Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Syegfryed]

Yes. Because culture, not genetics.

no, thats literally genetics and i explained to you, culture alone don't change or affect your body in a biological lv

Because it's their seafaring culture that sends them into the sea, which trains their body to resist those elements through constant exposure. Just like in the real world, if you're sent to live in a cold, cold place, like northern Canada, you'll eventually get more used to the cold.

and with generations and natural selection of trading genes, its expected that people are born more adapted to those at climates, you can't take someone from the tropics and shove then iceland and pretend they will get the same resistance of someone who was born from generations in that place

No, there isn't any lore to make them look different.

same reasons gave then genetic adaptations to their environment, generic adaptions often appear in the outside, and people change, it makes totally sense

And yet you still show a misunderstanding of evolution. By the laws of evolution, populations restricted to confined areas (like, an island) tend to become smaller over time. Not bigger.

yup friend, you now abou insular dwarfism, but there is also island gigantism, seems like its you, not me, who show a misunderstand, or i mean, lack of knowledge, about evolution.

of course, most of then are extinct by humans and other factors, but some of then still exist, like the Kakapo, this guy:

And you just said it: "rare characteristics". Do you know how long does it take for a "rare characteristic" to be passed on to an entire population to the point it becomes the norm, and not just rare? Worse: do you know how long it takes to even form such "rare characteristic" in the first place?

i do know, but in wow we have tons of examples of things like that happening faster than usual, trolls are great example of that

Kul'tirans characteristics are more or less rare indeed.

False. They were not. Kul'Tirans were planned from the get-go to be an allied race. I've already proven that to you

nope, you didn't, they were already different before they though about making then allied race, same with the thin human

You didn't. You made an assertion, but have yet to show any sort of conclusive evidence for that,

different racials do that, their different body characteristics due to their mutation show that, if you do not want to believe that, that is up to you

You are talking about them being a different "race", and one of the key components of what defines a "race" is hereditary traits. If the "void-ification" is not passed from parent to child, then they are not a different race from the rest of the thalassian elves, just like a human who lost an arm is not a "different race" than the rest of the humans.

And we don't know about the children because they don't exist yet, so you can't say they aren't just because we don't have a void elf kid to proof that

The addition of fair skins to the void elves begs to differ.

they still are different with the exception of the skin colors, they are still void elves mutated by the void as far blizzard showed, not new elves using void magic

Other than... y'know... the pandaren.

that i already acknowledge as you know, exception

Regardless of that, it doesn't prevent them from being their own separate playable race, as evidenced by our current allied races.

indeed it does, cause, by our current allied races, they all have fundamental differences that do not resolve in faction allegiance as the only "difference" and are in the same faction.

if that someway change, like i said, i will agre, until that, you are wasting your time.

[Swnem]

'It weakens your stance'

Look, stop trying to make people feel as if they have to care about arguments that are circular and actually are just so wrong that doesn't matter if they go around telling it.

The only problem with that is people now knowing hearing it and thinking it's the truth.

Deepfryedorc said he is a biologist, but his takes on basic biology are just wrong, and his takes on what 'race' means in Warcraft is even more outlandish.

It's simply... @Highelf is right dude, and you should stop trying to get people into loosing time with things that only serve the purpose of being cyclical.

These arguments are not important, end of story.

You didn't read what i said carefully. I am not saying anything in favor or against him. I say he can share his opinion and Highelf has no right to tell other people what to do. It's a choice for each and every one. I have not read much of what each other has said, but i can see one trying to advocate and argument from authority. If you are right, you don't have the need to do that. So, maybe he is right, but he is going wrongly about it. Making personal attacks is distasteful and i won't support that. Even if it's some insufferable poster in mmo-champ. That is why the ignore list exists. Use it.

[Evilfish]

Black Goat, honey, WE ARE GETTING HIGH ELVES.

For what do you think the new Void elf customizations are?

Seriously, for what the hell do you think these in actual actuality are?

Goddamn you people, I don't expect anything from you yet you still surprise me with these over the top reachs.

DAAAAAMN HAHAHAHAHAHA

You are not getting High Elves. You are getting pink void elves. But hold on to that joy, if it's really joy and not spite. Cause after the expansion launches I'm willing to bet my right bollock that you'll be back here, saying the same old crap, about Blizzard hating you for not doing EXACTLY what you want. In fact I'm pretty sure that's why most of you are here. Cause you have a fixation.

Regardless, the high elves you desire so much are further away from you now than ever. The fact is that the more they make void elves look like high elves, the more pointless the addition of actual high elves becomes. So you are stuck with painted void elves, still existing in some asscrack floating island. I honestly hope you enjoy them enough to stop beating this dead horse, but like I said, I estimate you'll be shedding crocodile tears across the forums after Shadow Lands launches.

[Villager720]

And just a week or so ago we've been told, "you're getting High Elves!"

That ... is a 100% false statement.
Not once in the post by Blizzard announcing the expanded customizations were “high elves” even mentioned.
They expanded void elf visuals (seemingly, for now, without even giving them normal hair).
That’s it.
They didn’t tell you they were giving you high elves. And they didn’t give you high elves.

“Void elves can now resemble high elves more closely.“
That’s factual.
“We got high elves as a playable race.”
That’s not factual.

[BaumanKing]

You are not getting High Elves. You are getting pink void elves.

Yeah, but blood elves are not getting high elves either, cause their turquoise options are still fel tainted. So in the end no one is getting true high elves.

[Ardenaso]

You are not getting High Elves. You are getting pink void elves. But hold on to that joy, if it's really joy and not spite.

Wow you guys went from "if you want fair skin play Blood Elf and if you can't stomach the Horde play Void Elf" and now they have fair skin Void Elf you all are getting spiteful.

They really can't win I guess

[Starla]

You didn't read what i said carefully. I am not saying anything in favor or against him. I say he can share his opinion and Highelf has no right to tell other people what to do. It's a choice for each and every one. I have not read much of what each other has said, but i can see one trying to advocate and argument from authority. If you are right, you don't have the need to do that. So, maybe he is right, but he is going wrongly about it. Making personal attacks is distasteful and i won't support that. Even if it's some insufferable poster in mmo-champ. That is why the ignore list exists. Use it.

You were right to speak up. If more people did this there might be less toxicity here.

[Evilfish]

Yeah, but blood elves are not getting high elves either, cause their turquoise options are still fel tainted. So in the end no one is getting true high elves.

They were always the High Elves, I'm not sure how many times this was brought up here. They are the High Elves, they have been the High Elves since they were introduced. I'm thinking you people imagine that being a High Elf is entriely defined by how loyal they are to the alliance which is not true. So no, the belfs don't get the high elves, cause they are the high elves.

[bobwuzhere1224]

You were right to speak up. If more people did this there might be less toxicity here.

I agree some people just can't play nice.

[Alanar]

Yeah, but blood elves are not getting high elves either, cause their turquoise options are still fel tainted. So in the end no one is getting true high elves.

It's more to the blue side, I checked twice, Blood elves still do look more like a high elf, then a void elf ever will realy..

Take a look at the following:

These are various high elf npcs, noticed the male eyes.


This is one of the options available right now. Notice on how the next pictures how the middle options as exactly that.


The preview clearly show 3 colors, this is still alpha and not all things are in, but that is clearly blue right there.


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They were always the High Elves, I'm not sure how many times this was brought up here. They are the High Elves, they have been the High Elves since they were introduced. I'm thinking you people imagine that being a High Elf is entriely defined by how loyal they are to the alliance which is not true. So no, the belfs don't get the high elves, cause they are the high elves.

This is it tbh. they are wows high elves, just with a differnt name and theme moving forward. They were idd Always the high elves you would play in wow, doesn't matter the faction.

[bobwuzhere1224]

It's more to the blue side, I checked twice, still does look more like a high elf, then a void elf does with the new stuff. Which is actually hilarious if you think about it.

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This is it tbh. they are wows high elves, just with a differnt name and theme moving forward. They were idd Always the high elves you would play in wow, doesn't matter the faction.

TBH I don't think they are done with eye options, The Preview image Blizz had for Blue-Eyes on Belves included a tint that hasn't yet been put on Alpha.

[FlubberPuddy]

You are not getting High Elves. You are getting pink void elves. But hold on to that joy, if it's really joy and not spite. Cause after the expansion launches I'm willing to bet my right bollock that you'll be back here, saying the same old crap, about Blizzard hating you for not doing EXACTLY what you want. In fact I'm pretty sure that's why most of you are here. Cause you have a fixation.

Regardless, the high elves you desire so much are further away from you now than ever. The fact is that the more they make void elves look like high elves, the more pointless the addition of actual high elves becomes. So you are stuck with painted void elves, still existing in some asscrack floating island. I honestly hope you enjoy them enough to stop beating this dead horse, but like I said, I estimate you'll be shedding crocodile tears across the forums after Shadow Lands launches.

So a thinly veiled way of saying, "you already got what you wanted, please stop asking for more!" despite it being what literally every other player does for all the other races they've had all these years for over a decade and who have received lots of customizations already and are getting more?

Nice dude.

[Starla]

TBH I don't think they are done with eye options, The Preview image Blizz had for Blue-Eyes on Belves included a tint that hasn't yet been put on Alpha.

As someone who has asked for blue eyes for Blood Elves for years, I'm not convinced that's what we're getting. Wowhead's latest post "Both races have three blue eye options and share near-identical turquoise option. However the other two options for the Blood Elves are also turquoise while the remaining options for the Void Elves are more of a sapphire blue tint. The textures for each race's eye customization are also different."
https://www.wowhead.com/news=316325/...owlands-alpha-

makes me doubt the blue post made which seemed to show a true blue eye color for Blood Elves

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...lagosa-dentarg

I'm just holding off celebrating anymore until we see it in game. lol

[Alanar]

TBH I don't think they are done with eye options, The Preview image Blizz had for Blue-Eyes on Belves included a tint that hasn't yet been put on Alpha.

Yea, picture bugged out, but got it.

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As someone who has asked for blue eyes for Blood Elves for years, I'm not convinced that's what we're getting. Wowhead's latest post "Both races have three blue eye options and share near-identical turquoise option. However the other two options for the Blood Elves are also turquoise while the remaining options for the Void Elves are more of a sapphire blue tint. The textures for each race's eye customization are also different."
https://www.wowhead.com/news=316325/...owlands-alpha-

makes me doubt the blue post made which seemed to show a true blue eye color for Blood Elves

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...lagosa-dentarg

I'm just holding off celebrating anymore until we see it in game. lol

But the preview I just showed, shows 3 clear color options, the right options is as blue as you can get to match exactly like some of the high npcs. If you want to celebrate you are late to the party, cus we know for some time now it will happen.

Like many have said, these options make sure an exactual high elf race will never happen and we have a comprimise both sides get an option to rp as one.
The real deal tho have Always been the blood elves, they are wows high elves since bc, now getting these options as blood elves, make void elf high elf rp just feel like the seconds best thing.

[FlubberPuddy]

That ... is a 100% false statement.
Not once in the post by Blizzard announcing the expanded customizations were “high elves” even mentioned.
They expanded void elf visuals (seemingly, for now, without even giving them normal hair).
That’s it.
They didn’t tell you they were giving you high elves. And they didn’t give you high elves.

“Void elves can now resemble high elves more closely.“
That’s factual.
“We got high elves as a playable race.”
That’s not factual.

Blizzard have also never said "No you're not getting High Elves!" despite that one dude stating so

Besides if you wanna be pedantic about it, that's on you. The majority of people understand these are High Elves

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...ue-race/539328

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...s-point/545858

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...h-elves/545818

https://massivelyop.com/2020/06/05/w...d-of-warcraft/

https://blizzardwatch.com/2020/05/27...g-shadowlands/









Again, a person can go ahead and be pedantic about it, but the majority of the playerbase understands these customizations are High Elves.

Just like slapping tattoos onto the Bronzebeard Dwarves are letting people play Wildhammer Dwarves.

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Wow you guys went from "if you want fair skin play Blood Elf and if you can't stomach the Horde play Void Elf" and now they have fair skin Void Elf you all are getting spiteful.

They really can't win I guess

The pedantry is really funny, like it's just so blatant. In one of the threads I linked, the OP even said this

I have seen it in several threads now over and over and over again.

Normal Player: Can’t wait to play as a high elf on Alliance side! Thanks Blizz!

Inexplicably angry person: UM ACKUTALLY THEY ARE STILL VOID ELVES YOU POOR DELUDED CREATURE. PLEASE ALLOW ME TO SPEND THE NEXT SEVERAL POSTS INFORMING YOU ABOUT HOW IGNORANT YOU ARE

I mean seriously come the hell on. Are you serious? lol

Everyone knows why these options were added. They were added because people have been begging for High Elves for literally years at this point.

That thread is titled: "The childish nitpicking over High Elves is getting a bit old at this point"

I must say I agree with that observation.

[Starla]

Yea, picture bugged out, but got it.

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But the preview I just showed, shows 3 clear color options, the right options is as blue as you can get to match exactly like some of the high npcs. If you want to celebrate you are late to the party, cus we know for some time now it will happen.

Like many have said, these options make sure an exactual high elf race will never happen and we have a comprimise both sides get an option to rp as one.
The real deal tho have Always been the blood elves, they are wows high elves since bc, now getting these options as blood elves, make void elf high elf rp just feel like the seconds best thing.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding Wowhead's latest post, but it doesn't show even one true blue for Blood Elves there as far as I can see.

[Evilfish]

So a thinly veiled way of saying, "you already got what you wanted, please stop asking for more!" despite it being what literally every other player does for all the other races they've had all these years for over a decade and who have received lots of customizations already and are getting more?

Nice dude.

I'm not saying that... dude. I'm saying you people will be back here crying for more because that's all you got, cutomization options, not high elves and at some point you'll figure out that even if they painted velfs pink, they are still velfs.
And please don't try to normalize yourselves by pretending you are just some poor people asking for some customization options, you are not. You want an exact belf clone painted blue. And that is what you'll go back to demanding just like before. And considering that's already a playable race, yeah, stop asking for it.

[Alanar]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding Wowhead's latest post, but it doesn't show even one true blue for Blood Elves there as far as I can see.

I mean it's alpha and many options are missing or bugged. Just wait till more options are added.

[Ielenia]

no, thats literally genetics and i explained to you, culture alone don't change or affect your body in a biological lv

Culture alone changes and affects your body in a phenotype level. Their culture "grants" the Kul'tirans their resistance to nature and cold, for example, for being a seafaring culture, as it means they're beset by storms and the elements while at sea, for example. And genetics? You haven't proven that what makes the Kul'tirans what they are is actually genetics and not just phenotype changes. Considering the speed in which those supposed changes happen, it's much more likely it's phenotypical than genotypical.

same reasons gave then genetic adaptations to their environment, generic adaptions often appear in the outside, and people change, it makes totally sense

Genetic adaptations to that scale require a much longer period to simply emerge, much less spread to that scale. They are much likely to be phenotypical manifestations from culture and environment.

yup friend, you now abou insular dwarfism, but there is also island gigantism, seems like its you, not me, who show a misunderstand, or i mean, lack of knowledge, about evolution.

Read about "insular gigantism". None of the factors for it is present in Kul'Tiras.

i do know, but in wow we have tons of examples of things like that happening faster than usual, trolls are great example of that

Kul'tirans characteristics are more or less rare indeed.

If you did know, you would know you are wrong in making that statement. Genotype changes such as that do not occur in such a short period of time.

nope, you didn't, they were already different before they though about making then allied race, same with the thin human

I'm not sorry here, but you are factually wrong in that statement. You've been proven objectively wrong, already.

different racials do that, their different body characteristics due to their mutation show that, if you do not want to believe that, that is up to you

I'm not exactly keen on believing your word, considering our past discussions. And, again, you need to prove that the void elves are a new actual race, y'know, genetics and all. Saying "they look different" is not enough, because an person missing his arm also looks different from the rest of his kin, but that doesn't make him a different race. Paul Karason, the man whose skin turned blue for ingesting silver, is not a "different race" than the rest of us just because he "looks different". And racials are rarely actually related to genetics, and more culture- and environmental-based.

And we don't know about the children because they don't exist yet, so you can't say they aren't just because we don't have a void elf kid to proof that

Wrong. I'm not saying they're not a new race "because there are no void elf children". I'm saying this is what you need to demonstrate that the void elves are a new race. I'm saying they're not because of the nature of their transformation and its likeness with a similar situation that exists in Warcraft: the gilnean worgen.

they still are different with the exception of the skin colors, they are still void elves mutated by the void as far blizzard showed, not new elves using void magic

The void elves are literally blood elves using void magic.

that i already acknowledge as you know, exception

Exception... because you want them to be?

indeed it does, cause, by our current allied races, they all have fundamental differences that do not resolve in faction allegiance as the only "difference" and are in the same faction.

if that someway change, like i said, i will agre, until that, you are wasting your time.

Being the "same race" is not a deterrent. And I say the void elves are living proof of that, now more than ever, because the only real argument against that was "they look exactly the same."

[DeicideUH]

Why are you still arguing over an issue that is settled?