During beta of BFA the team name used to be "Jaina's Angels" which would be more of a reference tribute to Charlie's Angels. Wherein Charlie, a dude, had 3 girls working for him as spies.

Therefore it would've been more on the nose to keep Jaina's Angels, with 3 males working for her as Alliance expedition members. It would've been a lot more obvious and mirror the Charlie's Angels with a gender reversal perfectly. They changed it later to Auric, no one knows why. So people can only speculate.

But that Auric is referenced means Blizzard hasn't forgotten about High Elves among Alliance ranks even more. Especially since the opposition to the High Elf request is as Frenchvince pointed out, trying to make it seem like High Elves don't exist on the Alliance.

I know, I was being sarcastic

[Varodoc]

Blizzard is so lazy. Alleria has been back for 3 years and she still hasn't had a reunion with Auric. The leader of the Allerian Expedition.

Like come on it's such an obvious storyline.

[Frenchvince]

Yes, they are still in the history of the Alliance.And then after the second war, they left. A few individuals remain within the Alliance but that doesn't mean the high elves are a part of the Alliance. It means some are in an individual capacity. A centaur joined the horde in one of the comics. Doesn-t make centaur a horde race.

And as we have learned in the past week...it being a 'big' request doesn't matter. They'll do a small request that makes sense to them over a big request that doesn't.

High Elves for the Alliance as a distinct allied race were ruled out two years ago. Nothing has occurred to change that.

And customisations on Void Elves are unlikely as Void Elves have moved past looking like a high elf.

Did you find the origin of the high elf ballists of the 4th war ???

Otherwise, the rest of your message is worthy of the person, in bad faith, and for the rest only speculation according to your deepest desires, as usual ... nothing interesting.

[FlubberPuddy]

I know, I was being sarcastic

Ah, glad to have another in agreement

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Blizzard is so lazy. Alleria has been back for 3 years and she still hasn't had a reunion with Auric. The leader of the Allerian Expedition.

Like come on it's such an obvious storyline.

Might see it in the new book, but we'll have to see. I think their current narrative doesn't have a lot to do with what's happening on Azeroth so it'll probably be a while before we get any follow-ups like that.

I think they just wanted Alleria back in the universe but haven't had much use for her yet because of all the different stories they tried to do at once in BFA.

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Otherwise, the rest of your message is worthy of the person, in bad faith, and for the rest only speculation according to your deepest desires, as usual ... nothing interesting.

Pretty much yeah, glad others are picking up on it.

[Frenchvince]

Pretty much yeah, glad others are picking up on it.

Yes, it is better to let him do his solo testamentary monologue because he is so ridiculous ...

[Aldo Hawk]

Auric is the name of Auric Sunchaser. https://wow.gamepedia.com/Captain_Auric_Sunchaser

Broflake is incorrect btw. During beta of BFA the team name used to be "Jaina's Angels" which would be more of a reference tribute to Charlie's Angels. Wherein Charlie, a dude, had 3 girls working for him as spies.

Therefore it would've been more on the nose to keep Jaina's Angels, with 3 males working for her as Alliance expedition members. It would've been a lot more obvious and mirror the Charlie's Angels with a gender reversal perfectly. They changed it later to Auric, no one knows why. So people can only speculate.

But that Auric is referenced means Blizzard hasn't forgotten about High Elves among Alliance ranks even more. Especially since the opposition to the High Elf request is as Frenchvince pointed out, trying to make it seem like High Elves don't exist on the Alliance.

The worst thing is to see people twisting what's in front of everyone's eyes as to make appear something entirely different, denying reality that anyone can go and see with no effort...

It serves no purpose, it doesn't do a favor to anyone, it's just clutter and misinformation that those who care feel the need to clarify before anyone who don't know about these things sees the wrong side of it.

Auric's angels is the best example of this, it's an Alliance team working for the Alliance under the name of an Alliance character, yet we have people denying it regardless how obvious it is

[elbleuet]

Might see it in the new book, but we'll have to see. I think their current narrative doesn't have a lot to do with what's happening on Azeroth so it'll probably be a while before we get any follow-ups like that.

I think they just wanted Alleria back in the universe but haven't had much use for her yet because of all the different stories they tried to do at once in BFA.

Oh my god now you say this it would be so awesome !

[FlubberPuddy]

Auric's angels is the best example of this, it's an Alliance team working for the Alliance under the name of an Alliance character, yet we have people denying it regardless how obvious it is

Pretty much, I mean sure it's a reference to Charlie's Angels. That doesn't take away from the fact that they used a High Elf as a member for a team where Jeremy Feasel stated these are 'making interesting members of the opposing faction to fight.'

So High Elves are an interesting member of the Alliance for Horde to fight. Thanks Jeremy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XojQnSMkq-k

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Oh my god now you say this it would be so awesome !

We'll have to see. After how they dealt with the 'reunion' of Illidan/Malfurion/Tyrande aka no development at all, Blizzard's plate may likely be too full. They also have a tendency to 'forget things' like the Vindicaar. I don't think it necessarily means 'oh it's not important' it's just they have so many different threads of stories on their plate and it takes them a long time to develop those stories.

An example would be the Blood Elves getting Golden Eyes because that's where they should be at the end of TBC. Took them over a decade to tie up the loose ends there. Partly because of technology limitations, partly because they most likely set in stone the stories of the next expansion way ahead of time and use a lot of their time to focus on that.

The good news is High Elves haven't ever been ruled out for the future and the no blue eyes on Blood Elves just opens it up even more for Alliance players to ask for them now.

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Also I'm pretty sure with the character creation overhaul which denotes a larger amount of space for 'races' to play, means there will likely be another point that Alliance gets to have another Elven race, and at that point the High Elves will have been the most largely requested one ever (it already is).

People like to forget that Ion stated "When we add an Allied Race, there's a desire to have things be even more distinct especially between the two factions with the faction conflict being so prominent."

Aka the faction conflict was very prominent so they had a desire to keep things among the factions 'even more distinct' at that time. It's why we for instance got Dark Iron Dwarves over Wildhammer.

High Elves are such an Alliance thing and the developers have acknowledged it that going forward it'll be interesting to see where their thoughts on them are. Like I said, I'm very curious now that we're past BFA, we're past Void Elves being fresh, we're past Blood Elves potentially getting blue eyes - I'm interested to see when an interviewer brings up if High Elves can come to Alliance now down the line.

MrGM's Tweet on High Elf customization for Void Elves already got 628 likes https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1255061585124626433

very huge compared to any amount of likes toward Blood Elves should be the only playable High Elves or w/e.

His point also hits home: "You'll make a lot of people happy with very little work"

[Frenchvince]

High Elves are such an Alliance thing and the developers have acknowledged it that going forward it'll be interesting to see where their thoughts on them are. Like I said, I'm very curious now that we're past BFA, we're past Void Elves being fresh, we're past Blood Elves potentially getting blue eyes - I'm interested to see when an interviewer brings up if High Elves can come to Alliance now down the line.

MrGM's Tweet on High Elf customization for Void Elves already got 628 likes https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1255061585124626433

very huge compared to any amount of likes toward Blood Elves should be the only playable High Elves or w/e.

His point also hits home: "You'll make a lot of people happy with very little work"

I am waiting to see the update of the NPC HE, if they have several shades of blue for their eyes, it is a good sign.
In general, NPCs with a lot of customization options are likely to end up as a playable race later on as it will be in even greater demand.

[Luck4]

https://twitter.com/KayJayEme/status...53218714107904

https://twitter.com/KayJayEme/status...87745134030857

https://twitter.com/hashtag/BlueEyes...=hashtag_click

The first couple links belong to the girl who harassed keyboardturner just for speculating/concluding with evidence that the blue eye textures datamined didn't fit the Blood Elf profile. Now she's badgering Danuser (Moorgard) about 'I don't get how "it doesn't make sense" blood elves can't get blue eyes'. Calling it a complete contradiction, and saying how doesn't it make any less sense than Wildhammer tats for bronzebeard and sand troll customization for darkspears.

This person is literally using the customizations I said don't necessarily make sense to allow blue eyes on blood elf (which won't make sense either). "If these other options don't make sense, why can't I have options that don't make sense on my blood elf?" essentially is her argument.

The next hashtag is by someone who is still continuing to ask for blue eyes on blood elves, despite Ion's statement.
There are clearly people in the anti-helf community still obsessed with blood elves getting blue eyes, despite Ion's statement. You'll even see on official forums/wowhead comments from the interview that some people still hope to get it.

Lol, these Blood Elf fans are funny, there are countless customizations to ask, but they're all over-obsessed with one single color for their eyes, there are also countless cool other colors for eyes, like: purple, pink, orange, red, teal, brown, gray... but they only want blue eyes and nothing else . It's clear that they don't care about "more customizations" for Blood Elves they only want to make High Elves less likely to happen.

I would give these "blue-eyes guys" more credit if they were asking for more than just one eye color for their beloved race. This obsession with only one small customization option clearly shows what's their goal, which has nothing to do with either customization options or Blood Elves.

[Varx]

I am waiting to see the update of the NPC HE, if they have several shades of blue for their eyes, it is a good sign.
In general, NPCs with a lot of customization options are likely to end up as a playable race later on as it will be in even greater demand.

So is it a lore thing or an appearance thing. Helfers aren't even consistent with each other. And how can you have void elves without the VOID.

Helfers who like tweets like that should just play a belf and suck it up.

[FlubberPuddy]

Lol, these Blood Elf fans are funny, there are countless customizations to ask, but they're all over-obsessed with one single color for their eyes, there are also countless cool other colors for eyes, like: purple, pink, orange, red, teal, brown, gray... but they only want blue eyes and nothing else . It's clear that they don't care about "more customizations" for Blood Elves they only want to make High Elves less likely to happen.

I would give these "blue-eyes guys" more credit if they were asking for more than just one eye color for their beloved race. This obsession with only one small customization option clearly shows what's their goal, which has nothing to do with either customization options or Blood Elves.

Yup, especially when what they're asking for "doesn't make sense" (it never did btw) and they still continue. Shows what their true goal was/is (I bolded it).

That's why a lot of those opposed have wanted High Elf threads shut down/High Elves killed etc. Because they're afraid the organization of the request will have the developers add playable High Elves to the Alliance.

It stands vastly above other race requests because of the fact that the developers continue adding their presence among Alliance's ranks.

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So is it a lore thing or an appearance thing.

It's both and it cannot be separate and I'll tell you why: Because Blizzard themselves have added lore meaning to appearances. You'll never see Green Orcs get brown skin options because them being corrupted orcs by demon blood in the past is part of their history and racial progression overcoming that.

And just because High Elves don't end up as customization for Void Elves doesn't mean they can't be their own playable option down the line. Ion only addressed "No plans for High Elves as an Allied Race in the near term."

[Varx]

Yup, especially when what they're asking for "doesn't make sense" (it never did btw) and they still continue. Shows what their true goal was/is (I bolded it).

That's why a lot of those opposed have wanted High Elf threads shut down/High Elves killed etc. Because they're afraid the organization of the request will have the developers add playable High Elves to the Alliance.

It stands vastly above other race requests because of the fact that the developers continue adding their presence among Alliance's ranks.

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It's both and it cannot be separate and I'll tell you why: Because Blizzard themselves have added lore meaning to appearances. You'll never see Green Orcs get brown skin options because them being corrupted orcs by demon blood in the past is part of their history and racial progression overcoming that.

And just because High Elves don't end up as customization for Void Elves doesn't mean they can't be their own playable option down the line. Ion only addressed "No plans for High Elves as an Allied Race in the near term."

That would objectively make them the same as pandas then. Houjin=belves / Toushui = Helves / same races, different factions.

This in turn opens up a can of worms. The horde world need a replacement race, the alliance would then need a race to balance the nightborne since the velves would no longer be the horde swap, and the horde would need a Panda based AR to balance the velves.

Also what about Demon Hunters? Alliance gets 2 races and horde 1?

All that just to appease a very, very, VERY, load and obnoxious minority of alliance players? I doubt it.

[matrix123mko]

You can read several of the comics including the war of the ancients. The Highborne cast and "tree hugged caste" existed before the appearance of the legion. It was a way of separating those who practiced arcane and were considered "high" above the others.
When everything went down, and the highborne, azshara and her people drowned, the few highborne left either went into hiding, or were exiled.
They still exist as a caste, but they're not anything different from the other night elves outside of ideology.

That caste survived. Azshara is alive and she is still the queen of Kaldorei Empire. She just hasn't ended a civil war yet. So far she hasn't stated that all arcane using elves lose their Highborne position if they have no purple skin.

This is why the blood elves and the like cry "blood of the highborne". It is meant to honor their arcane roots and belief systems even though they are far removed from their night elf roots. Sort of the way Italians speak of Roman heritage.

Except they aren't that removed from their roots. Sunstrider dynasty died out only a couple years ago.

You mean Auric's angels?
They aren't, the name is purely meant as a tribute to Charlie's angels. The allerian stronghold elves wanted reunification in WotLK and we havent seen them since.

I am aware that they are mainly intended to be a joke. However, their name suggests that they are affiliated with Auric in some way.

[Odintdk]

Imagine actually believing that the absolute minority/remnants of an already remnants of the High elven race, would feature not one, but TWO playable sub races on the Alliance, while the bulk of what's left of the race after the scourge's onslaught, get represented by one on the horde.

If anything, the exiles will eventually reunify at their ancestral home in Silvermoon, and be either added as a new customization as Bloodelves (with their new evolved sunwell eye colors), or simply just move on as Bloodelves with the rest of their people.

All that just to appease a very, very, VERY, load and obnoxious minority of alliance players? I doubt it.

When people believe that the world particularly revolves around them, it's hard to change their mind.

[FlubberPuddy]

That would objectively make them the same as pandas then. Houjin=belves / Toushui = Helves / same races, different factions.

This in turn opens up a can of worms. The horde world need a replacement race, the alliance would then need a race to balance the nightborne since the velves would no longer be the horde swap, and the horde would need a Panda based AR to balance the velves.

Also what about Demon Hunters? Alliance gets 2 races and horde 1?

No it wouldn't objectively make them like Pandas. Who said High Elves would get all the same customizations/classes that Blood Elves have? No one's ever said that.

Your reductio ad absurdum is a fallacy.

1) Blue Eyes are High Elf only (and Void Elves). Blood Elves have Green and Gold thus a differentiation there already.

2) High Elves wouldn't get Demonhunters because it would make no sense for them to have DHs. Nobody's even suggested DHs for them when class discussions have came up. They also very likely wouldn't have Warlocks seeing as chaotic magics is what they deigned to abstain from.

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All that just to appease a very, very, VERY, load and obnoxious minority of alliance players? I doubt it.

Sounds like projection mate.

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I am aware that they are mainly intended to be a joke. However, their name suggests that they are affiliated with Auric in some way.

It's also possible to be mainly a joke and still matter. See: Gnomes and Goblins.

[Manariel]

Imagine actually believing that the absolute minority/remnants of an already remnants of the High elven race, would feature not one, but TWO playable sub races on the Alliance, while the bulk of what's left of the race after the scourge's onslaught, get represented by one on the horde.

If anything, the exiles will eventually reunify at their ancestral home in Silvermoon, and be either added as a new customization as Bloodelves (with their new evolved sunwell eye colors), or simply just move on as Bloodelves with the rest of their people.



When people believe that the world particularly revolves around them, it's hard to change their mind.

You do realize that :
a) there would be two variants only because Blizzard didn't made the obvious and right decision to add playable High Elves to the game instead of Void Elves ?

b)in spit of being non-corrupted, the differences between High and Blood elves are deeper than between Void and Blood Elves - with the former being so removed in term of values and beliefs that they have shown no moral quandary when it came to killing and generally speaking fighting Blood Elves while Void Elves expresses the wish to see Quel'Thalas return to the Alliance.