1. #19021
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    My question is: Would a normal elf who shows an interest in the Void be considered a "Ren'dorei"? Or does this term refer exclusively to elves who were morphed biologically by the void?



    Wrong. Ren'dorei are not just a mage sect. They also employ several rangers and warriors in battle or for guard duties.
    what did I say??? They are originally a mage sect! Umbric and his followers were magicians who study the void!
    the aesthetics of the race is about void! Give them void related tattoos in a void style would be nice.

    the blood elves have the farstriders as a complete organization and maintain the traditions of the organization, they are not a new organization that uses void powers.

  2. #19022
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriani View Post
    Well Alleria is a "normal elf" and is considered Ren'dorei. I would imagine it would take more than just "showing interest" but rather "active study". I can't speak for the devs of course, but I would imagine that anyone willing to study the void would be welcome as members of the Ren'dorei, though you might not be considered a "graduate" from "void school" until you can take on your void form.
    She's not a normal elf, she's described as an actual void elf in Shadows Rising. I guess at this point this is the same distinction as High Elf (biological) =/= High Elf (faction affiliation).

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    what did I say??? They are originally a mage sect! Umbric and his followers were magicians who study the void!
    the aesthetics of the race is about void! Give them void related tattoos in a void style would be nice.

    the blood elves have the farstriders as a complete organization and maintain the traditions of the organization, they are not a new organization that uses void powers.
    You can write 3 question marks, it doesn't change the fact you said something wrong. Warriors and rangers had a large presence in Umbric's original forces.



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  3. #19023
    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    literally in the first page says that all things high elf should be posted here
    Do you even read post. I am not saying closing the thread. I am saying closing the discussion by making them a real thing. The fact i mention blizzard and making a bigger mess should be very clear.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    people want this thread to be closed and at the same time report my posts for being outside this thread ano ba
    Do i report you...nope. So what other people do, has nothing to do with me. And again....if you read my post i said blizzard...not this side, this thread etc etc.

    So to be clear. I do not think this thread should be closed. I am saying they could have stopped the general discussion about high elves by giving high elves to start with. And the discussion is still not over...tallesin said: void elves are blood or high elves is false.
    Void elves are void elves.
    We do not just want the looks, we want the history/lore. We went cool heritage armor not a shiny bikini. We want racials and real faction leader. We want a race and not a semi class ( void elves are a class....naruu, critters etc all have been void touched) so its not a species...but a affliction...a class. Like DK's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    isn't Vereesa an anomaly though? Her hair is like Dath'remar's which is extremely unique
    Her hair isn't an anomaly, she was just made fun of for not having blonde/golden locks like her siblings in a family where everyone did have those colors.

    Unless...


  5. #19025
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    She's not a normal elf, she's described as an actual void elf in Shadows Rising. I guess at this point this is the same distinction as High Elf (biological) =/= High Elf (faction affiliation).
    But she IS a normal elf.

    Yes the book refers to her as a Void Elf but she was never transformed like Umbric and his squad. She studied under Locus Walker and went through various trials to attain her powers and that's what makes her a Void Elf, but she is most certainly not a Void Elf in the same way Umbric and his squad are.

    New members of the Ren'dorei will likely go through similar training and trials as Alleria which would explain why they can retain their usual appearance.
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  6. #19026
    Quote Originally Posted by Raivo LV View Post
    Congratulations to High-elf fans, we finally got them in a somewhat compromised option. Interesting how Blizzard caved and basically gave High-elfs to both factions and called it a day. I think it is safe to say that high-elfs won't ever happen as a standalone race any more. I am happy with this. I would just like to have some blonde haircolors for Velfs as well, so I can really go with my Helf fantasy on Alliance.
    Different hair color is what keeps the deference between the factions, the blonde elves in the horde and the void colored elves in the alliance. In the same way that blood elves who worship light and have sunwell can be paladins and void elves who use void cannot be.

  7. #19027
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriani View Post
    But she IS a normal elf.

    Yes the book refers to her as a Void Elf but she was never transformed like Umbric and his squad. She studied under Locus Walker and went through various trials to attain her powers and that's what makes her a Void Elf, but she is most certainly not a Void Elf in the same way Umbric and his squad are.

    New members of the Ren'dorei will likely go through similar training and trials as Alleria which would explain why they can retain their usual appearance.
    I believe this was always the case, no? I don't recall the Void Elf intro narration, but the actual starting zone shows new elves show up every now and then, both regular high elves and blood elves, who come to become Void Elves. I believe only Umbric's original posse are the mutant sort, practically everyone else are just students of the Void. That's at least the impression the starting zone gives of

  8. #19028
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriani View Post
    Agreed. If Void Elf Demon Hunters (or really any race that falls outside the standard Illidari) were to become a thing, it would require a new (and likely very abridged) intro much like the allied race Death Knights get. It would also require some in-game lore/event to explain it. Shadowlands pre-orders allow us to see that kind of explanation for the new allied race Death Knights. It's as simple as telling us Bolvar raised casualties from the fourth war. New race demon hunters would require something like that to make sense, though I would welcome such just because it would be nice to have more race options for Demon Hunters as a whole.
    There two main points of contention I'd have, because, lore wise they're a pretty big deal...

    First, the Burning Legion threat has been dealt with, the driving force behind the creation and training of Demon Hunters is no longer there so what motivations are there to become a Demon Hunter? I'd be "satisfied" with them going....because I want to...but honestly that really doesn't make sense and is really really weak. Unlike new Death Knights, where the current Lich King is the one who raised them, that makes absolute sense.

    The book "Illidan" goes pretty in depth on what becoming a demon hunter entails, and one of the cinematics touches on it, as does the current starting zone. One of the main points is that the candidate literally consumes a demon to become part demon and obtain demonic powers so that those powers can be turned against the burning legion. Constantly fighting the urges to give into the demon's will, or be fully consumed by the power, which brings me to my second point, specifically for Void Elves...

    The Void Elves are already constantly dealing with the whispers and torment of the old gods, becoming a demon hunter would put even MORE whispers and urges inside them to contend with. I doubt a Void Elf would be able to handle becoming a Demon Hunter without becoming a murdering, rambling, literally insane, psychopath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rathwell View Post
    I believe only Umbric's original posse are the mutant sort, practically everyone else are just students of the Void. That's at least the impression the starting zone gives of
    That's what players speculated because the way Umbric and his posse transformed to how they were happened by a villain and not something Umbric+his group intentionally wanted.

    Therefore the question always was, how would they even have new Void Elves go through that without some Ethereal and WHY as it was a painful process that got abruptly interrupted - very different from a controlled change.

  10. #19030
    Quote Originally Posted by Rathwell View Post
    I believe this was always the case, no? I don't recall the Void Elf intro narration, but the actual starting zone shows new elves show up every now and then, both regular high elves and blood elves, who come to become Void Elves. I believe only Umbric's original posse are the mutant sort, practically everyone else are just students of the Void. That's at least the impression the starting zone gives of
    Pretty much yes.

    Currently we can visually only look like members of Umbric's squad. The customization options will allow us to visually have a broader origin than that. Varodoc is implying that Alleria is somehow inexplicably different from other elves, when the fact is any High Elf (and likely other races) can do what she did.

    Has she changed because of her studies and trials? Yes, that much is obvious. I was basically trying to get the point across to Varodoc that Alleria was not altered in the same way that Umbric was, that future Void Elves would likely follow in Alleria's footsteps, and they are all considered Ren'dorei (or Void Elves if you prefer).
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  11. #19031
    Quote Originally Posted by DeicideUH View Post
    There's nowhere in lore saying that what we call "Farstrider tattoos" are indeed a common thing in the Farstriders. The "typical tattoos" were never portrayed in canon lore or art since Warcraft 3 at least, they are mostly a high elf fan request based on old units from Warcraft 2, of which only Alleria, leader of the void elves, have been canonically portrayed as using. Those old units, BTW, were canonically rewritten as Alleria's squad that went to help the Alliance when Silvermoon refused to send its army. Which is why I think they fit the void elf customization more, while blood elves could have runes of another style and colors.
    that unit later happened to be led by auric sunchaser the high elf representative that we see in queldanas and he say the children of silvermoon must be united! and now we are united!!!

    those tattoos are part of our tradition, void elves are a new race with new aesthetics! you wanted the skin color now you have it but respect what is the statics of the race!

  12. #19032
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriani View Post
    But she IS a normal elf.

    Yes the book refers to her as a Void Elf but she was never transformed like Umbric and his squad. She studied under Locus Walker and went through various trials to attain her powers and that's what makes her a Void Elf, but she is most certainly not a Void Elf in the same way Umbric and his squad are.

    New members of the Ren'dorei will likely go through similar training and trials as Alleria which would explain why they can retain their usual appearance.
    Still a void elf. Both her and Umbric got injected with a massive amount of void energy, which changed them at a biological level and thus can't be compared to the scholars we see in Telogrus Rift. I'm not sure why you keep claiming she is a normal elf when Shadows Rising literally calls her a void elf...
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  13. #19033
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Still a void elf. Both her and Umbric got injected with a massive amount of void energy. I'm not sure why you keep claiming she is a normal elf when Shadows Rising literally calls her a void elf...
    Because people are having trouble distinguishing the Void Elf race with the Void Elf faction (which now has Void Elves, High Elves and ex-Blood Elves in its midst).

    It would be nice for there to be an actual name for the "mutant" species Umbric and his followers belong to, but they'll probably never actually give them a name. Everyone in the group will be Void Elves/Rendorei.

  14. #19034
    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    perhaps a former Man'ari seeking redemption can count as a "Draenei" demon hunter?
    Maybe, though the Demon Hunter tool kit is pretty specific on how they got their powers and why/ how they use it. It's certainly plausible that a Man'ari could fit that.

  15. #19035
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriani View Post
    Pretty much yes.

    Currently we can visually only look like members of Umbric's squad. The customization options will allow us to visually have a broader origin than that. Varodoc is implying that Alleria is somehow inexplicably different from other elves, when the fact is any High Elf (and likely other races) can do what she did.

    Has she changed because of her studies and trials? Yes, that much is obvious. I was basically trying to get the point across to Varodoc that Alleria was not altered in the same way that Umbric was, that future Void Elves would likely follow in Alleria's footsteps, and they are all considered Ren'dorei (or Void Elves if you prefer).
    Well, I'd say you're completely right there, that's exactly what their starting zone in the Rift seems to imply with the uncorrupted High Elves being taught by the Locus Walker. But, I guess Alleria may be different in that she sort of absorbed all that Void on Argus, rather than come by it in the same manner as us who study it willingly. But if that has any greater consequences for her than what any other void elves endure I don't think we've seen any hints of that

    That'd be more of an open plot thread for Blizzard to delve into in the future if they want to write a big Alleria story

  16. #19036
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    that unit later happened to be led by auric sunchaser the high elf representative that we see in queldanas and he say the children of silvermoon must be united! and now we are united!!!

    those tattoos are part of our tradition, void elves are a new race with new aesthetics! you wanted the skin color now you have it but respect what is the statics of the race!
    Auric never joined the Horde, he's just there as high elf (i.e.: exiles/outsiders/Alliance) representative.
    He talked about rallying with the bearer of Quel'delar against the Scourge, not about everyone joining together and singing merry songs.
    If you play the same scenario as Alliance, he is treated with hostility by the blood elves.

    "Those tattoos" currently exist in a lore void in which they are found nowhere in lore or art except for Alleria.
    Whatever...

  17. #19037
    Quote Originally Posted by Nagawithlegs View Post
    Because people are having trouble distinguishing the Void Elf race with the Void Elf faction (which now has Void Elves, High Elves and ex-Blood Elves in its midst)
    That's the problem, Blizzard should name this faction already. I saw the term "Silvermoon Exiles" thrown around a few times but it's fancanon. That's why I asked if "Ren'dorei" is a term referring exclusively to elves changed biologically by the void or if it's an umbrella term referring to any Alliance elf interested in learning the Void.
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  18. #19038
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriani View Post
    Pretty much yes.

    Currently we can visually only look like members of Umbric's squad. The customization options will allow us to visually have a broader origin than that. Varodoc is implying that Alleria is somehow inexplicably different from other elves, when the fact is any High Elf (and likely other races) can do what she did.

    Has she changed because of her studies and trials? Yes, that much is obvious. I was basically trying to get the point across to Varodoc that Alleria was not altered in the same way that Umbric was, that future Void Elves would likely follow in Alleria's footsteps, and they are all considered Ren'dorei (or Void Elves if you prefer).
    The current appearance also accounts for elves who may have attempted a process similar to Alleria's, but weren't able to hold back the Void as well as she was. Whether during or after the ritual that gives them access to Entropic Embrace, among other racials, it's easy to explain that the forces of entropy embraced a little too hard and resulted in a transformed appearance. There is no reason Blizzard would need to limit that appearance to exclusively elves from Umbric's original crew.

  19. #19039
    Quote Originally Posted by Geisl View Post
    If extra DH races happened I would do

    Alliance:
    - Humans
    - Draenei
    - Void Elves

    Horde:
    - Orcs
    - Trolls (only one, maybe ZD as they're more popular)
    - Nightborne
    I agree with everything but Void Elves, because of the whole demon + void whispers not being something I think they'd be able to contend with and still be productive, helpful members of society and not psychopaths or worse...

  20. #19040
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    That's the problem, Blizzard should name this faction already. I saw the term "Silvermoon Exiles" thrown around a few times but it's fancanon. That's why I asked if "Ren'dorei" is a term referring exclusive to elves changed biologically by the void or if it's an umbrella term referring to any Alliance elf interested in learning the Void.
    I am going to guess that Rendorei and Void Elves will always refer to the umbrella faction of all Thalassian elves following Alleria, Umbric and the Alliance (because they now all use the void). Unfortunately this means there will never be a real name for the void-mutated elves.

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