Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[FossilFree]

My Hunter would support you.

Think of those options for a Venthyr BE hunter! drool...

[DeicideUH]

If I had my way, BEs would get glowing red eyes, pallid skin tones, and deathly-white hair .

I see no reason why not.

[Maxilian]

If I had my way, BEs would get glowing red eyes, pallid skin tones, and deathly-white hair .

I hear you and i completely agree with you!

[bobwuzhere1224]

Think of those options for a Venthyr BE hunter! drool...

Well it's mostly cause when my Hunter wears the Nighthold Mythic Helm based on Sylvanas the eyeglow from his eyes and the eye glow from the hood end up mixing together causing the cool red-eyed effect to lose it's flavor.

[FossilFree]

So apparently, only those purple VE eyes are flagged for NPCs, but VEs are getting different colors of blue nonetheless!

https://www.wowhead.com/news=316173/...ding-blue-eyes

Edit: Oh and BE are possibly getting red!


https://www.wowhead.com/news=316171/...-earrings-ear-

[Lahis]

So apparently, only those purple VE eyes are flagged for NPCs, but VEs are getting different colors of blue nonetheless!

https://www.wowhead.com/news=316173/...ding-blue-eyes

Edit: Oh and BE are possibly getting red!


https://www.wowhead.com/news=316171/...-earrings-ear-

The red are NPC options (and flagged as such) for Dark Rangers.

[bobwuzhere1224]

So apparently, only those purple VE eyes are flagged for NPCs, but VEs are getting different colors of blue nonetheless!

https://www.wowhead.com/news=316173/...ding-blue-eyes

Edit: Oh and BE are possibly getting red!


https://www.wowhead.com/news=316171/...-earrings-ear-

In those wowhead articles they are being speculated as being npc only most likely.

[FossilFree]

The red are NPC options (and flagged as such) for Dark Rangers.

Bah, Blizzard are such teases!

[Arbs]

If I had my way, BEs would get glowing red eyes, pallid skin tones, and deathly-white hair .

That'd be pretty cool actually.

[FlubberPuddy]

Bah, such Blizzard are such teases!

More like Wowhead for putting them there despite knowing it. They even edited a note for the blue eyes but continue placing them in their articles

[bobwuzhere1224]

More like Wowhead for putting them there despite knowing it. They even edited a note for the blue eyes but continue placing them in their articles

Clickbait is what they are doing.

[Broflake]

Leave it up to blizzard to show off cool shit but then restrict it to npcs we never even see a lot.

I think it's fully about time they start to learn from FF14 and listen to what their fans wants, just give us the customizations that we want and not some half assed shit.
There are now so many new eye colors here that we don't even get to use. Same would happen with Kyrians but with the wings, they would give us the angel race we ask for but then take away the fucking wings which would just leave us with blue kul tirans.

Idk about you guys but im sick of them giving all the cool shit to npcs while THE MOST IMPORTANT MODEL in the game, the player model, gets nothing.
You'd think they'd give cool designs to the one model we constantly see rather than npc models that you see in a single quest or two.

Remember when they had all those cool NPC ONLY weapons?
Yeah, I do.

Shadowlands is looking to be extremely disappointing customization wise if they keep making things NPC only.
Honestly, I can see them losing potential subs with them limiting these options in such a way.
Void elves should have ever eye color possible.
BE should have ever eye color possible.

Doing otherwise makes it look bizarre when no other races gets such bizarre restrictions.

[DeicideUH]

That's just not enough for me :/




Now, this is the point where I am legit, utterly subjectively, salty:

The second beard is the one I have drawn my High Elf with since... like a decade :/

They probably got some ideas from the high elf threads...

[Frenchvince]

More like Wowhead for putting them there despite knowing it. They even edited a note for the blue eyes but continue placing them in their articles

Perculia really has to do it on purpose lol

[bobwuzhere1224]

Perculia really has to do it on purpose lol

Dunno why they need to make it clickbait when people are wanting to know regardless.

[DeicideUH]

Just noticed the undead customization options are in. And they are pretty awesome. All those options for the face are separated now (jaw, eyes, leather straps) and you can select three stages of decomposition: fresh, mottled and bony. Eye colors include yellow, red, blue, purple, green, white, dead (no glow) and eyeless (empty sockets). Pretty cool.

Oh, and the new skin colors are the best they ever had.

I miss facial hair options, thought. It would be cool to see undead with some amount of beards.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

I'd rather High Elves as their separate option so I'm ok with this.

IDK. Would I prefer this unlikely scenario or would I prefer this VERY unlikely scenario? I'd rather have something, you know.

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They probably got some ideas from the high elf threads...

Heh. But yeh, kinda sucks, but to be fair, it's an awesome beard design and actually more resembling to Lor'themar's. My guy's beard is like the in between this one and the VE chinstrap. But WE, nothing short of "neutral" blood elves would make me roll my alliance main as a BE XD.

And that beard will look very sweet on my rogue, so yay.

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Maybe, but with the High Elf request still being acknowledged as possible by Afrasiabi, Ion saying just cuz they're not in bfa doesn't mean they wont be in wow ever, and the confirmation of no blue eyed blood elves along with noting character customization is never going to stop/have a definite end.

Well you're pretty much just setting to add in a very highly requested option that also makes sense for one faction.

It's kind of like the addition of Charcoal miner Dark Irons didn't stop fans from wanting the third well-known clan (Wildhammer) for their faction.

To me, it's more looking like how do Blizzard want to handle High Elves rather than if at this point.

Maybe? IDK. like I really don't know if my lack of belief HE's will ever be playable is caused by a logical appreciation of the evidence or just ennui towards the situation.

Like I do think some people within Blizzard do want them to be playable, but I just don't think the overall design choices care about it, so yeh. I'm really not hopeful.

I legit it's more likely that the faction paradigm shifts rather than they put the effort into implementing HE's as an Allied Race, because it just doesn't look to me like the people in charge really care about the request for High Elves.

[FlubberPuddy]

IDK. Would I prefer this unlikely scenario or would I prefer this VERY unlikely scenario? I'd rather have something, you know.

I'm with you there as well

Maybe? IDK. like I really don't know if my lack of belief HE's will ever be playable is caused by a logical appreciation of the evidence or just ennui towards the situation.

Like I do think some people within Blizzard do want them to be playable, but I just don't think the overall design choices care about it, so yeh. I'm really not hopeful.

I legit it's more likely that the faction paradigm shifts rather than they put the effort into implementing HE's as an Allied Race, because it just doesn't look to me like the people in charge really care about the request for High Elves.

I just treat it like Demonhunters personally. Something I really want in the game, but not what makes or breaks it for me. So I go on about my wow business for the most part pretty much, just don't like people who are obviously trying to stop/negate a request. That's silly imo, let people ask for what they want, however long they wish. Some treat it as if it's tormenting their own existence by seeing others ask about it!

Mmmm about the faction paradigm idk. Really depends, I still don't think we're there. But I know for sure that I'm seeing a LOT more calls for negating the faction divide in end-game content than previously before. And Blizzard flip-flopping so soon after their repeated 'No' at Blizzcon 2019, makes me think they didn't realize how many people don't care as much for the faction divide than say a decade ago.

Either way though, from DeicideUH's post on the Undead Customizations it's clear these are very quality additions and I don't see them not allowing Allied Races to have that kind of improved customization either (we're already seeing it with Draenei, Void Elves, for instance). It'll be interesting to see how they handle it there, because as stated previously the biggest call for Void Elf fans appears to be "I want to look like Alleria" who is basically a High Elf.

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Perculia really has to do it on purpose lol

Perc's mentioned multiple times that blue eyes on blood elves wouldn't make sense (as in like few years ago to currently) so I'm sure she's teasing purposely as well

[Strippling]

"A fragmented group of Eredar are aligned with the alliance. the main group of Eredar society are allied with the burning legion. that is a fact, not headcanon"

This is like you sound-

Yeah, we call those eredar Draenei, like we call the "high elves" currently on the horde, blood elves. This purposeful obfuscation of nomenclature is transparent AF

It is not purposeful obfuscation. I acknowledge that there are a group of high elves aligned with the Alliance, but I am also of the opinion that this fractured group of Alliance aligned high elves do not represent the high elf race in WoW. The high elf race is represented by the blood elves, they are the embodiment of the high elven race. The fractured group aligned with the Alliance have no real society or culture, and are assimilating into human society. They are exiles of the predominant high elven group, aka the blood elves.

It is disingenuous to say "blood elves aren't called high elves so they are not the high elves of WoW". Despite the group aligned with the alliance referring to themselves as "high elves", they are not the representation of the high elf race. This is where the crux of the debate lies, blood elves are our high elves as defined by Chris Metzen. Blood elves were designed from the very start to be the continuation of high elf society. They are the legacy of the high elf race. Making the alliance aligned high elves playable would blur that identity, it would blur faction lines and it would water down the uniqueness of blood elves, who are our high elves of WoW. You may not care about this consequence, but I certainly do and many others as well. Blood elves are our high elves, this was plain and simply stated by Chris Metzen. Blood elves are the legacy of the high elf race, this is plain and simply portrayed in-game. Blurring that identity for the sake of a fractured group who are not even unified and are dissipating within human society would be a great injustice to the high elf race who are a CORE race of the Horde.

You can disagree all you want, but don't act like I'm being "purposefully obtuse". It is a genuine counter argument to emphasize that blood elves are our high elves. The lead developers have said such and the game shows us how they are the legacy of the high elves.

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Apparently, blue and purple eyes are for void elves.
https://www.wowhead.com/news=316173/...ding-blue-eyes

Purple eyes are for NPCs only

[matrix123mko]

no, not headcanon, but putting two and two together from the canon lore we have. WotA tells us they are connected to the WEll, Chronicles revealed how and why, because they are made and modified by it directly although it doesn't show us how. WotA the Sundering tells us that when the 2nd well was reformed they could feel it inside.
Warcraft website articles on eye glows that tells us they glow is because of the inner power from their connection to the WEll of eternity - which I deduce to me a link to Azeroth'z arcane blood, since the glow was never lost when the first well imploded.
Several places in lore it is remarked the blood elves hold the night elves, in particular the Darnassiasn in contempt because of the power they have had and wasted by not ustilising, this refers to the Well and Moonwell and the inner power they've being squandering out of "cowardice", "superstition" and baseless "fear" - as they put it.

Their new well doesn't work because Nordrassil exists. This means that elves don't need wells to have glowing eyes.

Meanwhile the High elves devolved, the connection and inner arcane power lost, this to me implies there were no glowing eyes as they lost immortality, lost height, lost stature, lost intelligence and became much weaker versions of their former selves.

Except it was not a deevolution. They indeed became weaker for a moment but it didn't change their bodies. I would call it a temporary illness. Similar to one that nightborne suffer when they go out of Suramar. Without constant suffusion of arcane magic, mortal race is suspectible to diseases. Night elves didn't suffer that only because they were blessed by Alextrasza.

Until they found Quel'thalas and established the sunwell, they keep themselves constantly suffused with its power, they aren't made from the sunwell, and their natural connection to the WEll of Eternity is severed (this is lore), so what they have is a man made or rather elf made artificial connection (this is the deduction I make).

Keep in mind that night elves have their connection to Well of Eternity severed too. Original one doesn't exist and the new one was completely disabled by Cenarius.

I imagine this to mean that these elves in a weakened state require this enhancement more than ever, but it's not on the same level as the Well of Eternity, but thye make very good use of it. When the power source is destroyed by Kael'thas (lore), I deduce gone is the eye glow, for there is no arcane power charging them up, and they have no natural inner one biologically.

There is no reason why they wouldn't have it. Here you are creating lore out of thin air.

It's dangerous for them when their well is polluted because of how connected they are to it, meanwhile when a moonwell is polluted or the Well of Eternity imploded the night elves don't lose that connection though they notice the loss keenly (this is lore in War of the ancients and in quests), because the connection is the aracne blood of the titan (the source of the Well, not the physical pooling in a location like Zin'Azshari or Hyjal).

Give me the quote.

Currently you are trying to convince me that Highborne lose connection to the Well of Eternity(lite) by simply going further from it, while night elves do not lose power when the original well is destroyed. It doesn't make sense, especially when you realise that Well of Eternity in Hyjal doesn't work at all.