Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[TriHard]

Translation: I'm angry that you got anything at all, and I can't take any more losses like this. Stop!

Translation: You're banned

[FlubberPuddy]

All I’ve noted is that you made a false claim. What’s a definition in a dictionary have to do with the reality of a statement?

There's no false claim, you're just not getting it. The phrase "can't see the forest for the trees" can be aptly ascribed to you, although you probably won't get that as you clearly aren't able to see the obvious in the first place.

[vilememory]

Damn, nearing a thousand pages already. Now we need Illidan to say narrate something about this. See you at 1100.

[Lorca]

No. I do not. And I asked you to show me examples of people making that request.

Yeah, no thanks, no way I am diving into the hundreds of pages that were written this last week here to show you what you already know perfectly is true.

Oh well, I luckily found some, a conversation between two regular posters here of what I said about people wanting Void Elves to get Blood Elf characteristic customization options just to make the Blood Elves fans mad or something like that:


Varadoc: “Void elves should definitely have green eyes as well.”
Frenchvince: “The hair colors blond, white, chestnut, silver before anyway lol”

Varadoc: “Yeah, give them green eyes. I already got my popcorns ready.”

(and if you doubt about that being true, you can check those in their post history)

Your whole contention for this is "how do we call the pandaren?"[/URL] and I've already answered your question: unlike the blood elves, the pandaren did not rebrand themselves. Everything else is meaningless.

Just assume that they are exactly the same race, but that they call themselves differently because of their factions, nothing more. You could perfectly call them Alliance Thalassian Elves or Horde Thalassian Elves the same way you call every Pandaren just Pandaren regardless of their faction and not Huojin or Tushui. In the four cases the naming of the four different groups has exactly the same function and doesn't change the fact that below of that name lies the same thing if we talk in racial terms. Huojin and Tushui Pandaren are just Pandaren and High Elves and Blood Elves are just Thalassian Elves. What I pointed first was that in once case you don’t make any differentiation and call them the same way but in the other case you do.

Also, if you quote me, quote me correctly, I didn't ask how "we call Pandaren" but how "you" call Pandaren, as you probably don't call them by the name of the different groups as you do with the different groups of Thalassian Elves.

[Varodoc]

Yeah, no thanks, no way I am diving into the hundreds of pages that were written this last week here to show you what you already know perfectly is true.

Oh well, I luckily found some, a conversation between two regular posters here of what I said about people wanting Void Elves to get Blood Elf characteristic customization options just to make the Blood Elves fans mad or something like that:


Varadoc: “Void elves should definitely have green eyes as well.”
Frenchvince: “The hair colors blond, white, chestnut, silver before anyway lol”

Varadoc: “Yeah, give them green eyes. I already got my popcorns ready.”

(and if you doubt about that being true, you can check those in their post history)



Just assume that they are exactly the same race, but that they call themselves differently because of their factions, nothing more. You could perfectly call them Alliance Thalassian Elves or Horde Thalassian Elves the same way you call every Pandaren just Pandaren regardless of their faction and not Huojin or Tushui. In the four cases the naming of the four different groups has exactly the same function and doesn't change the fact that below of that name lies the same thing if we talk in racial terms. Huojin and Tushui Pandaren are just Pandaren and High Elves and Blood Elves are just Thalassian Elves. What I pointed first was that in once case you don’t make any differentiation and call them the same way but in the other case you do.

Also, if you quote me, quote me correctly, I didn't ask how "we call Pandaren" but how "you" call Pandaren, as you probably don't call them by the name of the different groups as you do with the different groups of Thalassian Elves.

I mean, it's true... since there are also blood elf scholars in Telogrus Rift, void elves should also have green eyes LOL.

Want some popcorns, by the way?

[Lorca]

I mean, it's true... since there are also blood elf scholars in Telogrus Rift, void elves should also have green eyes LOL.

But you are assuming that those Blood Elves become Void Elves. Is there any indication of that ingame? And again, I am just curious, you don't need to "fight" against me, I'm not what people here call "anti-heifer".

... And if any of those Blood Elves become Void Elves, is it a transformation (in their essence and genetically), like the first Void Elves and the ones described ingame or are those new Void Elves not transformed by the Void and only learn how to use it? In that case, are those Blood Elves really Void Elves or just Blood Elves using the void but with more expertise than a shadow priest? In that case, they would remain being Blood Elves, wouldn't they?

Want some popcorns, by the way?

Sure, as long as they aren't of the sweet type.

[Varodoc]

But you are assuming that those Blood Elves become Void Elves. Is there any indication of that ingame? And again, I am just curious, you don't need to "fight" against me, I'm not what people here call "anti-heifer".

... And if any of those Blood Elves become Void Elves, is it a transformation (in their essence and genetically), like the first Void Elves and the ones described ingame or are those new Void Elves not transformed by the Void and only learn how to use it? In that case, are those Blood Elves really Void Elves or just Blood Elves using the void but with more expertise than a shadow priest? In that case, they would remain being Blood Elves, wouldn't they?



Sure, as long as they aren't of the sweet type.

I thought it was an established fact at this point that the pink skin void elves are those high elf scholars in Telogrus Rift? So it should be the same thing with the blood elf scholars. There is a reason why they are listening to Locus-Walker's teachings.

Your second paragraph is unnecessarily convoluted. I just want green eyes...

[Lorca]

I thought it was an established fact at this point that the pink skin void elves are those high elf scholars in Telogrus Rift? So it should be the same thing with the blood elf scholars. There is a reason why they are listening to Locus-Walker's teachings.

Your second paragraph is unnecessarily convoluted. I just want green eyes...

How is it established as a fact that the future pink skin Void Elves are those High Elf pilgrims? I can see why someone could infer that, but that's not a necessary truth established as a fact currently in the game, thus my wondering about it.

Is "convoluted" wrong or bad if you are interested in the lore?

[Varodoc]

How is it established as a fact that the future pink skin Void Elves are those High Elf pilgrims? I can see why someone could infer that, but that's not a necessary truth established as a fact currently in the game, thus my wondering about it.

Is "convoluted" wrong or bad if you are interested in the lore?

It's wrong and bad and a total waste of time. Do you want to know how green eyes for void elves will affect you? You will moan about it on the forums for a few days then move on with your life and forgot they are even a thing.

[Raisei]

Why would silvermoon lose its population to alliance defection? The story could simply refer to them mastering their void energy and looking less voidy.

Exactly. Alleria is still looking peachy unless she goes into her Void Form, so of course the other Velfs can learn it too, it is just a matter of practice and time.

[Alanar]

I'm hopeful that even if we don't get any new hairstyles or colors along with the new skin options, that allied races won't have to wait nearly as long as Worgen and Goblins did for additional options. I'd even go so far as to say I'd expect to see allied races that can reasonably use their parent race's new options get access to those options either at launch or in 9.1 or 9.2 the latest.

Nightborne need a lot of love though, and unfortunately also need more work than just inheriting options from Night Elves. Though I think inheriting some, if not all, Night Elf skin options is a possibility for them.

But yea, the 4 skin tones that look virtually the same and 2 different hair colors have a nearly identical color do artificially inflate how many options really exist.


I mean... really? These are supposed to be 4 different options? The differences are so minuscule as to be laughable.

Nigjtborne dont even havr the same eyes or hairstyles as their npc counterparts.. I mean we dont even look like nightborne. They have for example 3 skin color options.

They need work, like many other races.

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How is it established as a fact that the future pink skin Void Elves are those High Elf pilgrims? I can see why someone could infer that, but that's not a necessary truth established as a fact currently in the game, thus my wondering about it.

Is "convoluted" wrong or bad if you are interested in the lore?

Its not and will never.. that is the whole point in adding high elf options to void en blood elves. You can rp as one or are freely to do so, but it will never say in your tag or anything like that.

That is the whole purpose, same with trolls later.. like sand/jungle. There is no name tag, but you can rp as one.
This is the reason why they added it to both races.. this also is a clear way of saying you will not get high elves, bit you can try to rp as one.

Sure as hell Intended if you ask me.

[elbleuet]

Why would silvermoon lose its population to alliance defection? The story could simply refer to them mastering their void energy and looking less voidy.

First because not all blood elves feel Horde at heart.

Second because the void elves need other elves to join their ranks to survive. The High elves sure will join them. But also the Blood elves, way more numerous.

[DeicideUH]

First because not all blood elves feel Horde at heart.

Second because the void elves need other elves to join their ranks to survive. The High elves sure will join them. But also the Blood elves, way more numerous.

Third, because we see that happening in Telogrus, where there's 5 blood elves against 2 (sometimes 3) high elves learning with the void elves.

[Kyriani]

I do agree Nightborne need a world of help. Blizz really dropped the ball on them. I'm hoping that the Nightborne see some love with Shadowlands launch just as Void Elves seem to be getting. Particularly I hope they get some, if not all, Night Elf skin options, and especially new face options that allow them to look more like their NPCs. I'd also like to see some Blood Elf hair styles shared with them as well since they have too few IMO.

[Ardenaso]

With the threat of the Legion gone, shouldn't Malfurion and Tyrande allow the Highborne and the High Elves to bask in their moonwells and the Well of Eternity at this point?

[FlubberPuddy]

With the threat of the Legion gone, shouldn't Malfurion and Tyrande allow the Highborne and the High Elves to bask in their moonwells and the Well of Eternity at this point?

The lore between characters moves at a snails pace. For instance we just got some involvement with Lor'themar and not much changed with him other than "I have a girlfriend now" but his character being 'torn between the horde/duty/silvermoon and himself' wasn't any new development at all and more cuz Blizzard hasn't used him for anything much at all since his introduction, and that one time he almost joined up with the Alliance.

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But yea, the 4 skin tones that look virtually the same and 2 different hair colors have a nearly identical color do artificially inflate how many options really exist.


I mean... really? These are supposed to be 4 different options? The differences are so minuscule as to be laughable.

Yeah this is really dumb, "4 choices!" but they're all practically the same.

[Ielenia]

Yeah, no thanks, no way I am diving into the hundreds of pages that were written this last week here to show you what you already know perfectly is true.

Then do not go around making claims you cannot, or are not willing to back up.

Varadoc: “Void elves should definitely have green eyes as well.”
Frenchvince: “The hair colors blond, white, chestnut, silver before anyway lol”

Varadoc: “Yeah, give them green eyes. I already got my popcorns ready.”

(and if you doubt about that being true, you can check those in their post history)

... Did you really not realize those were comments made with the intention to "rile up" the other side? Really?

Just assume that they are exactly the same race, but that they call themselves differently because of their factions, nothing more. You could perfectly call them Alliance Thalassian Elves or Horde Thalassian Elves the same way you call every Pandaren just Pandaren regardless of their faction and not Huojin or Tushui. In the four cases the naming of the four different groups has exactly the same function and doesn't change the fact that below of that name lies the same thing if we talk in racial terms. Huojin and Tushui Pandaren are just Pandaren and High Elves and Blood Elves are just Thalassian Elves. What I pointed first was that in once case you don’t make any differentiation and call them the same way but in the other case you do.

Also, if you quote me, quote me correctly, I didn't ask how "we call Pandaren" but how "you" call Pandaren, as you probably don't call them by the name of the different groups as you do with the different groups of Thalassian Elves.

I'm calling them the way the game calls them. Huojin pandaren are called pandaren. Tushui pandaren are called pandaren. Blood elves are called blood elves. And high elves are called high elves.

[Ignaz]

some people can't let it go

Like you

The mutation on Blood elves isn't total yet, they still have their old racials, they are targeted as "half" demons for a reason, if they keep going well, they sure will be another thing, just like the felblood elves, who are indeed another race of elves

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation

Literally Mutation means genetic change, and if you know what that means, the simple fact that your eyes change color means a mutation expressed in a phenotypic change. Now, imagine horns growing on your head.

Phenotypic change happens with the mix of the organism genetic code and the environment, not the environment alone

Not in wow. In the real world we don't have Fel or light energy, that's why; We cannot witness these kinds of violent changes (not even with radiation). However, in wow there are those energies and more that allow violent mutations with slight phenotypic changes and other very striking ones.

In wow it is not necessary to cross genetic material from two individuals to create a mutation (genetic change). You just need to be near an energy source for that to happen.

Having the right genetic code, trough mutations, leave then propitious to prevail in certin conditions and thus, it shows in the outside

You are confusing the innate ability to adapt with mutations.If your grandfather and grandmother are going to live on the coast in the first stage of adulthood, then they have your parents on the same coast and your parents have you, that does not mean that you will go out with gills to better interact with the ocean

in the real world yes

That's why you can't use real life scientific terms in wow

Like i said, yo can't bring someone from the tropics and believe he will have the same resistance of cold than someone in iceland who his family is there from generations, no matter how hard you try, if you don't have already the right genes/mutations for that to happen.

Incorrect, the adaptability of mammals is extreme. That allows any normal human being to live in almost any part of the world (and getting used to it).

the foster's rule said a specie in an island tend to get bigger or smaller based on the resources available and also based around the predation, if there is no more predators or less than the mainland, species tend to get bigger, like the Kakapo, thats fits Kul'tiras, without "predators", enough resources, a group within then can become bigger

Until they extinguish other species

genotype changes happens in every generation because trade of genes, in wow things are faster and more wild than usual.

Again- that's why you can't bring real life science to wow


In fact. If we bring real life science to wow, it could be shown that just by having paler skin and blue eyes, Helves would be a different breed than Belves who have darker skin tones and green (mutated) eyes. , Sure; being both members of the same species.

[Alanar]

I mean, it's true... since there are also blood elf scholars in Telogrus Rift, void elves should also have green eyes LOL.

Want some popcorns, by the way?

Are you okey?

I guess you want them with salt?

[Villager720]

There's no false claim, you're just not getting it. The phrase "can't see the forest for the trees" can be aptly ascribed to you, although you probably won't get that as you clearly aren't able to see the obvious in the first place.

When did Blizzard say the alliance was getting playable high elves, as you quoted.