Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Ardenaso]

There isn't a difference. High Elves are free to visit and worship the Sunwell as they please, even those in the Alliance. They are the same as Blood Elves in that the Holy Energy from it radiates to them. Worshipping the Light in a church doesn't override this change that's been happening since BC.

I doubt this is still the case after the Purge of Dalaran

[delus]

You can call teal/cyan "blue", "green" or "juliet" for all I care. Doesn't change the fact that is has as much green in it as it has blue.

What does it matter? The npc options are probably going to be taken away.

[DeicideUH]

The void elves received new eyes options. Maybe they will get new skin tones as well in the future.

Textures (eye color/skins/hair colors) are fairly easy to add, so I guess we may see some of these options added to allied races. Hair styles, jewelry and beards are unlikely for 9.0, however, as they require new geosets.

[FlubberPuddy]

pretty much people are trying by all means to make this is "not exactly blue", or "not this blue!1!", or even "this is not the right blue!1" so "blood elves are not rly exactly high elves", grasping at straws, and it looks more like damage control

this IS blue, just another shade of it, playing semantics. maybe they will release others, maybe not, time will tell, saying its not "THE" blue to further a non-existent difference make no sense

Guess you should start sharing everywhere that Blood Elves got their blue eyes with that option and letting media sites like Wowhead/Blizzard Watch/etc know as well as other players around here and the official forums know. I'm sure those people will be excited they got one option for blue eyes finally, according to you.

[Syegfryed]

Yeah, there are some posters here being really disingenous in the way they discuss,.

there is nothing disingenuous in saying a shade of blue is blue.

This damage control is looking childish, people have being screamed at the four winds that blue isn't what differ the elves, but there are trying to discuss how HE have the "true" blue color, and this "not the exactly blue", despise being a blue option.

and will just throw out any facts from any source as "not valid" if it doesn't fit their narrative. It's just silly. Then they use pages like wikis themselves and it's suddenly legit.

This is a thing applied to you people as well, don't know why you try to put on the other side, lik only picking

Instead of just seeing stuff for what it is.

a shade of blue? but no, it is not blue, blue, cause that would implies we were wrong, damage control

[FlubberPuddy]

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So you literally do not have proof for your statement that all high elves will eventually get Golden Eyes. That's all I had to see thanks!

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which means, Blood elves should also have blue-eyes, since another energy override the previous fel taint, if its not holy magic its arcane magic

He also acknowledge the existence of blood elves with blue-eyes and they have a reason of why, who obviously either they coming back to quel'thalas, or their eyes changing back by the use of arcane magic, or even both.

Mages should have blue eyes, just like Priests and paladins have golden eyes, and they should not restrict it, for the same reasons

Sorry, but Ion said it's not for them. It sounds like you're still fighting for blue eyes to happen when "Word of God" has stated 'it doesn't make sense for how they've evolved'.

How come you're trying to fight the developers statements now when normally you're trying to defend them?

[Doffen]

there is nothing disingenuous in saying a shade of blue is blue.

This damage control is looking childish, people have being screamed at the four winds that blue isn't what differ the elves, but there are trying to discuss how HE have the "true" blue color, and this "not the exactly blue", despise being a blue option.

Yeah, I am not part of that discussion. It's as much blue as it is green right, nothing to discuss.

Not sure why you even try to defend yourself when it obviously applies for both sides.

"b-b-but what 'bout the other's".

[Syegfryed]

Sorry, but Ion said it's not for them. It sounds like you're still fighting for blue eyes to happen when "Word of God" has stated 'it doesn't make sense for how they've evolved'.
How come you're trying to fight the developers statements now when normally you're trying to defend them?

How come you are trying to say he is right, when you and other passed years saying him was wrong? people here wanted Ion head for months, now he is suddenly a good God and the developers words matter, of course, ignoring what he said before.

The thing is we are not "fighting", there is not a direct clash here with the like you said, word of god(who confirms there is blood elves with blue-eyes), just taking about the possibility that they could go back with a statement about customization, like they did before.

Guess you should start sharing everywhere that Blood Elves got their blue eyes with that option and letting media sites like Wowhead/Blizzard Watch/etc know as well as other players around here and the official forums know. I'm sure those people will be excited they got one option for blue eyes finally, according to you.

i don't need to, people already know and people like it, most of horde people don't nitpick in what they have, but there is other who want the rest of the blue shades, since its bullshit to lock to npcs.

Yeah, I am not part of that discussion. It's as much blue as it is green right, nothing to discuss.

Not sure why you even try to defend yourself when it obviously applies for both sides.

"b-b-but what 'bout the other's".

again, is a shade of blue, there isn't much to discuss besides people saying isn't the right blue

[Ardenaso]

Alright, since Blood Elves are High Elves, and vice versa, then why do people still see Purge of Dalaran as racism and genocide when Jaina (retconned) only teleported everyone into the prison and the ones who did the actual killings other than the PC were... the High Elves?

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[FlubberPuddy]

How come you are trying to say he is right, when you and other passed years saying him was wrong? people here wanted Ion head for months, now he is suddenly a good God and the developers words matter, of course, ignoring what he said before.

The thing is we are not "fighting", there is not a direct clash here with the like you said, word of god(who confirms there is blood elves with blue-eyes), just taking about the possibility that they could go back with a statement about customization, like they did before.

i don't need to, people already know and people like it, most of horde people don't nitpick in what they have, but there is other who want the rest of the blue shades, since its bullshit to lock to npcs.

It speaks of the 'strength' of your arguments when all you can do is resort to whataboutism. I've noticed it's a frequent tactic you employ, and it's a fallacy to use.

[Syegfryed]

It speaks of the 'strength' of your arguments when all you can do is resort to whataboutism. I've noticed it's a frequent tactic you employ, and it's a fallacy to use.

i mean, the entire strength of you argument is try to flip what you do to the other "side", you literally tried to imply people are being hypocrite by not taking devs words(despite we not doing that) while most of the pro side do is nitpicking, ignoring and disregarding dev words for years by now, sounds a lot contradictory to me.

[ravenmoon]

If Nordrassil didn't block power of the Well of Eternity, Archimonde could use its powers during his invasion on Hyjal without removing the tree.

If you meant block, you should have said that. You wrote BROKE - that means something totally different. MADE me write an entire paragraph recalling history.

Are high elves weaker than night elves? I don't think so. Night elves were powerful only because of blessing of Nordrassil. When it was destroyed, night elves became as weak as high elves.

Yes, they are diminished Night elves weakened by their expulsion - but that hardly seems to matter, they out perform them and beat them every time they meet these days.. but then why does it surprise you that stats on paper doesn't translate to victory all the time. Plot > stats - which is why we can defeat powerful ancient entities and even titans :rolleyes

Yes. For a moment. It hasn't taken them a lot of time. Just a couple of years to reach Eastern Kingdoms and go north

Do we know how long it took? In some accounts it appears like it took several life times of humans - they weren't travelling in a straight line you know to an established location, it is far more likely they would get to places, stay there for a while and move on for one reason or the other, we know t hey went through Tirisfal too.

As for nightborne, I still think it is similar. Two races highly reliant on arcane magic that were cut from it. Without arcane suffusion they fall into illnesses comparable to famine. It is not a deevolution. It is a sickness that can be cured.

This is comes from the night elves btw, it is not exlclusive to blood elves, but the situation is different in the night elf kind than it is in blood lef kind, Did you not observe this? IThe more addicted and hooked to arcane magic you were the more it affected you, if you were in balance, you would be fine, The Nightborne case is an exceptional extreme case of the night elven kind of addiction

[Aldo Hawk]

@Syegfryed

But it's blue!

But it's green!

But it's blue!

But it's green!

But it's blue!

But it's green!

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I hope you are able to see how stupid that is, literal numbers on the amount of color have told that there are equal amounts of both colors in the bluest PIXEL.

Do you know that it has a name, right? Well, of course you know, you have been told in the previous page, and it is called:ＴＥＡＬ

Unless you prefer the:

But it's blue!

But it's green!

But it's blue!

But it's green!

But it's blue!

But it's green!

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In which case, it says more about your way of dealing with arguments than anything to be honest, and that's not good, amigo.

[matrix123mko]

If you meant block, you should have said that. You wrote BROKE - that means something totally different. MADE me write an entire paragraph recalling history.

Then sorry.

Yes, they are diminished Night elves weakened by their expulsion - but that hardly seems to matter, they out perform them and beat them every time they meet these days.. but then why does it surprise you that stats on paper doesn't translate to victory all the time. Plot > stats - which is why we can defeat powerful ancient entities and even titans :rolleyes

You can say that highborne have lost blessings of the aspects during their departure. However, so did the night elves when Nordrassil has been burned. This is a major motivation for Fandral later.

Do we know how long it took? In some accounts it appears like it took several life times of humans - they weren't travelling in a straight line you know to an established location, it is far more likely they would get to places, stay there for a while and move on for one reason or the other, we know t hey went through Tirisfal too.

I think they always said "many years". This doesn't say much but if I was to give a random guess, I would give them 40 years like in Exodus.

This is comes from the night elves btw, it is not exlclusive to blood elves, but the situation is different in the night elf kind than it is in blood lef kind, Did you not observe this? IThe more addicted and hooked to arcane magic you were the more it affected you, if you were in balance, you would be fine, The Nightborne case is an exceptional extreme case of the night elven kind of addiction

Nightborne are indeed a specific extreme case. I think no one was this dependent.

[ravenmoon]

You can say that highborne have lost blessings of the aspects during their departure. However, so did the night elves when Nordrassil has been burned. This is a major motivation for Fandral later.

You mean Darth''remar's highborne? That's because they were stripped of it.. as punishment, and cut off from the well, to make sure they could never use the arcane magic of the Well - the night elves and Cenarius must have felt this was the only way to guranatee making them live wouldn't become a threat by them making another attempt to try and use arcane magic.

Remember night elves believed for a long time that the srot of arcane magic that brought the legion could only happen if you used the Well of Eternity. Nordrassil could amak it's energy signature from the twisting nether, and to magical sensitives, - it could also serve as a buffer making it difficult to access the well itself for anyone.. the exception might very well be night elves who are naturally connected to it, so extra measures would have to have been taken.

We know they lost the benefits of the Well AND the World tree - because they lost immortality, lost stature,, became a lot weaker, nearly dying off in that journey, weakened a lot.

This is why people say it was a devolution. Not a massive one, but enough for them to be furious at the Darnassians... and there would have been other unforeseen consequences, like the capacity to handle magic diminished, which would mean less amounts of magic would get them addicted more easily - something they may not realise until the sunwell went - the reason I suspect this is that night elves simply suffused by the Well of Etenrity and Moonwells never get addicted, they only get addicted after ridiculously and excessively using. It is likely the blood elves wer enoet aware they were addicted having surpassed the limits of their devolved forms.

they now do, although they diminished a bit, the Sunwell's arcane energy would have enhanced them a little bit, not as much as they were when night elves, and not as much as a natural connection to the Well of Eternity would do, but the arcane enhances everything, so it would have enhanced them.

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I think they always said "many years". This doesn't say much but if I was to give a random guess, I would give them 40 years like in Exodus.

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I would say longer than that, but who knows. could have been. Afterall, the wilderness journey of the Hebrews is 11 days straight, but it took them 40 years , these guys cross continents, they probably went north, or east , sailed north to Northrend, cut across Northrend, and sailed to Tirisfal, then travelled through till eventually reaching Amani land they rename Quel'thalas.

[FlubberPuddy]

i mean, the entire strength of you argument is try to flip what you do to the other "side", you literally tried to imply people are being hypocrite by not taking devs words(despite we not doing that) while most of the pro side do is nitpicking, ignoring and disregarding dev words for years by now, sounds a lot contradictory to me.

Nah, my point when entering into the teal eyes was that if you wanna call em blue, go ahead. You're the one trying to argue in circles saying "people are doing dmg control now" when I've literally said the people that wanted blue eyes should then be happy about that option and suggested you to share the news as it appears many don't realize that option is coming for them.

You're putting forth arguments for people when there are no arguments being made with that eye color option.

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Just took a gander at the US official forums, doesn't look like anyone's talking about the teal eyes, you should go inform them of such a good discovery you did @Syegfryed

[Obelisk Kai]

So you literally do not have proof for your statement that all high elves will eventually get Golden Eyes. That's all I had to see thanks!

I presented evidence in the form of the Ask CDEV quote and the principle of how the Sunwell acted in the past. That you ignored it is unsurprising. By your own words you have admitted anything you can't reconcile to your view on this topic, even if it comes from the developers, is ignored. Conversely, anything that you agree with, no matter how questionable the source, is exalted.

But the principle stands. Blood Elves and the exiles remain the same race, bound to the same Sunwell and sharing the same destiny, which is really the principle at stake here as nobody expects any universal eye colour shifts within the lifetime of World of Warcraft. Ultimately, the blue eyes are just an eye colour, a circumstance of the moment, held by those elves who were outside Quel'thalas. Just as the golden eyes are just an eye colour, and the green eyes are just an eye colour.
A high elf is as different from a blood elf with green eyes as a blood elf with golden eyes is different from a blood elf with green eyes or a high elf with blue eyes. Thalassian elf eyes just work that way.

[Syegfryed]

Nah, my point when entering into the teal eyes was that if you wanna call em blue, go ahead. You're the one trying to argue in circles saying "people are doing dmg control now" when I've literally said the people that wanted blue eyes should then be happy about that option and suggested you to share the news as it appears many don't realize that option is coming for them.

this is what you said:

Sorry, but Ion said it's not for them. It sounds like you're still fighting for blue eyes to happen when "Word of God" has stated 'it doesn't make sense for how they've evolved'.

How come you're trying to fight the developers statements now when normally you're trying to defend them?

so, no, that was not what you just said.

You're putting forth arguments for people when there are no arguments being made with that eye color option.

people are arguing here that that is not "exactly" blue, or "the right" blue, besides being a shade of blue, and looks like damage control.

Just took a gander at the US official forums, doesn't look like anyone's talking about the teal eyes, you should go inform them of such a good discovery you did @Syegfryed

why they should talk about that, and why is my job to do that, is already confirmed to be an option, people will obviouslly ask for the npcs ones now.

[devilzxlin]

Silver Covenant aren't a Race,runescape is more interesting than world of warcraft,it maybe the best browner games.

[Aldo Hawk]

Silver Covenant aren't a Race

Excuse me but this is a demonstration that you haven't understood a thing, it's there for you to learn if you have the will, I'm not gonna bother given the tone you come out with.