Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[bobwuzhere1224]

A nation is a race? Now I've heard that as well.

A Kul Tiran is a Human, same race as humans from Stormwind, Alterac or Westfall. The Kul Tiran model we have is made after the fat humans from the island Kul Tiras, but there are also humans that looks exactly the same as a human from Stormwind. The model doesn't mean that they are another race. I am lost for words. In this particular argument, the Silver Covenant is not a race, no. But the race in that organization are High Elves. But the poster Aldo Hawk replied to obviously didn't mean to actually come with some real argument.

I am from Norway. But I am still the same race as someone native from Sweden... I mean, come on guys.

Has nothing to do with models. A Human from Kul Tiras is a Kul Tiran. That's their race. Just like a Black person in America is referred to as an African American. The Silver Covenant is not a nation but a small organization working out of Dalaran. That's not a race and can't be compared to a nation like Kul Tiras.

So when that user said The Silver Covenant aren't a race, he was correct. And Aldo tried to correct him but was wrong. Simple as that.

[Highelf]

Has nothing to do with models. A Human from Kul Tiras is a Kul Tiran. That's their race. Just like a Black person in America is referred to as an African American. The Silver Covenant is not a nation but a small organization working out of Dalaran. That's not a race and can't be compared to a nation like Kul Tiras.

So when that user said The Silver Covenant aren't a race, he was correct. And Aldo tried to correct him but was wrong. Simple as that.

Ummmmmm, anyone else want a shot at this?

[bobwuzhere1224]

Ummmmmm, anyone else want a shot at this?

Magic 8-Ball says "All signs point to no."

[Highelf]

Magic 8-Ball says "All signs point to no."

huh? Your description is very false and filled with misinformation.

[bobwuzhere1224]

huh? Your description is very false and filled with misinformation.

Quite the opposite as I've explained already.

[matrix123mko]

To be fair if it doesn't have anything in canon lore that says otherwise, it's fine to take it with a grain of salt. After all, Tandred and the Nightborne were first RPG only entities

Are you sure about the Nightborne? I can't find it on WoWpedia.

[Highelf]

Quite the opposite as I've explained already.

Nope it is.

[bobwuzhere1224]

Nope it is.

Everything I've explained is a fact in real life circumstances and in game lore circumstances.

[Highelf]

Everything I've explained is a fact in real life circumstances and in game lore circumstances.

Maybe in your head.

[Aldo Hawk]

Has nothing to do with models. A Human from Kul Tiras is a Kul Tiran. That's their race. Just like a Black person in America is referred to as an African American. The Silver Covenant is not a nation but a small organization working out of Dalaran. That's not a race and can't be compared to a nation like Kul Tiras.

So when that user said The Silver Covenant aren't a race, he was correct. And Aldo tried to correct him but was wrong. Simple as that.

Look, buddy, I already explained to you that I was not talking about that, but that boiling it all down to it is just a sign of not understanding anything about the matter and also a sign of lack of effort to do so, I am repeating myself just because you seem to not want to comprehend, last time.

[bobwuzhere1224]

Look, buddy, I already explained to you that I was not talking about that, but that boiling it all down to it is just a sign of not understanding anything about the matter and also a sign of lack of effort to do so, I am repeating myself just because you seem to not want to comprehend, last time.

I comprehend fine. You quoted him, responded and were incorrect. All there is to it.

[Doffen]

Ummmmmm, anyone else want a shot at this?

I'll see myself out.

[Isilrien]

Yeah a Nation is a race. To use another real life term would be Racism. You can be racist towards the race from another nation. Or Even towards a race in the nation you live.

Hmmm. So all the Asians, Whites, American Indians, Hispanics, Pacific Islanders, and people of African descent in America should write in "American" as their race, not any of these other categories listed here that the Census Bureau calls a race? I think you're confusing two different things here because, as far as I understand it, a nation isn't a race. Nations are sociopolitical entities, not a group of people who share both physical and cultural characteristics. Granted, race is a slippery concept, but I don't think nation equals race in any instance.

(I'm shaking my head at myself for being drawn into this argument. Walking away now...)

[elbleuet]

A nation is a race...

Nope. Just nope.

[bobwuzhere1224]

Hmmm. So all the Asians, Whites, American Indians, Hispanics, Pacific Islanders, and people of African descent in America should write in "American" as their race, not any of these other categories listed here that the Census Bureau calls a race? I think you're confusing two different things here because, as far as I understand it, a nation isn't a race. Nations are sociopolitical entities, not a group of people who share both physical and cultural characteristics. Granted, race is a slippery concept, but I don't think nation equals race in any instance.

(I'm shaking my head at myself for being drawn into this argument. Walking away now...)

Blizzard certainly thinks it counts considering they sort by Races. After all they have a playable Human from Kul Tiras listed as Kul Tiran on the race screen instead of just Human number 2,3,4, etc.

[Aldo Hawk]

I comprehend fine. You quoted him, responded and were incorrect. All there is to it.

How? Just how? How is it if I was not even questioning that in the first place? Haven't you understood that I didn't questioned the validity of the sentence, but the value of it?

It has zero value the moment the conclusion is useless to anyone, and that conclusion is based on mischaracterization and misunderstanding, how valuable is a comment that shows zero effort into understanding what others say? Can't you see it is a problem that you can't understand this? Jeez...

How valuable and constructive is that, for example, someone is telling his problems to other person, and that other person just tells him that his problems aren't nothing because others have worse?

Others have worse? Of course others can have worse. Is it relevant and valuable to the guy he said it to? No, he will still have that problem regardless if others have worse or not.

Come on, just look at how much explaining you need to be given just because I responded to a comment that was against what I support and support what you do, that's antagonizing behavior taking a toll into your mindedness, that's not okay for the health of the thread's environment.

[bobwuzhere1224]

How? Just how? How is it if I was not even questioning that in the first place? Haven't you understood that I didn't questioned the validity of the sentence, but the value of it?

It has zero value the moment the conclusion is useless to anyone, and that conclusion is based on mischaracterization and misunderstanding, how valuable is a comment that shows zero effort into understanding what others say? Can't you see it is a problem that you can't understand this? Jeez...

How valuable and constructive is that, for example, someone is telling his problems to other person, and that other person just tells him that his problems aren't nothing because others have worse?

Others have worse? Of course others can have worse. Is it relevant and valuable to the guy he said it to? No, he will still have that problem regardless if others have worse or not.

Come on, just look at how much explaining you need to be given just because I responded to a comment that was against what I support and support what you do, that's antagonizing behavior taking a toll into your mindedness, that's not okay for the health of the thread's environment.

Not questioning it? You literally said he didn't understand a thing. You questioned him the moment you quoted his post which was a factual statement as the Silver Covenant is not a race.

You claim it has zero value, but if this was the case, you wouldn't have quoted him to begin with. It's clear you hold value to what he said because it goes against what you believe/like regardless of the fact that's it's true.

It's really not a big deal, I suggest moving on and discussing how High Elves can be reasonably added to the game.

[Aldo Hawk]

Not questioning it? You literally said he didn't understand a thing. You questioned him the moment you quoted his post which was a factual statement as the Silver Covenant is not a race.

You claim it has zero value, but if this was the case, you wouldn't have quoted him to begin with. It's clear you hold value to what he said because it goes against what you believe/like regardless of the fact that's it's true.

It's really not a big deal, I suggest moving on and discussing how High Elves can be reasonably added to the game.

Literally, -literally- that boiling it all down to 'Silver Covenant is not a race' is something so out of the question that bringing it up means you haven't put any effort into understanding anyone nor the matter. Third time that I repeat myself about that.

I am done, if you can't understand that, then it's not my problem, it's just that being so obtuse about it and signaling as if my voice doesn't hold any value at all is pretty unfair, and in fact, I have brought more rationale and mindedness than you, so... There's that.

[bobwuzhere1224]

Literally, -literally- that boiling it all down to 'Silver Covenant is not a race' is something so out of the question that bringing it up means you haven't put any effort into understanding anyone nor the matter. Third time that I repeat myself about that.

I am done, if you can't understand that, then it's not my problem, it's just that being so obtuse about it and signaling as if my voice doesn't hold any value at all is pretty unfair, and in fact, I have brought more rationale and mindedness than you, so... There's that.

I understand it completely. You quoted someone, made a mistake and don't like that someone questioned you about it. Your voice does hold value. As much value as everyone that posts here has, so I suggest just moving on like I suggested before and drop the personal attacks.

[Aldo Hawk]

I understand it completely. You quoted someone, made a mistake and don't like that someone questioned you about it. Your voice does hold value. As much value as everyone that posts here has, so I suggest just moving on like I suggested before and drop the personal attacks.

The only one who made a mistake here was you, I explained very well what I said while you just want to push your personal view on it that is fundamentally the opposite of what I explained it was.

In fact, just look at how much you twisted it that you now say you are that 'someone', when it was another user in the first place that I directed my message at, not you.

Seriously I can't believe this... You are saying I was 'wrong' about something that is not what I said -at all-, you just misunderstood it, purposefully or not, and are just pushing it, and who knows WHY you are doing that.