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    Arthas acted on behalf of the Scourge (you know... an evil faction). And when he did this, he was undead and no longer human.

    So claiming the Alliance is responsible is pure nonsense.

    The elves lost their homeland, but the Alliance lost Arthas, Terenas, Uther, Antonidas but also 2 major kingdoms.

    And yes. High elves are an iconic Alliance race. That's precisely why Blizzard gave us your thalassian model, but also the possibility to unlock high elf costumizations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starla View Post
    With absolutely no proof or evidence you feel free to share this feeling? It's kind of sad because it just comes off as insensitivity to the people who love the races they play and have been given little attention.

    Also I wasn't addressing you but another person.
    I wasn't trying to be insensitive, I was trying to inspire hope

    The only "evidence" I have, if you can even call it that (I wouldn't), is that it seems rather odd to me that Blizzard would focus on a single allied race for such attention, when the other three of the initial batch are also in dire need of additional options, and the method Blizzard is using for Void Elves (simply inheriting existing stuff rather than having new stuff made) is a much quicker and easier thing to do compared to making entirely new assets. In a lot of cases (but not every case), it's as simple a matter as copy/pasting some files into a folder and maybe adding some entries to an index.

    I also have another "feeling/instinct/prediction" (whatever you want to call it) that one reason this might be happening for Void Elves (and why it may happen for other allied races) is that more time has become available with the cancellation of Blizzcon. I expected Shadowlands to launch before Blizzcon of this year. With its cancellation, it's no longer a deadline for Blizzard nor do the artists need to take time away from Shadowlands development to make things to show off at Blizzcon. While I do not work for Blizzard, I do have some background in game development, and I'd guess that Blizzcon's cancellation has gained Blizzard at least a month of additional dev time for Shadowlands even without having to move up the release date.

    I realize that's all assumption and opinion on my part. I fully admit that. But I felt that sharing my thoughts with you might have offered you some comfort and maybe inspire some hope for you. I apologize if they did the opposite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rathwell View Post
    I don't know the lore all that well, so I'll start this question by first explaining my understanding of events that lead me to the question in the first place:

    So, as far as I understand, the High Elves were dependent on the Sunwell throughout the RTS games until Arthas destroyed it. Then, the High Elves (soon renamed the Blood Elves) went through withdrawal due to some sort of a magic addiction that they now struggled to sate. They started to feed on alternate forms of magic, occasionally the fel, leading to corruptions such as their green eyes and things of that nature. They drained mana from living things, like those mana wyrms.

    So here's my question...

    What about the High Elves that never joined the Blood Elves of Quel'thalas? The High Elves that remained with the Alliance? The Silver Covenant, the Quel'danis Lodge, all the random High Elves wayfarers we see. Were they not equally affected by the destruction of the Sunwell?

    The Blood Elves found alternate forms of magic to feed on, but does this then apply to the High Elves of the Alliance too? Were there those green demonic pillars hidden somewhere that they fed on, like the green pylons in Silvermoon City? If not, how did they sate the hunger?
    You should delete your post and ask here instead. This is the High Elf megathread and this is where you ask all things High Elf. Don't make the same mistake as I did before

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    Anyway, the High Elves also hoarded mana crystals away from the Blood Elves which greatly contributed to their exile
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    Quote Originally Posted by elbleuet View Post
    Arthas acted on behalf of the Scourge (you know... an evil faction). And when he did this, he was undead and no longer human.

    So claiming the Alliance is responsible is pure nonsense.

    The elves lost their homeland, but the Alliance lost Arthas, Terenas, Uther, Antonidas but also 2 major kingdoms.

    And yes. High elves are an iconic Alliance race. That's precisely why Blizzard gave us your thalassian model, but also the possibility to unlock high elf costumizations.
    This. Claiming Alliance was responsible for Arthas is truly nonsense. What Anduin meant is that Alliance also born evil and non tolerant characters like Arthas and Daelin and thus is also part of the cycle of hatred. The fact that most of the shit Arthas has done was under the Scourge banner is undisputable, and thus Alliance is no longer responsible for that. It is like saying Horde is responsible for Legion's Invasion, since it was caused by Gul'dan, which used to be part of the Horde.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elbleuet View Post
    Arthas acted on behalf of the Scourge (you know... an evil faction). And when he did this, he was undead and no longer human.
    It's so weird when people try to blame the Alliance for Arthas' actions.

    Arthas never led the Alliance in his campaign against the other races. It wasn't an Alliance army that invaded Quel'thalas or sacked Dalaran. The Alliance was actually the first victim of Arthas, with it being betrayed from within and having its forces killed and scattered. The almost entirety of the Scourge campaign in WC3:RoC is Arthas destroying every Alliance force or nation in his path.

    Garithos at least was leading a warband of Alliance troops, so you can blame the Alliance for following his lead and granting him troops. That's not the case of Arthas. Even the campaign in Northrend, before he returned to attack everyone, was unsanctioned.
    Whatever...

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    I just realized this: I haven't seen any reaction from the High Elf NPCs about Kael'thas' betrayal and death
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    Quote Originally Posted by ddi2 View Post
    What are you even talking about. Yes, they are more than just a look, and Ion recognised that in his interview. But said they wouldn't add them because of their looks.
    I am responding to your posts after you started to respond to me.

    Did he....he said if you want blue eyed pale skinned elves the horde is there for you. that sentence alone is enough the suggest that they thought they where nothing more then looks. That combined with the current planned looks for void elves kinda confirms it.

    They did not think about void elves or high elves long enough. they see the reaction that a lot of people want high elves. So they think this will fix it.
    For me and many others its a big fat nope.

    we would just love to see a decent allied race, and a wishlist item. Instead of the 1 allied race. And 4...what ever they are's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    I just realized this: I haven't seen any reaction from the High Elf NPCs about Kael'thas' betrayal and death
    We've seen only the Quel'lithien ones, who didn't know of his actions and still viewed him as a hero who would return to end Lor'themar's dictatorship some day. It's seen in the "Under the Shadow of the Sun" short story.

    From that, I guess at least some high elves saw Lor'themar as an usurper and Rommath's teachings as lies, as they opposed Kael'thas' measures while still hoping he'd return to set things right.
    Whatever...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strippling View Post
    Blood elves are losing aesthetics that were unique to them.
    I don't remember you making this much fuss over nightborne having the same skin color as the night elves, really.

    The skin color alone was a HUGE gain for void elves, leave the hair colors and styles that are unique to blood elves with the blood elves thanks.
    If you actually bothered to really read and understand what the pro-high-elf community has been asking for, void elves gaining light skin tones is actually a huge loss, since it basically nails the idea that high elves as an actual playable race is nigh impossible to happen now.

    But, hey, no matter how many times we repeat this to all of you, you never deviate from this "all you want is the blood elf model" nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broflake View Post
    That is the definition of a compromise.
    If a compromise gives you exactly what you wanted, then it isn't a compromise. That is what compromise means. When you talk salt with the sugar.
    Just read what you wrote. First you accuse the pro-high group of not caring about lore and only wanting the BE model:
    Quote Originally Posted by Broflake View Post
    Which is why the mass majority of helfers are going. "yes this is what we wanted."?
    And now you're backpedalling by saying "it's a compromise".

    I beg to differ, because it only took a color change to make you, and several other helfers to begin clapping their hands with approval and completely forgetting to have them as a separate AR.
    Like...please, you can't keep that up when your actions say otherwise.
    You got quite a bit, your denial of it doesn't mean much, but hey, it just goes to show.
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    First void elves, now skins, and now people asking for void elf paladins and silvermoon as a base.
    Me? Re-read my posts, and properly inform yourself of my position before you go throwing egg on your own face. I'm not "clapping my hands in approval" or "completely forgetting to have them as their own AR". But here's the problem: just because I'm accepting this as a compromise, does not mean this is what I wanted nor that I'm happy with the results.

    To you? Maybe.
    Objectively? It means quite a bit. The model is the exact same as the blood elf, separated only by color. So the model may not matter to you, but color does?
    That is insightful
    The simple fact void elves are getting light skin tones shows how the "player model" has stopped mattering a long time ago.

    No it isn't, because if it was about lore you wouldn't suggest ways of making high elves, the exact same people from the same region separated by only a decade of time, look different from blood elves.
    You do know that the sole reason pro-high-elf supporters have been giving those suggestions, was to try to appease the anti-high-elfers who would constantly harp on this "you just want the blood elf model" nonsense.

    Its like you read, but you ignore it.
    Void elves have void theme and blood/high elf theme.
    Blood elves have blood elf theme, and no other theme.
    So yeah, what do they get in return?
    This is simply math.
    1+? = 2
    Blood elves need the 1
    You do know that, to get something in return, they actually need to lose something? And the blood elves lost nothing. And how about the "holy/light" theme? The golden eyes and all that shit? Did they somehow "lose" it too? Did they lose that customization option?

    That is the definition of a compromise where you dont get everything you want. Sorry.
    But the void elves were not a compromise since we got absolutely nada of what we have been asking for.

    Honestly dude, you're being incredibly obtuse.
    And you're just projecting.

    Blood elves literally lost a theme to void elves.
    They lost absolutely nothing. They still possess that "theme".

    You don't need to remove something for it to be lost.
    Yes. You do.

    "I dont care that i look the exact same as a blood elf. Thats what I wanted."
    And that is objectively false. Insultingly false, too, since giving light skin tones to the void elves gives nothing of what I've been asking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Molvonos View Post
    They really weren't, though.
    But they indeed are, though. I never claimed they are some major players like other playable races, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broflake View Post
    3 patches worth in which they had a storyline through the silver covenant.
    The rest? Quest givers.
    Does this mean humans are major for horde too since they occassionally help in WoW?
    There were high elves in Theramore. The Silver Covenant is an Alliance-aligned group, who helped us through the Wrath expansion, and against the Thunder King on the Alliance side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    they never were an iconic race in the vast majority of wow, they barely are a sidekick race, appearing in some instances
    And so were the goblins... but here we are.

    yeah look different with the same fair skin color, sure.
    Yeah, considering how void elf are getting light skin tones similar to blood elves in Shadowlands, I think Blizzard might agree more with me than you, here. Looks like it is sufficient differentiation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    And so were the goblins... but here we are.
    goblins didn't join the alliance

    Yeah, considering how void elf are getting light skin tones similar to blood elves in Shadowlands, I think Blizzard might agree more with me than you, here. Looks like it is sufficient differentiation.
    and thats the point though, people only care about looks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    goblins didn't join the alliance
    No, but they joined the Horde, and were just as much a "never an iconic race" of the Horde, only showing up here and there to help, just like the high elves.

    and thats the point though, people only care about looks
    No, that's false.
    "Torturing someone is not an evil thing to do if it is done for good reasons" by Varodoc
    "You sit in OG/SW waiting on a Mythic+ queue" by Altmer <- Oh, the pearls in this forum...
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  12. #19072
    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    I just realized this: I haven't seen any reaction from the High Elf NPCs about Kael'thas' betrayal and death
    read in the shadow of the sun

    either way those high elves are now Wretched

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    read in the shadow of the sun

    either way those high elves are now Wretched
    how about Alliance High Elves, Highvale, or the Allerians
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    how about Alliance High Elves, Highvale, or the Allerians
    we know that auric sunchaser leader of allerian stronghold returned to quelthalas along with many high elves in wotlk, those high elves are sad to see that kaelthas turned evil. but they say nothing about his death.

    the rest there is no information

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strippling View Post
    Blood elves are our high elves. In fact, they are our main high elven society in the WoW universe. Sorry that this fact upsets you?

    Whether void elves are former blood elves or high elves doesn't really matter. The point I was making was that not even 2 weeks ago several posters in this thread argued against things that they now are backing.

    So far as the high elf race goes, there are three variants of the race being represented in game (blood elves, void elves, high elves), with blood elves being the main representation of the high elf race in WoW. Hence, blood elves are our high elves. It's quite simple.
    Nice headcanon.

    No, it does not upset me, but it must trigger you that what you say is not true, and all the thalassian elves are in fact High Elves. It triggers you so much that you put a non canon citation in your sig just to try to make people who actually know the story to feel bad. It's just embarrassing.

  17. #19077
    High Elf fans turn even more disgusting with every thing Blizzard gives to them. You already got so much, shut up and enjoy you rip-offs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post


    void elves with blood/high elf skin color is happening, blood/high elves changing to become void elf is happening, thats excellent, but lets not pretend they are just high elves with shadow-priest like powers, and asking the entirety of blood elves thing, like paladins, their hairstyle and changing their racials is completely nonsensical.
    But they are. We will just play the second generation of void elves aka Silvermoon and exiled elves mastering the void.
    Btw I'm not asking any blood elf customizations. I will happily play my blue haired, fair skinned High elf.

    Let the Horde keep their blond blood elves.
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    Now as we have high elves in the Alliance, can blood elves finally stop being light elves?
    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...lopment-thread
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    If you are suggesting to take my Night Elfs Shadowmeld away, then please find some pike to run yourself through, tyvm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elbleuet View Post
    But they are. We will just play the second generation of void elves aka Silvermoon and exiled elves mastering the void.
    Btw I'm not asking any blood elf customizations. I will happily play my blue haired, fair skinned High elf.

    Let the Horde keep their blond blood elves.
    Agreed, I'm ok not having blonde as a color (I just don't see an issue if it happens as well). blue/black/white/silver hair color options are what I'm hopeful for.

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