Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[matrix123mko]

They cant be paladins tohugh since paladins are filled with the light. Something about lightforged makes them different though

Paladins aren't filled with light. This is a popular headcanon.

[Broflake]

Paladins aren't filled with light. This is a popular headcanon.

Its because i Arthas, when he becomes a paladin is able to lift his hammer as if it is nothing.
Furthermore, it has been shown void and light cancel each other out entirely.
This is supported by the nature of the blood knights as well who infused themselves with the Naaru' power to be blood knights.

[Ardenaso]

Paladins aren't filled with light. This is a popular headcanon.

given that Paladins are immune to blight and disease I'd say yes

[Varodoc]

I don't know...did you copypasta his quote tag?

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From a gameplay perspective they would be.

No, they would not be at all. Blood Knight is not a class.

[Broflake]

No, they would not be at all. Blood Knight is not a class.

Blood knights are paladins Varadoc. Seriously, I fail to understand your recalcitrance.

[Swnem]

How about we don't give void elves everything that blood elves have including class combos that require the sunwell?
Unless blood elves are getting light tentacles for hair and other unnatural colors.

This is really a case of giving a mouse a cookie.
Why would anyone play a blood elf if void elves offer much more?

I mean... lightforged shadow priests are a thing, so i don't see why not. Heck, there are even undead paladins in lore.
Stop wanting to restrict choices. It's the dumbest thing in wow.
Said it time and again. Our characters are not canon. Makes no sense to limit player choices. They are our original creations with whatever story we want to imagine they have. It has zero impact in the game story or lore.
Only druids make some sense cause they require unique models and dev time. But, aside from that, all class combos should be possible.

[Syegfryed]

Wrong. Void elves still wouldn't have Demon Hunter. So your entire argument is moot.

Also, why should I reject these aesthetics? Alleria is a void elf who can retain her high elf form. Pink skin tones were always part of Void elf identity and aesthetic.

mind you, people are also asking void elves to be demon hunter, so no he isn't wrong.

people literally want everything blood elves have and more, something we warned before, and is a completely stupid and entitled attitude

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I mean... lightforged shadow priests are a thing, so i don't see why not. Heck, there are even undead paladins in lore.
Stop wanting to restrict choices. It's the dumbest thing in wow.

and void elves are already disc and holy priests, is enough

if you rly want a paladin elf, go horde, ask night elves to be one, i agree we should ease the class/race combo, but lets not get too crazy

[Varodoc]

Blood knights are paladins Varadoc. Seriously, I fail to understand your recalcitrance.

So are Sunwalkers. Do Sunwalkers steal Blood Knights identity? Do Farstriders steal Sentinels identity?

[shoc]

Really? People want Void Elves to be Paladins? Didn't they play the Void Elf acquisition quest? Void Elves can't even come to close proximity of the Sunwell without threatening the Blood Elves very existence, let alone fill themselves with the Light.

The only reason Void Elves can be Priests is for Shadow Priest.

[Sharby]

Really? People want Void Elves to be Paladins? Didn't they play the Void Elf acquisition quest? Void Elves can't even come to close proximity of the Sunwell without threatening the Blood Elves very existence, let alone fill themselves with the Light.

The only reason Void Elves can be Priests is for Shadow Priest.

Lightforged can still be death knights with no additional lore and still retain their light rune + light-based racials.

[DeicideUH]

Lightforged can still be death knights with no additional lore and still retain their light rune + light-based racials.

Lightforged and void elf DKs really require some special explanation that was never given.

[Sharby]

Lightforged and void elf DKs really require some special explanation that was never given.

And until its given there really is no good argument for not having velf paladins in so far as every class combo 'needs lore' to back it up.

[Frenchvince]

Really? People want Void Elves to be Paladins? Didn't they play the Void Elf acquisition quest? Void Elves can't even come to close proximity of the Sunwell without threatening the Blood Elves very existence, let alone fill themselves with the Light.

The only reason Void Elves can be Priests is for Shadow Priest.

To sum it up, people want their paladin now that they can be a high-elf with the new customizations of the void elves.

[Broflake]

So are Sunwalkers. Do Sunwalkers steal Blood Knights identity? Do Farstriders steal Sentinels identity?

Sunwalkers aren't void elves asking for a Paladin class.
Sunwalkers also don't share the same appearance as blood elves either.
Farstriders are rangers, and they don't steal the sentinel's identity because night elves are a different thing.

I am not sure why you insist on throwing out red herrings. You couldn't even admit being wrong about blood knights being paladins.

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Lightforged and void elf DKs really require some special explanation that was never given.

It was explained long ago.
When you die, the light/void leave your body.
Deathmagic is not opposed to either of those two forces as well

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I mean... lightforged shadow priests are a thing, so i don't see why not. Heck, there are even undead paladins in lore.

Lightforged shadow priests are a thing because of gameplay design. You can't restrict specs the way you can classes.
undead paladins are also explained as well.

Stop wanting to restrict choices. It's the dumbest thing in wow.

It is a part of WoW. Stop trying to make everyone the same and water it down.

Said it time and again. Our characters are not canon. Makes no sense to limit player choices. They are our original creations with whatever story we want to imagine they have. It has zero impact in the game story or lore.
Only druids make some sense cause they require unique models and dev time. But, aside from that, all class combos should be possible.

It is the way WoW is.
Frankly, its bad enough void elves steal the blood elf theme, why take their paladin class too?

[DeicideUH]

It was explained long ago.
When you die, the light/void leave your body.
Deathmagic is not opposed to either of those two forces as well

Which is a terrible explanation, because if the void/light abandon the body, then they shouldn't be lightforged or void elf DKs. They'd just regular draenei or blood elves. Either they should be protected from undeath, or undeath should take away their powers.

It's exactly the kind of lorelol that would allow light-infused void elves.

[Aldo Hawk]

Resignation is not met with a "OH YES WE GOT THESE OPTIONS I CAN BE THIS NOW!".
Again, it was never about lore, it was about aesthetics like I said all along.

Honestly, this really hurts the faction boundary.

I don't understand why you use the forums as a place to throw your complaints at. It's not even the official forums.

Also.. You have been explained what people preferred, and they preferred an Allied Race.

So... It's intellectually dishonest to just say that now that they can have High elves, at least on looks, you come out saying this. What's your intention, Bruhflake? To endlessly complain? To bait people into fruitless exchanges so you can feel you are vindicating yourself?

In fact, @Gurluas told you that they are at least enjoying a - real - compromise now, implying they - wanted - something else. But you don't like it because you desired for people to bee (xd) all sad, that's salty man.

Tell us then, what's youw intwention with these kwind of pwosts? :·3

[Ielenia]

I read an interesting lore rationale for Void Elf Paladins (or Void Knights if you prefer). Basically put, the organization of VE Paladins are those Void Elves who feel their transformation by Durzaan has made them monsters, and sought an infusion of the Light as a "cure" for their condition. The infusion was surprisingly successful, but it did not fix the condition of being tainted by the Void - and now the Light and Void exist at once within them, causing violent feedback loops that are exceedingly painful when these Paladins channel their light abilities. A beneficial side-effect, however, is that the surges of pain also blanket out the cacophony of the Void and make the voice of the Light all the more clarion. The Void Knights embrace their self-sacrifice to show that the ren'dorei are not lost to the Void, and that even when shrouded by the Void's touch can still reach out to embrace the Light.

I... honestly like this idea. A pity this is never going to happen because we know Blizzard has not shown that level of creativity for class design options, unfortunately.

[FlubberPuddy]

I... honestly like this idea. A pity this is never going to happen because we know Blizzard has not shown that level of creativity for class design options, unfortunately.

It's a great way to go about it too considering that Void Elves are all about 'control'.

Plus, WoW's always had Light/Void have a sense of duality. Ashbringer was created from a very dark shadowy object. Naarus can change states between Light and Void.

Plus Tauren Paladins are 'lorewise' Sun Druids. Paladin is just the gameplay aspect of it.

Could always make VE have some 'void knight' but it plays as Paladin in gameplay. Especially if class skins happen.

[Aldo Hawk]

It's a great way to go about it too considering that Void Elves are all about 'control'.

Plus, WoW's always had Light/Void have a sense of duality. Ashbringer was created from a very dark shadowy object. Naarus can change states between Light and Void.

Plus Tauren Paladins are 'lorewise' Sun Druids. Paladin is just the gameplay aspect of it.

Could always make VE have some 'void knight' but it plays as Paladin in gameplay. Especially if class skins happen.

I mean, I understand that you want this new option to be as complete as possible, but the backstory of it is officially still Void elven.

What does this mean? Yeah sure, now there are Void elves that don't look like the original ones, and there might even be new ones that don't look like that because their process to become a Void elf was different, and some of them would be the High elves we all asked for given the way the new ones look and the fact that there are actual High elves learning the void in Telogrus.

So... I think asking for entropic embrace to not proc or to have a different visual, or asking for some more natural hair colors is more than okay, but classes? Let's not forget 'Wildhammer' Dwarves can be paladins, what's with that? Oh yes, it's Blizzard being cheap and half-assed.

From my part I'm happy people can now actually play High elves somehow (or more, an even more specific kind of High elf), and not some strange crap that was a Blood elf yesterday. But I think there's still some way to go, and some more things that could actually be achievable in the future. And you all have seen it, not enough anti people being dense, fallacious and intellectually dishonest have done anything to stop this and even to get us anything, so don't give up on anything because some 4 poor dudes come to the forums all day every day just to make sure something they don't like doesn't happen.

But that's where I'm not going to be, on Void elf paladins, since these new High elves might be actual High elves, but surely they don't align with the Light, since these new ones went to Telogrus to willfully learn the Void.

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Whether they're willing or not, it's he who raises them because he has the power to do that. That's my only point, specifically in comparison to Demon Hunters and their creation.

You were literally arguing that there was not a reason anymore to train new Demon Hunters and that 'because they want to' would be a bad argument.

Then I pointed out at new DKs seeming to be individuals willingly deciding so, for not apparent reason, not that if it makes sense that a Lich King could do that or not, that's out of question.

I mean, your words literally are: 'The driving force behind the creation and training of Demon Hunters is no longer there so what motivations are there to become a Demon Hunter? I'd be "satisfied" with them going....because I want to...but honestly that really doesn't make sense and is really really weak.'

Your point was also that 'because they want to' is a bad excuse regarding these kind of classes, not that if it makes sense that a damn Lich King can create new DKs or not, which has always been out of the question - by the way -.

[DeicideUH]

From my part I'm happy, and now focused on suggesting ideas on how to enhance void elf customization to appease both void and high elf fans without taking anything more from blood elves. I think a lot of old requests regarding high elves could now be inherited by void elves, like colored tattoos, dual-color hair, some of the hair styles suggested for high elves and so on.

As for the paladin class, I think for now that's out of question. Maybe in a future date, when Blizzard decides to increase class/race combinations, it may be considered, but for now I think it's a waste of effort, as it's very unlikely to happen, and the deal we got cover most of the would-be high elf classes.

ANother thing that bothers me is the lack of void elf lore, and unfortunately Shadowlands will be a terrible expansion to develop it. I'm hoping with this update Blizzard won't shy away from using high elves anymore, and we will eventually get more high/void elf lore when we return to Azeroth.