Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Kyriani]

I mean that's easy for you to say but we have no proof there is going to be any equity for other people who want more for their favorite races which have been clearly neglected. Nice of you to be so generous.

I have a feeling that, at the very least, the first four allied races are getting some love for Shadowlands launch. We've already seen that Void Elves are getting some, and there's no reason the other three couldn't "inherit" whatever goodies their parent races get so long as it makes sense for the race. I wouldn't expect the Nightborne to get the body markings but I have a pretty strong suspicion they are going to get a bunch of the Night Elf skin tones. I can only hope that they also get some options to make them look closer to their NPCs as well.

Just allowing the first four to inherit things from their parent races is an easy win for Blizzard because it requires very little effort on their part to do and you know that Blizzard (like any other business) likes to get a lot of return for very little investment. :P

[Broflake]

Are they? Just because they're saying some people are accepting the compromise doesn't mean "this is what they wanted".

That is the definition of a compromise.
If a compromise gives you exactly what you wanted, then it isn't a compromise. That is what compromise means. When you talk salt with the sugar.

They were not. It's only a compromise in the way of Blizzard saying "how about I give you exactly none of what you're asking, and you guys shut up?" We didn't have the lore. Or the "high elf" name. The void elf allied race gave the pro-high-elf community nothing they asked about.

I beg to differ, because it only took a color change to make you, and several other helfers to begin clapping their hands with approval and completely forgetting to have them as a separate AR.
Like...please, you can't keep that up when your actions say otherwise.
You got quite a bit, your denial of it doesn't mean much, but hey, it just goes to show.
when you give a mouse a cookie
First void elves, now skins, and now people asking for void elf paladins and silvermoon as a base.

The model design is meaningless.

To you? Maybe.
Objectively? It means quite a bit. The model is the exact same as the blood elf, separated only by color. So the model may not matter to you, but color does?
That is insightful

If it was, there wouldn't be so many discussion in this mega-thread about ways to make the high elves look different from blood elves. It's about the lore.

No it isn't, because if it was about lore you wouldn't suggest ways of making high elves, the exact same people from the same region separated by only a decade of time, look different from blood elves.
That isn't respecting lore, that is the opposite.
Its like people who thank a McDonalds worker for their meal but doesn't believe in them making a livable wage. You were in it for looks.
Your joy with a simply skin color change is indicative of it.

In return of what? They're losing absolutely nothing to get something "in return".

Its like you read, but you ignore it.
Void elves have void theme and blood/high elf theme.
Blood elves have blood elf theme, and no other theme.
So yeah, what do they get in return?
This is simply math.
1+? = 2
Blood elves need the 1

Because it's not a compromise, since the void elves gave absolutely nothing of what was being asked for.

That is the definition of a compromise where you dont get everything you want. Sorry.

So they now can have similar skin colors. Alright. So what? I'll repeat: what are the blood elves losing? No skin color is being removed from the blood elves, as far as I know.

Honestly dude, you're being incredibly obtuse. Blood elves literally lost a theme to void elves. You don't need to remove something for it to be lost. If you can't have an honest discussion, then itrs better for you to just say.

"I dont care that i look the exact same as a blood elf. Thats what I wanted."

[Kyriani]

In fairness I'd wouldn't say that Void Elves will have the Blood Elf theme, only the Void Elf theme and soon the High Elf theme.

While Blood Elves still have the Blood Elf theme and soon the High Elf theme. I'm also holding out hope for the San'layn/Dark Ranger customization for those themes as well.

Also... how does one "lose" a theme? I can see how one can "share" a theme, but I don't see Blood Elves "losing" anything.

[Starla]

I have a feeling that, at the very least, the first four allied races are getting some love for Shadowlands launch. We've already seen that Void Elves are getting some, and there's no reason the other three couldn't "inherit" whatever goodies their parent races get so long as it makes sense for the race. I wouldn't expect the Nightborne to get the body markings but I have a pretty strong suspicion they are going to get a bunch of the Night Elf skin tones. I can only hope that they also get some options to make them look closer to their NPCs as well.

Just allowing the first four to inherit things from their parent races is an easy win for Blizzard because it requires very little effort on their part to do and you know that Blizzard (like any other business) likes to get a lot of return for very little investment. :P

With absolutely no proof or evidence you feel free to share this feeling? It's kind of sad because it just comes off as insensitivity to the people who love the races they play and have been given little attention.

Also I wasn't addressing you but another person.

[Molvonos]

With absolutely no proof or evidence you feel free to share this feeling? It's kind of sad because it just comes off as insensitivity to the people who love the races they play and have been given little attention.

Also I wasn't addressing you but another person.

I don't understand your problem.

We're allowed to post our opinions and feelings. They specifically stated 'I have a feeling', which is a disclaimer. You're acting like it's an attack on you 'and the people who love the races'. Like, how thin exactly is your skin?

[Broflake]

In fairness I'd wouldn't say that Void Elves will have the Blood Elf theme, only the Void Elf theme and soon the High Elf theme.

While Blood Elves still have the Blood Elf theme and soon the High Elf theme. I'm also holding out hope for the San'layn/Dark Ranger customization for those themes as well.

Also... how does one "lose" a theme? I can see how one can "share" a theme, but I don't see Blood Elves "losing" anything.

The blood elf theme has been pushed as being the high elf theme. The only thing that was ever missing was the blue eyes which was given to them. So it wasn't as if they gained that theme recently. They had it since TBC.
The problem is the void elf change means they can play a void theme OR a high elf theme.

So now, its a 2 to 1 situation.
Simply because they don't bring anything design wise that is unique to themselves that separates them from those on the alliance. It is why MMOs almost never share races, not even skin colors, because aesthetics are such a powerful facet that it affects the way the game is perceived.

So now, you have blood elves who...offer paladins. Which you can get thorugh zandalari/tauren as well. That's about it though, and Paladins aren't even a necessary or wanted class.
Which velfers (because lets be real they never cared for high elves just the skins) also want.


So...if a void elf gives me more than blood elves do? Why are blood elves even an option? Despite being the original option, they've become redundant and inferior.

[Molvonos]

The blood elf theme has been pushed as being the high elf theme. The only thing that was ever missing was the blue eyes which was given to them. So it wasn't as if they gained that theme recently. They had it since TBC.
The problem is the void elf change means they can play a void theme OR a high elf theme.

So now, its a 2 to 1 situation.
Simply because they don't bring anything design wise that is unique to themselves that separates them from those on the alliance. It is why MMOs almost never share races, not even skin colors, because aesthetics are such a powerful facet that it affects the way the game is perceived.

So now, you have blood elves who...offer paladins. Which you can get thorugh zandalari/tauren as well. That's about it though, and Paladins aren't even a necessary or wanted class.
Which velfers (because lets be real they never cared for high elves just the skins) also want.


So...if a void elf gives me more than blood elves do? Why are blood elves even an option? Despite being the original option, they've become redundant and inferior.

There's way too much opinion in your post painted as fact to take seriously.

No type of class is 'necessary'. You can tank as a warrior, guardian druid, vengeance demon hunter or blood death knight instead of a paladin.

You can heal as (inserts list of healers). You can dps as (inserts list of dps).

But to say they're unwanted is utterly untrue by any metric of definition.

To say they're redundant and inferior is utterly untrue.

If we're stating bias -- Blood Elf racials are superior to Void Elf racials.

If you're trying to talk on behalf of high elves, you're doing a pretty bad job of it.

If you're trying to talk on behalf of blood elves? You're doing a pretty bad job of it.

So what exactly were you intending with this post?

[Broflake]

There's way too much opinion in your post painted as fact to take seriously.

Counter it then. There is a reason in game design, a palette swap changed the perception of players for mobs, even if the design is the same.
Cost effective, and it affects perception.

No type of class is 'necessary'. You can tank as a warrior, guardian druid, vengeance demon hunter or blood death knight instead of a paladin.

You either don't do any form of hardcore M+ or raiding. There are classes that are preferred, and classes that are not.
Paladins, are not.
Secondly, they are also a part of the unique offering of blood elf, which velfers want.

To say they're redundant and inferior is utterly untrue.

This is a statement, not a counter.
What do you get playing a blood elf that you would not get playing a void elf?
Paladin.
Alliance has the best paladins, so, not a concern, and light doesnt mesh with void.

If we're stating bias -- Blood Elf racials are superior to Void Elf racials.

That's a cool story to tell until you realize the DPS difference is 0.99%, and that the void elves teleport ability provides significantly greater utility and mobility than arcane torrents niche use.
There is also the much more practical cost reduction for mogs so...yeah.
The superior argument doesn't work for anyone that can do basic math.
Oh, and that 1% difference, shrinks further on any class than stacking crit...which ismost.

If you're trying to talk on behalf of high elves, you're doing a pretty bad job of it.

If you're trying to talk on behalf of void elves, you're doing a pretty bad job of it.

If you're trying to talk on behalf of blood elves? You're doing a pretty bad job of it.

If you're trying to talk on behalf of...
Sorry, one should be enough to get the point across.
Your entire post is nothing but assumptions and claims bereft of actual counter arguments.
You havent addressed my points regarding theme.
You came out of nowhere bringing up the trinity of the RPG as if it has anybearing on the context of this discussion

So what exactly were you intending with this post?

if you are asking this question then you are admiring a mirror.

Question...whats the deal with your sig and who is Jonnusthegreat? Is it some dude who got in trouble or something?

[shoc]

If you want to play a High Elf, the Alliance and Horde are there for you.

[Broflake]

If you want to play a High Elf, the Alliance and Horde are there for you.

Essentially.
I guess nightborne will soon get a night elf model.

Anyways, I think no one will agree to anything, and this topic served its purpose.
So...i am outtie Velfers

[Strippling]

Same applies to you. If you want to claim that blood elves are "losing" something, you have to show what they are losing, and why do you think they're losing it.

Blood elves are losing aesthetics that were unique to them. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to acknowledge this. Regardless, the skin tones have been shared now but it doesn't mean that their hair colors or styles need to be shared also. That is pretty much one of the only remaining features left for blood elves that distinguish them. Take that away from them (by giving it to void elves) and you essentially end up with an Alliance AR (based on a core horde race) having pretty much all of their parents race customizations PLUS their own unique void customizations. The skin color alone was a HUGE gain for void elves, leave the hair colors and styles that are unique to blood elves with the blood elves thanks.

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In fairness I'd wouldn't say that Void Elves will have the Blood Elf theme, only the Void Elf theme and soon the High Elf theme.

While Blood Elves still have the Blood Elf theme and soon the High Elf theme. I'm also holding out hope for the San'layn/Dark Ranger customization for those themes as well.

Also... how does one "lose" a theme? I can see how one can "share" a theme, but I don't see Blood Elves "losing" anything.

Sharing a theme results in the blood elves losing something that was unique to them. What was lost? One aspect that made blood elves unique. Are you saying more of what makes them unique should be shared (ie hair colors)? It's a subjective topic but you would be disingenuous if you think the blood elves have lost nothing with void elves getting their skin colors (their new skin colors too which were meant to be a unique new customization option for blood elves).

The cards have been dealt, and the skin colors will now be shared, but that doesn't mean it is acceptable to continue taking blood elf aesthetics and giving them to void elves. Sure, give void elves more options, heck give every race and AR more options... but keep those options unique so that there is a level of immersion and pride within each race. Else we might as well scrap the race system and just make your player character a human who can have horns, tusks, fur, etcc...

[shoc]

Else we might as well scrap the race system and just make your player character a human who can have horns, tusks, fur, etcc...

You say that like it's a bad thing.

[FlubberPuddy]

Essentially.
I guess nightborne will soon get a night elf model.

Anyways, I think no one will agree to anything, and this topic served its purpose.
So...i am outtie Velfers

I think the High Elf request shows that people should spend more time advocating for options they want instead of trying to deny any sorts of options from others.

Aka, focus on yo self and what you want.

Like me personally, I don't give a shit about what Blood Elves get or can do or how they're portrayed.

Because I got my Alliance High Elves now I can focus on making further requests for how that can be improved and whatever the fuck happens to Horde races/Horde story I don't have to give a shit about.

This is your typical player behavior btw, everyone focuses more on whatever aspect they want furthered in the game and aren't beholden to some 'balance standard' where they have to think of every other area of the game or what other players want.

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With absolutely no proof or evidence you feel free to share this feeling? It's kind of sad because it just comes off as insensitivity to the people who love the races they play and have been given little attention.

I think this post is coming off as being too passive-aggressive rather than Kyri's coming off an insensitive (doesn't at all honestly). Aren't you happy and glad you got your blue eyed blood elves? You spammed the twitter hashtag a lot for it.

Everyone wins!

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Else we might as well scrap the race system and just make your player character a human who can have horns, tusks, fur, etcc...

This is kinda funny considering Horde are still campaigning for Nathanos/Derek Proudmoore style Undead. Basically proper human undead. I think it's clear that the vast majority are those that want more options than less.

It's not as if the High Elf request itself was truly niche/minor (if it were Blizzard wouldn't have granted it the way they did).

[Strippling]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Other MMO's are that way -------->

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This is kinda funny considering Horde are still campaigning for Nathanos/Derek Proudmoore style Undead. Basically proper human undead. I think it's clear that the vast majority are those that want more options than less.

It's not as if the High Elf request itself was truly niche/minor (if it were Blizzard wouldn't have granted it the way they did).

I've barely seen threads asking for Nathanos style undead. They're a rare thing, so don't be no naive in thinking it's a customization asked for by "Horde".

I never said the high elf request was niche. You yourself though said not even 2 weeks ago that "you don't want blood elves", now you're saying "I hope we get blood elf hair colors and styles". So, you didn't want the race but you want their customizations? You also argued with me constantly about how you wanted high elves cause of their "lore", now your advocating for void elf paladins which breaks the lore.

I've accepted that void elves will have access to ALL of the blood elf skin tones, but I certainly don't feel they should have access to their hair options too.

Also, you argued with Obelisk on many occasions that "void elves aren't high elves", now you're saying "yay alliance high elves will be playable". Obelisk even stated on several occasions that the high elf wayfarers in Telogrus Rift implied that high elves were joining the void elf ranks, but you and several others contended this and said "there's no proof, that's just your headcanon". Lo and behold, Taliesin makes a video saying the exact same thing and now y'all are like "high elves are joining the void elves so let's have those light skin and hair options". Again, congratulations on the win.. just don't be hypocritical.

I'm an advocate for races maintaining unique aesthetics, it's what gives the whole race selection part of the game meaning and immersion. I personally don't want Nathanos style undead, as I agree that it kinda takes away from humans. I'd much rather dark ranger elf options, as they are a Horde feature and would be based of the Horde blood elf model. Likewise, Eredar for Horde? No thanks. Alteraci humans for Horde? No thanks. Moknathol? yes please. Same for san'layn and ogres.

[Doffen]

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I've barely seen threads asking for Nathanos style undead. They're a rare thing, so don't be no naive in thinking it's a customization asked for by "Horde".

I never said the high elf request was niche. You yourself though said not even 2 weeks ago that "you don't want blood elves", now you're saying "I hope we get blood elf hair colors and styles". So, you didn't want the race but you want their customizations? You also argued with me constantly about how you wanted high elves cause of their "lore", now your advocating for void elf paladins which breaks the lore.

I've accepted that void elves will have access to ALL of the blood elf skin tones, but I certainly don't feel they should have access to their hair options too.

Also, you argued with Obelisk on many occasions that "void elves aren't high elves", now you're saying "yay alliance high elves will be playable". Obelisk even stated on several occasions that the high elf wayfarers in Telogrus Rift implied that high elves were joining the void elf ranks, but you and several others contended this and said "there's no proof, that's just your headcanon". Lo and behold, Taliesin makes a video saying the exact same thing and now y'all are like "high elves are joining the void elves so let's have those light skin and hair options". Again, congratulations on the win.. just don't be hypocritical.

I'm an advocate for races maintaining unique aesthetics, it's what gives the whole race selection part of the game meaning and immersion. I personally don't want Nathanos style undead, as I agree that it kinda takes away from humans. I'd much rather dark ranger elf options, as they are a Horde feature and would be based of the Horde blood elf model. Likewise, Eredar for Horde? No thanks. Alteraci humans for Horde? No thanks. Moknathol? yes please. Same for san'layn and ogres.

"Blood Elves are our High Elves"

Still thinking that matters when it was said as a TBC hype gimmick and was obsolete when TBC launched. Not everything that is said on blizzcon or other kind of events are meant to be factual. Lot of what they say during these kind of events and promotions are just meant to be a hype factor. I guess 13 years of convincing evidence was finally enough to prove that citation wrong. Metzen himself didn't like the idea of Blood Elves in the Horde according to the Burning Crusade Behind the Scene(iirc the title) Makes you think how little stuff like those quotes matters.

Just some more candy from 2012:
"I'm trying to think of Horde races. I guess only blood elves feel like the odd man out for the Horde. I hope that we've engineered that into it as deftly as we could, but you know, it's the equivalent of a bunch of white chicks hanging out with goblin or tauren. It's weird. "

What obelisk argued is non-canon yes, and Taliesin is wrong saying it is canon. It has not happened yet so as far as canon lore, no, Void Elves are still only former Blood Elves. It's a non-argueable fact. That it might happen in the future, like I and probably others have said, is a possibility. And the High Elf wayfarers in Telogrus only implies that they are interested in learning, and thats it. Not to mention the blue post about the change in customization says blood elf options for Void Elves.

But, if they now make lore that shows the High Elf and Silvermoon Scholars can turn into Void Elves in a controlled matter like Alleria may explain the change in skin color for Void Elves. Someone tried to stir a discussion a couple of weeks ago when they said the new blue eyes for Void Elves was blizzard preparing for this event. That High Elves goes Void Elves. I don't think that was a "win" they wanted seeing Blizzard went all in on customization.

Thalassian Elves are our High Elves btw. Since 2004.

[Strippling]

"Blood Elves are our High Elves"

Still thinking that matters when it was said as a TBC hype gimmick and was obsolete when TBC launched. Not everything that is said on blizzcon or other kind of events are meant to be factual. Lot of what they say during these kind of events and promotions are just meant to be a hype factor. I guess 13 years of convincing evidence was finally enough to prove that citation wrong. Metzen himself didn't like the idea of Blood Elves in the Horde according to the Burning Crusade Behind the Scene(iirc the title) Makes you think how little stuff like those quotes matters.

Just some more candy from 2012:
"I'm trying to think of Horde races. I guess only blood elves feel like the odd man out for the Horde. I hope that we've engineered that into it as deftly as we could, but you know, it's the equivalent of a bunch of white chicks hanging out with goblin or tauren. It's weird. "

What obelisk argued is non-canon yes, and Taliesin is wrong saying it is canon. It has not happened yet so as far as canon lore, no, Void Elves are still only former Blood Elves. It's a non-argueable fact. That it might happen in the future, like I and probably others have said, is a possibility. And the High Elf wayfarers in Telogrus only implies that they are interested in learning, and thats it. Not to mention the blue post about the change in customization says blood elf options for Void Elves.

But, if they now make lore that shows the High Elf and Silvermoon Scholars can turn into Void Elves in a controlled matter like Alleria may explain the change in skin color for Void Elves. Someone tried to stir a discussion a couple of weeks ago when they said the new blue eyes for Void Elves was blizzard preparing for this event. That High Elves goes Void Elves. I don't think that was a "win" they wanted seeing Blizzard went all in on customization.

Thalassian Elves are our High Elves btw. Since 2004.

Blood elves are our high elves. In fact, they are our main high elven society in the WoW universe. Sorry that this fact upsets you?

Whether void elves are former blood elves or high elves doesn't really matter. The point I was making was that not even 2 weeks ago several posters in this thread argued against things that they now are backing.

So far as the high elf race goes, there are three variants of the race being represented in game (blood elves, void elves, high elves), with blood elves being the main representation of the high elf race in WoW. Hence, blood elves are our high elves. It's quite simple.

[Aldo Hawk]

Blood elves are our high elves. In fact, they are our main high elven society in the WoW universe. Sorry that this fact upsets you?

Whether void elves are former blood elves or high elves doesn't really matter. The point I was making was that not even 2 weeks ago several posters in this thread argued against things that they now are backing.

So far as the high elf race goes, there are three variants of the race being represented in game (blood elves, void elves, high elves), with blood elves being the main representation of the high elf race in WoW. Hence, blood elves are our high elves. It's quite simple.

Well, as I said, not bothering too much with this argument, I'm just answering to it by linking a previous explanation just so others can look at it since it has been clear you aren't open to acknowledge truth going against your way.

This is a post I made explaining why what Strippling said about the Chris Metzen's phrase is wrong: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post52208550

[Vaedan]

The blood elf theme has been pushed as being the high elf theme. The only thing that was ever missing was the blue eyes which was given to them. So it wasn't as if they gained that theme recently. They had it since TBC.
The problem is the void elf change means they can play a void theme OR a high elf theme.

So now, its a 2 to 1 situation.
Simply because they don't bring anything design wise that is unique to themselves that separates them from those on the alliance. It is why MMOs almost never share races, not even skin colors, because aesthetics are such a powerful facet that it affects the way the game is perceived.

So now, you have blood elves who...offer paladins. Which you can get thorugh zandalari/tauren as well. That's about it though, and Paladins aren't even a necessary or wanted class.
Which velfers (because lets be real they never cared for high elves just the skins) also want.


So...if a void elf gives me more than blood elves do? Why are blood elves even an option? Despite being the original option, they've become redundant and inferior.

To be honest, because of all you mentioned, blood elves should never be added to the Horde in the first place. They did exactly what all anti-helfers are thinking high elves would do - they blurred the faction lines. As you say, blood elves do not belong to the Horde given their skins, given their aestetics, given them being centered around sophisticated culture, diplomacy and aristocracy. Horde was not centered around those traits, and it was never the main theme of the faction. On the other hand, Alliance was made on those principles. Now you can't blame people that they want to play high elves on the Alliance, when they fit in the faction and are even historicaly tied to the faction as well. Even night elves would fit in the Horde better for many reasons then blood elves.

I remember that when Blizzard announced Blood elves on the Horde, majority of the Horde players were not happy with that. It took a while before they got used to elves on their faction, and there are still players who does not like them. I believe that if Blizzard decided to not add elves to the horde during TBC, almost nobody would want them on the red side now and there would be very little threads dedicated to the horde elves, on the contraty of the alliance high elves, which are non-ending request.

I don't say Horde can't have access to high culture and fancy races. In fact, there are races which fits Horde pretty well and are build around those principles - Zandalari Trolls and even WoD ogres (while they are not really fancy, they had developed empire ruled by mages).

Also, there are still many themes blood elves have and void elves will not have. Void elves abandoned Sunwell, it is no longer a thing for them. Sun, fire, light are all thematics which will be unique to blood elves. They will have to share something with void elves, but it was clear that they are going to share the minute void elves were announced as playable alliance allied race.

[Strippling]

Well, as I said, not bothering too much with this argument, I'm just answering to it by linking a previous explanation just so others can look at it since it has been clear you aren't open to acknowledge truth going against your way.

This is a post I made explaining why what Strippling said about the Chris Metzen's phrase is wrong: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post52208550

I never responded to your original response because you weighed your personal opinion on the matter too much. It's a simple statement.. "blood elves are our high elves". No amount of mental gymnastics changes the fact that they are the MAIN representation of the high elf race in WoW. Again, you can post 3 paragraphs or copy paste your 3 paragraph post, doesn't change the simplicity of the statement. Blood elves are the main representation of the high elf race in WoW, that is a factual statement and one that cannot be genuinely disputed. It's why Metzen stated what he did.

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To be honest, because of all you mentioned, blood elves should never be added to the Horde in the first place. They did exactly what all anti-helfers are thinking high elves would do - they blurred the faction lines. As you say, blood elves do not belong to the Horde given their skins, given their aestetics, given them being centered around sophisticated culture, diplomacy and aristocracy. Horde was not centered around those traits, and it was never the main theme of the faction. On the other hand, Alliance was made on those principles. Now you can't blame people that they want to play high elves on the Alliance, when they fit in the faction and are even historicaly tied to the faction as well. Even night elves would fit in the Horde better for many reasons then blood elves.

I remember that when Blizzard announced Blood elves on the Horde, majority of the Horde players were not happy with that. It took a while before they got used to elves on their faction, and there are still players who does not like them. I believe that if Blizzard decided to not add elves to the horde during TBC, almost nobody would want them on the red side now and there would be very little threads dedicated to the horde elves, on the contraty of the alliance high elves, which are non-ending request.

I don't say Horde can't have access to high culture and fancy races. In fact, there are races which fits Horde pretty well and are build around those principles - Zandalari Trolls and even WoD ogres (while they are not really fancy, they had developed empire ruled by mages).

Also, there are still many themes blood elves have and void elves will not have. Void elves abandoned Sunwell, it is no longer a thing for them. Sun, fire, light are all thematics which will be unique to blood elves. They will have to share something with void elves, but it was clear that they are going to share the minute void elves were announced as playable alliance allied race.

In WCIII the high/blood elves did not have a good relationship with humans. In chronicles we learn that their relationship with humans was one of convenience and they weren't particularly fond of their alliance with humans. As soon as they could they rescinded their allegiance to the Alliance.

Just because you feel blood elves never should have been added to the Horde does not make that notion correct. Given that their relationship with humans was fickle and given the actions of the humans toward them in WCIII, it wasn't unreasonable that they ended up joining the Horde. Some people cry "buh buh, the orcs attacked them why would they join them??". Well, the night elves attacked humans in WCIII yet they both ended up in the same faction.

The alliance never had "claim" on the high elf race. Before WoW was even around the high elves (now known as blood elves) were no longer part of the Alliance, and if anything had a valid reason to wage war on the Alliance if they decided to do so. Arthas destroyed their city and Anduin claimed the Alliance as responsible for Arthas. Furthermore, Garithos attempted to execute them. Blood elves on the Horde made so much more sense than on the Alliance.

The high elf race has been more represented with the Horde than the Alliance throughout the warcraft franchises lifetime.

Also, in regards to the bold, tell that to the players asking for the "light infused" class (ie paladin) for void elves.

[Aldo Hawk]

I never responded to your original response because you weighed your personal opinion on the matter too much. It's a simple statement.. "blood elves are our high elves". No amount of mental gymnastics changes the fact that they are the MAIN representation of the high elf race in WoW. Again, you can post 3 paragraphs or copy paste your 3 paragraph post, doesn't change the simplicity of the statement. Blood elves are the main representation of the high elf race in WoW, that is a factual statement and one that cannot be genuinely disputed. It's why Metzen stated what he did.

Yeah well all you have is to label my explanation as mental gymnastic when it is obviously a very simple explanation that faces your out of context use of the phrase and bury it on the ground where it belongs.

I mean, you can see in the post that Chris mentions other fantasy worlds in a non specific manner, so yeah, my take on it is much more informed than yours that is just the parroting of one phrase and leaving it as a husked slogan of what it was to fit a new meaning inside it.

'I think nobody has abused High elves to this degree' <--- Mentioning other fantasy worlds, AKA High elf as the broad term in fantasy.

AKA High elves in wow are different than in other fantasy worlds and AKA Blood elves and High elves exist at the same time so even if the phrase means what you push for it meaning it actually would just be wrong, so yeah well.

So excuse me if I don't stop by five mere seconds at your spiteful answers and take them seriously when it's obvious that this has become long ago just narrative pushing from your and other's part.

I think at this point the mere fact that developers are introducing ways to actually play High elves should be a gargantuan 'I told you so' in the face of many people here, like you, Snoflake, and Obeskik Kairos.