1. #18061
    Quote Originally Posted by Geisl View Post
    It's going to be great to see so many High Elves!
    And the few people who actually dig the void thematic will be playing them as they started out. Noice.

  2. #18062
    Quote Originally Posted by Dastreus View Post
    I am fucking LIVID that BLOOD ELVES get the high elf eye color. High elves are not a part of the horde! Now all those retarded high elf horde RPers get to live their fucking stupid ass dream of "I just decided to join the horde" like bitch what. Oh yeah, High elves would totes rejoin with their blood elven brethren in the horde... the same horde that genocides over and over. The same horde that saw Nathanos lead a fucking massacre of the high elves of Quel'Lithien Lodge. Oh yeah, they're real hyped to join those murderous maniacs.

    All this, and I could let it slide of void elves got the high elf skin colors and blue eyes so at least there, "high elves are technically playable on alliance now".
    You do realise that was the whole point of opening up customisations, and it's not just unique to blood elves.

    Every race are getting options that give them customisations of groups they previously didn't have access to.

  3. #18063
    Quote Originally Posted by Dastreus View Post
    All this, and I could let it slide of void elves got the high elf skin colors and blue eyes so at least there, "high elves are technically playable on alliance now".
    But that's exactly what they're getting. High Elf skin colors and blue eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    Haha, they would be void elves re-skinning their toons, or night elves that swap to void/high elf.

    Trust, me as a player that plays both factions, and actually likes the two groups of elves a lot, already having blood elf toons for nearly every class, and void elf ones too, I have no inclination to port my horde toons over to the alliance. Or replace them now my void can be peach skinned. 0 motivation.

    High elves will not solve the alliance population crises, people aren't going to start playing alliance because void elves can be high elves now. They will stay with their guilds and communities in the faction that has the best chances of success, or where their friends are. what we will see if hordies who want to mess around on the alliance, and can't stand their races will play a void elf or high elf for kicks, it wont be a seriously played character cos their Belf is in their progress guild on the horde.
    Yes I always believed most people wouldn't move. I'm just waiting to see how such a stupid argument like that turns out to finally not be true once High Elves are available to play.

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    This is great news! I'm glad we finally have a compromise that pleases most.

  6. #18066
    Quote Originally Posted by Broflake View Post
    All I am saying is, this clearly was never about having playable high elves on the alliance. It was, and always has been about skin deep aesthetics.
    It had nothing to do with the lore or anything else.
    I expect this topic will die now.
    In an ideal world, high elves would have their own race. For some of the new customization options, they should be their own races such as wildhammer dwarf and sandfury trolls. Saying they aren't high elves because they are customization options for void elves is just stubbornness on your part. I'm happy for you getting blue eyed blood elves though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    Usually aesthetic defines lore.
    not in this case no, the very point of how people despise void elves was because they were not rly the "high elves who were always alliance" they were part of the "betrayers who abandon their allies to go horde" not the "pure elves who never corrupt themselves" its those elves that we rly want!1!!

    turns out that to majority it was just an excuse to get the white elves, because void elves didn't fit that, so they should add another allied race to fit their tastes, or give the void elves blood elf skin color

    This at least show that HE are not a thing anymore, BE is the future of the HE race, you can get the same color with void elves who came form BE, the actually HE race, since their culture, people, homelands characters, story, is all there.

    Well the High elf megathreads will die out eventually now. But then the change hardly matters too.
    It will, now the people who genuinely cared about lore have nothing to stand on anymore, no support from their fellows, since to most of then, this is more than enough, and because this automatically kills any chance of HE allied race after all.
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  8. #18068
    Quote Originally Posted by Geisl View Post
    It's going to be great to see so many High Elves!
    But...they aren't high elves... they are void elves.

    I thought helfers were all about lore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    not in this case no, the very point of how people despise void elves was because they were not rly the "high elves who were always alliance" not the "betrayers who abandon their allies to go horde" the "pure elves who never corrupt themselves" its those elves that we rly want!1!!

    turns out that to majority it was just an excuse to get the white elves, because void elves didn't fit that, so they should add another allied race to fit their tastes, or give the void elves blood elf skin color

    This at least show that HE are not a thing anymore, BE is the future of the HE race, you can get the same color with void elves who came form BE, the actually HE race, since their culture, people, homelands characters, story, is all there.



    It will, now the people who genuinely cared about lore have nothing to stand on anymore, no support from their fellows, since to most of then, this is more than enough, and because this automatically kills any chance of HE allied race after all.
    Honestly they're the ones who got screwed over hardest. I did not agree with the high elf request but...yeah...this is a case of them getting support from people who never had their interest at heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delus View Post
    In an ideal world, high elves would have their own race. For some of the new customization options, they should be their own races such as wildhammer dwarf and sandfury trolls. Saying they aren't high elves because they are customization options for void elves is just stubbornness on your part. I'm happy for you getting blue eyed blood elves though.
    if you rollback some posts im pretty sure you can find people pro-high elf saying void elves are not rly high elves, but blood elves who are not high elves, so they should do another allied race

  10. #18070
    Quote Originally Posted by delus View Post
    In an ideal world, high elves would have their own race. For some of the new customization options, they should be their own races such as wildhammer dwarf and sandfury trolls. Saying they aren't high elves because they are customization options for void elves is just stubbornness on your part. I'm happy for you getting blue eyed blood elves though.
    What have I stated that is false?
    Alleria is a void elf despite her appearance.
    So too are the void elves. You may be pink skinned, but you're still a void elf.
    Trying to lay claim to something that lore doesn't support is stubborness and frankly, it shows how superficial someone is to make such a claim

  11. #18071
    The amount of seething from posters in here that have apparently spent too much of their time in this thread arguing against playable High Elves and have gotten too entrenched in their naysaying to the point that the stability of their ego is tied to being right, no matter how much they have to engage in mental pretzel gymnastics, is hilarious.

  12. #18072
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    The amount of seething from posters in here that have apparently spent too much of their time in this thread arguing against playable High Elves and have gotten too entrenched in their naysaying to the point that the stability of their ego is tied to being right, no matter how much they have to engage in mental pretzel gymnastics, is hilarious.
    This isn't the lake, you shouldn't cast a hook with bad bait.

  13. #18073
    Quote Originally Posted by Broflake View Post
    This isn't the lake, you shouldn't cast a hook with bad bait.
    This isn't bait because I'm not trying to rile people up.

    People are riled up all on their own and I'm merely observing it and announcing that it amuses me.

  14. #18074
    Quote Originally Posted by Geisl View Post
    Yes I always believed most people wouldn't move. I'm just waiting to see how such a stupid argument like that turns out to finally not be true once High Elves are available to play.
    It was just an excuse to oppose alliance getting playable high elves, because the blood elves on the horde were distinct and very beautiful, beautiful aesthetics, magical fantasy, civilizaiton, and once their hearts switched to it, they jealously guarded it only for the horde. There was no logical reason in any of the arguments - like "number of high elves too low" and population imbalance the only substantial argument at first, lost a lot of credibility in later expansions based on player behaviour, and essentially defunct on the introduction of void elves.

    But this is not the first time such bogus arguments are used by people. In the classic game frame i.e. classic-wotlk, the same mentality produced the arguments that hybrids shouldn't be allowed to do dps like pures - it was rubbish, and a pure "i don't want your class to get buffed over mine", the major argument of the day against competitive dps for hybird classes was that "it would make pures obsolete" - which is the daftest thing possible, but players really believed that. I remember trying to argue that it is playstyle and fun factor that ultimately determines a classes playability. As for taking someone to a raid, it's player skill that should be the determination, but if you gave each class a useful utility everyone would be welcome provided they put out the same output.

    Guess what in WotLK, GCs bring the player not hte class was implmented, the biggest change for that was hybrids getting competitive with so called pures - proving that argument was defunct.


    Now some horde fans are arguing that night elves shouldn't have or wield arcane magic or get cities at all - because.. <insert another new slew of bogus reasoning>, which is basically a front for, "i like that blood elves have arcane magic and pretty elven cities, so alliance elves shouldn't get it. When nightborne came in, clearly a night elven group, this was promptly ignored in favour of distancing nightborne from night elf as if to say, highborne, Suramar, arcane magic, none of that is night elven (except they clearly all are), so night elves shoudln't have highborne (but they always have and already do as playable) and shouldn't have cities (they were introduced with a capital in wow, and their WC3 lore introduction told that they had a global wondrous empire the legion destroyed which is why they were in the no arcane phase - at least for that group of night elves). Yet the introduction of the night elf mages, unification of the night elven arcane and nature groups is ingored or severly downplayed because supposedly night elves should only be about living in forests and trees and ruins - and having anything else is supposedly damaging the night elves and not being very night elven (completely ignoring the night elven lore) (but essentially saying "no, cool magic and pretty cities is for our elves, you can't have it"

  15. #18075
    Quote Originally Posted by DeicideUH View Post
    I'm happy. My character can look more like I envisioned her.

    I still want more lore. And I hope we get more hairstyles and tattoos when the time comes for allied race improvement later.

    I feel a little for those who wanted to play paladins, but I always thought them unlikely even for high elves.

    But adding these skins now is a true compromise and I'm really excited about it.
    DeicideUH, you were one of the very first ones here and on the official forums to point out that this was probably the direction Blizzard would go. You always had well reasoned arguments, and it looks like you were right! Congrats.

  16. #18076
    For anyone who doesn't get how High Elves could be with the Void Elves:

    In Telogrus Rift, there are a number of High Elves (and Blood Elves) training to harness the void. They aren't voided over and just like Alleria, they probably won't be, since the Void Elves we've been playing up until now were the result of a very specific event that changed them forever. It makes sense that any Void Elves after that won't necessarily look the same since they haven't been exposed to the same circumstances.

  17. #18077
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    This isn't bait because I'm not trying to rile people up.

    People are riled up all on their own and I'm merely observing it and announcing that it amuses me.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37OWL7AzvHo

    Moving on

    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    It was just an excuse to oppose alliance getting playable high elves, because the blood elves on the horde were distinct and very beautiful, beautiful aesthetics, magical fantasy, civilizaiton, and once their hearts switched to it, they jealously guarded it only for the horde. There was no logical reason in any of the arguments - like "number of high elves too low" and population imbalance the only substantial argument at first, lost a lot of credibility in later expansions based on player behaviour, and essentially defunct on the introduction of void elves.

    But this is not the first time such bogus arguments are used by people. In the classic game frame i.e. classic-wotlk, the same mentality produced the arguments that hybrids shouldn't be allowed to do dps like pures - it was rubbish, and a pure "i don't want your class to get buffed over mine", the major argument of the day against competitive dps for hybird classes was that "it would make pures obsolete" - which is the daftest thing possible, but players really believed that. I remember trying to argue that it is playstyle and fun factor that ultimately determines a classes playability. As for taking someone to a raid, it's player skill that should be the determination, but if you gave each class a useful utility everyone would be welcome provided they put out the same output.

    Guess what in WotLK, GCs bring the player not hte class was implmented, the biggest change for that was hybrids getting competitive with so called pures - proving that argument was defunct.


    Now some horde fans are arguing that night elves shouldn't have or wield arcane magic or get cities at all - because.. <insert another new slew of bogus reasoning>, which is basically a front for, "i like that blood elves have arcane magic and pretty elven cities, so alliance elves shouldn't get it. When nightborne came in, clearly a night elven group, this was promptly ignored in favour of distancing nightborne from night elf as if to say, highborne, Suramar, arcane magic, none of that is night elven (except they clearly all are), so night elves shoudln't have highborne (but they always have and already do as playable) and shouldn't have cities (they were introduced with a capital in wow, and their WC3 lore introduction told that they had a global wondrous empire the legion destroyed which is why they were in the no arcane phase - at least for that group of night elves). Yet the introduction of the night elf mages, unification of the night elven arcane and nature groups is ingored or severly downplayed because supposedly night elves should only be about living in forests and trees and ruins - and having anything else is supposedly damaging the night elves and not being very night elven (completely ignoring the night elven lore) (but essentially saying "no, cool magic and pretty cities is for our elves, you can't have it"
    I cannot agree with the comparison. For one, the night elves already had lore which justified them getting mages and practicing arcane magic and the like. Lte alone it is a class, it is not a part of the overall theme for the night elves. Where as in the case of the blood elves, all the lore has currently been built with them being on the horde and being distinctly different from the high elf people. It helps to define factions, both in their appearance and what they offer.
    People opposed high elves because they want distinction to remain.
    I go to the alliance if I want to play a worgen, but when we water things down for the void elves why should we stop there?
    If all that matters is pleasing people aesthetically, then there really is no need to have the faction boundaries at such a point bcause what makes them distinctive design wise has been completely removed.


    Hence, why I would oppose high elves just as I would oppose worgen on the Horde.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    For anyone who doesn't get how High Elves could be with the Void Elves:

    In Telogrus Rift, there are a number of High Elves (and Blood Elves) training to harness the void. They aren't voided over and just like Alleria, they probably won't be, since the Void Elves we've been playing up until now were the result of a very specific event that changed them forever. It makes sense that any Void Elves after that won't necessarily look the same since they haven't been exposed to the same circumstances.
    Errr...what about their racials though? Those generally tend to be ingrained for the VE's in particular.

  18. #18078
    Quote Originally Posted by Broflake View Post
    Errr...what about their racials though? Those generally tend to be ingrained for the VE's in particular.
    Their void form racial would probably just work the same way it does for Alleria, but on smaller scale, is what I'm assuming.

  19. #18079
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    if you rollback some posts im pretty sure you can find people pro-high elf saying void elves are not rly high elves, but blood elves who are not high elves, so they should do another allied race
    It is kind of awkward implementing new races through customization options but this is how they intend to do it. This is how they intend to go forward with the allied race concept. Allied races were kind of narrow and had limited customization on their own but they were meant to expand player customization.

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    Arcane torrent doesn't really work well for blood elves either.

  20. #18080
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Their void form racial would probably just work the same way it does for Alleria, but on smaller scale, is what I'm assuming.
    Yeah but Alleria is a void elf as well remember? Of course, this does grant people to possibly use high elves as an origin story. We'll see what happens in SL.

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