Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Vaedan]

but dh are not in the other faction either, their difference still boils down to the same race affected by demon magic, they didn't become something else yet, belves mutated by fel energies became felblood elves

I'm afraid the lore says something else. It is clear that demon hunters are now something different to what they were. It is first observed by Maiev in WC3 (first mission of Sentinel's Campaign in TFT:

"Illidan has grown powerful: of that, there is no doubt. He consumed the energies of the Skull of Gul'dan. Now he is neither night elf nor demon, but something more."

It is also later revealed that Illidan's soul and the soul of PC is actually changed by the demon within so they can be reborn in the Twisting Nether. While we know that not every demon hunter have this level of transformation, it is safe to speculate that there are more such individuals.

Also, there is small interaction with demon hunter PC and Dreamweaver NPCs in Val'sharah. If you approach Sylvia Harshorn (Dreamweavers Emissary) as DH, she says:

What have you done to yourself, <name>? You're more demon than <night elf/blood elf>.

You also need to consider fact that both night and blood elven demon hunters are rejected from their mother factions (it is often mentioned by various DH NPCs), they are feared and often met with prejudice. All Illidari consider themself loyal to the Illidan and his order, and then to respective factions. Racial allegiences are not important for them. They chose to work with factions only to defeat Burning Legion and to protect the Azeroth.

Also, felblood elves and sin'dorei illidari did completely different things. Felbloods drinked a lot of demon blood, thus become extremely fel corrupted. Illidari absorbed soul of a demon to gain spectral sight and other abilities of the demon. Two really different things. Apples to oranges.

The fact that Demon Hunters are labeled as Night Elves / Blood Elves and retain their racials is purely gameplay thing, pretty much in the same way as we have holy undead / void elf / mag'har orc priests or shadow draenei / lightforged draenei priests. There are pretty clear indications that demon hunters are not mere elves anymore.

On the other hand, there is no evidence that void elves are something more. In fact, ethereals wanted to transform them into beings of pure void, but they were interrupted. Void elves remained elves, but they gained additional powers. They are only able to infuse themselves with void powers for short period of time, and they are not even able to control when it happens. Demon hunters transform themselves at will into demon. Those are really different things. If the void elves would be able to transform into pure void being (like ethereal, voidwalker, faceless?) at will, then we may discuss they are on the same level of mutation as demon hunters. Right now, no void elf, even Alleria herself, is not able to do such thing.

[DeicideUH]

So, are we back to THAT discussion AGAIN?

Here's, let's hear an specialist:

https://wow.gamepedia.com/The_Old_Wizard%27s_Almanac

The Old Wizard's Almanac: The Alliance

As a historically Alliance-friendly organization, one would think that the Kirin Tor might not need a guidebook outlining the Alliance races. I feel that the opposite is true - that we can only understand the other races after truly looking inward. -O.W.

Human - As adaptable a race as you will ever find, humans can be some of the most highly skilled magic-users. Any list of the most powerful mages in history will be dominated by humans. Perhaps most tellingly, the Old Wizard himself is a human.

Dwarf - Dwarves possess a moderate magical acuity, but tend to have difficulty at the higher echelons of wizardry. While they tend to focus more on priestly endeavors, a rare few have been known to dabble in arcane or necromantic activities.

Gnome - Gnomes are remarkably adept arcanists. Pound for pound, they are some of the most potent casters the world has ever known, and have always had a presence in the Kirin Tor.

Night Elf - While night elves tend to avoid arcane energy like it was the Scourge, their druidic powers are second to none.

Draenei - This ancient race has brought the alliance both powerful wizards and masterful wielders of the Light. More recently, the Draenei have adopted shamanism after their arrival in Kalimdor.

High Elf - The magic of the high elves is extremely powerful. High elves possess a magical acumen that rivals that of any - even the humans. Some of the greatest heroes in the Battle of Mount Hyjal were the High Elf Priests.

The Old Wizard's Almanac: The Horde

Up until the last few years, most of my information on the Horde has been anecdotal, or inferred from my few experiences in battle against them. However, as the Kirin Tor has recently adopted a more neutral stance in Horde-Alliance relations, the amount of information on the Horde and their magic has exploded. - O.W.

Orc - Despite their obvious physical strength, they display a decent magical ability. Orcs tend to make poor arcanists, but culturally have a heritage of peaceful shamanism, combined with a more recent focus on the darker magic of warlocks and necromancy.

Tauren - Few experiment with the arcane, but the bull-men are highly attuned to the magics of the earth. As is the case with many nature-worshiping tribes, many follow the path of the shaman. Furthermore, their most senior druid can rival the archdruids of Darnassus in power.

Troll - A surprising affinity for the magic arts belies the troll's barbaric reputation and history. My Zul'tour - an expedition into the troll empires of Zul'Aman, Zul'Farrak, and Zul'Drak - has revealed a startling variety in troll casters, ranging from witch doctors to shadow priests to a bizarre animal worship that most closely resembles druidism.

Undead - The undead have as much magical skill as can be expected of any living human... if not more. Sylvanas' Forsaken, in particular, fling spells with the frightening levels of zeal.

Blood Elf - A history of prolonged exposure to magical energy has left an indelible mark on the Blood Elves. These lithe, magic-addicted creatures seem to fare well in any magical school they study. Most recently, the blood elves have take up the path of the "Blood Knight", which can be loosely described as a form of paladinism.

Taunka - Much like their tauren cousins, taunka tend to focus on magic stemming from the earth.

[Lorca]

"Racial terms" is a meaningless term, since "separate, independent, actual race" has been shown to not be a prerequisite for a given group to be playable.

Nice that you omitted the rest of the post, as you know you are plainly wrong about it and don't have any proper argument.

How is it a meaningless term if it has a meaning? Maybe you are the one, again, not knowing what some words mean. It's as simple as that regarding to the WoW concept of race -which is basically the word used as a synonym for species in the game-, Blood Elves and High Elves are the same, just as Huojin Pandaren and Tushui Pandaren are the same. Pretty simple. As I said, if you want to be picky, do it well.

And as far how "the game" calls them, just go check the quest text in which they call your character by their race: if you're a Tushi pandaren, they call you 'pandaren'. If you're a Huojin pandaren, they call you pandaren. If you are a blood elf, they call you a 'blood elf'.

That's just because of game design and due to the Pandaren being a neutral race. They could perfectly add Tushui or Huojin in front of Pandaren and it would work perfectly fine, even better, as it will show to which group they belong. Same thing could be applied to the Mag'har Orcs and their clans. Same race, different names.

In any case, in the Pandaren intro zone you are told about the differences about both Pandaren groups and again when you have to choose a faction. That the quest givers don't call you by that name doesn't change the fact that the game explicitly tells you the difference between both Pandaren groups and offer you to choose one of them, always taking into account their differences. Still, they are the same race, but a different group with a different name. If you don't see any other reference to their different name is mainly because Blizzard hasn't explore or develop the story of the two groups of Pandaren in both factions, but that's another subject.

And as for the high elves, check the Silver Covenant rep description:
[URL="https://wow.gamepedia.com/Silver_Covenant#Reputation_description"]"A militant core of high elves that rejects the admission of blood elves into the Kirin Tor. They've united under the banner of Vereesa Windrunner and joined the Alliance forces in Northrend."

So? Surprise, surprise, same thing happens with the Pandaren reputation of each faction if you click on their reputation bar: Huojin Pandaren for the Horde, and Tushui Pandaren for the Alliance, explaining what makes each group characteristic.

[FlubberPuddy]

So, are we back to THAT discussion AGAIN?

Here's, let's hear an specialist:

https://wow.gamepedia.com/The_Old_Wizard%27s_Almanac

Good to bring these up every now and then as I believe Blizzard forgot their own lore pieces like this as to how iconic the separation between those who identify as High Elves and those who identify as Blood Elves are.

Basically, the game itself consistently points out that High Elves and Blood Elves are different groups with different loyalties defining them. Thus despite being the same race the actual groups are different.

And this is all lore-based.

Being the same race has no factor. It's like trying to tell people Bronzebeards and Wildhammers are the exact same group because they're the same race. It looks super foolish and majority understand the differences.

Unless one is a pedant about gameplay design rather than lore.

[DeicideUH]

Good to bring these up every now and then as I believe Blizzard forgot their own lore pieces like this as to how iconic the separation between those who identify as High Elves and those who identify as Blood Elves are.

Blizzard didn't forget. We saw high and blood elves being distinguished in Legion, after all!

All other three preorder ARs were developed during Legion, only void elves were non-existing. Not even Alleria's design and colors have any hint of the future void elves. Why? Which race was on Alliance for most of Legion? High elves! I bet Alleria's return was meant to rally the high elves and make them playable. The plan was eventually opposed by part of the team and outvoted, so void elves replaced them at the last moment, leaving no room to properly develop their lore and give them a storyline. Because of the new void elves, Blizzard decided to reduce the high elf presence in BfA, to the point that a high elf mini-boss in Arathi battleground was replaced in alpha. However, forum backlash followed, and Blizzard eventually had to cave and try a new compromise through customization.

Ion's answers on "high elves are pretty much blood elves" always sounded to me as him trying to avoid explaining how the decision for void elves was made back then. Think about it, in that fateful interview, the question was: "Why void elves instead of high elves?", and the answer didn't try to promote the void elves, but make the high elves seem unimportant. That's because void elves weren't organically developed, they were a decision not even the team was fully behind.

[scubi666stacy]

Blizzard didn't forget. we saw high and blood elves being distinguished in Legion, after all!

All other three preorder ARs were developed during Legionm only void elves were non-existing. Not even Alleria's design and colors has any hint of the future void elves. Why? Which race was on Alliance for most of Legion? High elves! I bet Alleria's return was meant to rally the high elves and make them playable. The plan was eventually opposed by part of the team and outvoted, so void elves replaced them at the last moment, leaving no room to properly develop their lore and give them a storyline. Because of the new void elves, Blizzard decided to reduce the high elf presence in BfA, to the point that a high elf mini-boss in Arathi battleground was replaced in alpha. However, forum backlash followed, and Blizzard eventually had to cave and try a new compromise through customization.

Ion's answers on "high elves are pretty much blood elves" always sounded to me as him trying to avoid explaining how the decision for void elves was made back then. Think about it, in that fateful interview, the question was: "Why void elves instead of high elves?", and the answer didn't try to promote the void elves, but make the high elves seem unimportant. That's because void elves weren't organically developed, they were a decision not even the team was fully behind.

Sounds like a conspiracy theory for me.

BTW, while High Elves are mentioned on the Alliance side, they are not found in the core or allied races. The Wiki covers all Warcraft games, so it makes sense to mention High Elves because they have been playable on the Alliance in the RTS games, but they parted ways in WCIII. Case closed.

[Ardenaso]

I should post this again now that I have removed the unchristian R-18 words (please don't infract me this time)



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high elf mini-boss in Arathi battleground

who? the portal girl in Boralus?

[scubi666stacy]

I should post this again now that I have removed the unchristian R-18 words (please don't infract me this time)



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who? the portal girl in Boralus?

Yeah, the typical trope of an Elven chick falling for a Human male. Coming from some ***** who would never get to date a cheerleader in High School and compensates with a playmate fantasy. Gosh...

[Molvonos]

Yeah, the typical trope of an Elven chick falling for a Human male. Coming from some ***** who would never get to date a cheerleader in High School and compensates with a playmate fantasy. Gosh...

....What?

I have a feeling there's way more to this.

[FlubberPuddy]

Blizzard didn't forget. we saw high and blood elves being distinguished in Legion, after all!

All other three preorder ARs were developed during Legionm only void elves were non-existing. Not even Alleria's design and colors has any hint of the future void elves. Why? Which race was on Alliance for most of Legion? High elves! I bet Alleria's return was meant to rally the high elves and make them playable. The plan was eventually opposed by part of the team and outvoted, so void elves replaced them at the last moment, leaving no room to properly develop their lore and give them a storyline. Because of the new void elves, Blizzard decided to reduce the high elf presence in BfA, to the point that a high elf mini-boss in Arathi battleground was replaced in alpha. However, forum backlash followed, and Blizzard eventually had to cave and try a new compromise through customization.

Ion's answers on "high elves are pretty much blood elves" always sounded to me as him trying to avoid explaining how the decision for void elves was made back then. Think about it, in that fateful interview, the question was: "Why void elves instead of high elves?", and the answer didn't try to promote the void elves, but make the high elves seem unimportant. That's because void elves weren't organically developed, they were a decision not even the team was fully behind.

Yup I remember that replacement, I wonder if the people who opposed the decision back then have since left the team or somehow somewhere something made them come to the conclusion of 'let's finally give Alliance High Elves and let's give the option to Horde too since it's very contentious to only give to one side'.

Yeah Ion never tried to make Void Elves sound like a superior option, probably because of what you've said and I still think it was due to a higher up producer who happens to have had a VE NPC named after them and their husband as well.

I was always saying back then too that if High Elves didn't the make the cut over Void Elves (because HE may have been deemed too similar at the time) then they would surely follow afterwards. Feels good to be right

But regardless of all that happened, it's amazing we're here today where High Elves are coming to Alliance, can't wait to see the options get onto the Alpha so it can be properly put the Wowhead dressing room.

[Ignaz]

but dh are not in the other faction either

my point is not about which faction they are in, it is about the mere concept of race. using real science, they would be cataloged as a different breed than the Belves, however; are shown in the game as simple Belves.

belves mutated by fel energies became felblood elves

Felelves are just another example

it is stated that even the high elves who were in quel'thalas at that time would be affected, the interactions of blood elves were not enough to change a race, since we know for sure, by all blizz sources that they are still the same race biologically, the ones who did change were felblood elves

For Blizzard, those who use scientific terms incorrectly. They can do what comes out of their ass but that does not mean that it has any relationship with science.

I want to make something clear, I am not saying that Helves and Belves are different races by Blizzard standards. The point I want to get to is that if we use real life scientific principles in a fantasy game, we will find a sea of contradictions, that is why you cannot mix the logic of the real world with the logic of a fantasy world.
In this case, the mere concept of race is violated by the logic of the game; in part by the terms invented by the developers themselves.

there still ones pales and there still ones with the normal eye color

It's true, but I repeat: Helves (who never interacted with fel magic) and Belves (who did interact and had subtle mutations) can be considered different races of the same species if we use real life science. Blizzard Interested? nope; that is why they can decide whether or not they are different races and put it in their official sources. and that's why you can't use information based on real life facts in a game that comes from the imagination of fantasy content creators

we can use in a degree, because they themselves use it too

you can't, or you use it completely or you don't use it. And again, They can do what comes out of their ass but that does not mean that it has any relationship with real science.

lwith the elves glow is more colateral effect to the radiation rather than mutation

contradiction

since their eyes glows based in all energies they use, like a tan, if it reverts, its not a mutation

How do you know it is not a mutation if it is based on magic?

not mutated, and even if it was, there is the reverse of the mutation, so there would be no difference at all

still have darker skin tones

and i didn't said it was a fact, just a logic theory

That's what i'm telling you; it's just a hypothesis, not a fact. Therefore you cannot verify or prove your point

I can't use, blizzard can, and their absolute terms is that blood and high elf are the same race, they are equal in biology and anything else, the only difference is one is alliance and the other is horde

Of course. and that's why it doesn't have to do with real science but with the logic of the game.

and that we have not even touched the point of ficiology...

some like to show how drastically and deep is their "cultural" difference is, regardless of being just a few years of separation, and claim that is enough to be a different race, that, i don't agre

that's content for another debate

that is not incorrect, is the general definition of species

I already explained that to you with concepts backed by science.

equines are someway related

they are still different species

but when you put Draeneis, beings of a far world and orcs, who came from a long line of beings created by the elements and a titan and they can reproduce, and can also reproduce with humans, deformed children of titan constructs affected by a old curse, things go out of hand

exactly! that's why you can't use REAL WORLD SCIENCE in a FANTACIA game

To be honest, I don't know what your point is anymore

lets put 2 people to do this same condition, one who is predisposed with better genetic to that kind of thing, and the other who isn't, in the same time, who do you think will get more jacked?

the one who does the right exercise

there is tons of examples of people who eat as fuck and never get fat, but another who eat less and get fat, those things are all genetic

This has more to do with metabolic behavior in the principle of energy creation (krebs cycle) and also the distribution of body fat (not everything goes to the belly), and also the diet, of course.
You can't blame everything on genetics hehe xD

i mean we can, but we can only stick with animals, the rest is off-limits

in wow, not even animals are saved from the twisted logic of a fantasy world

[DeicideUH]

who? the portal girl in Boralus?

No, a mini-boss that guarded an Alliance checkpoint in the road just above Stromgarde was a high elf originally. They later replaced it with the gnome on the tank, I think.

[Frenchvince]

It was this high elf who was removed from Arathi's warfront.

https://twitter.com/NicaraoGaming/st...558465/photo/1

[Evilfish]

Once again, you are wrong. They have different allegiances. They had different ways to deal with the magic withdrawal when the Sunwell was corrupted. Their culture can be argued to have become differentiated due to their status as exiles.

I brought this up earlier. High Elves are not high elves cause they are under the Alliance banner. It was said several times, by the develoeprs themselves but not like I'd expect you people to understand or accept that there's no difference between them aside the color they done, previously it might have been the eyes but even that is going to get rectified.

What culture differences? Actually what culture? Aside the Helfs having some unexplained hatred towards the belfs that has no valid reason and it crossed the idiocy line, there's nothing going on with the helfs. Your helf culture is a rabied, irrational reaction device to belfs. Nothing more. So my advice to you is to forget about helf culture and focus on velf culture instead, you might even start enjoying yourself.

[DeicideUH]

Yup I remember that replacement, I wonder if the people who opposed the decision back then have since left the team or somehow somewhere something made them come to the conclusion of 'let's finally give Alliance High Elves and let's give the option to Horde too since it's very contentious to only give to one side'.

Most likely the second option, IMO.

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It was this high elf who was removed from Arathi's warfront.

https://twitter.com/NicaraoGaming/st...558465/photo/1

Cool, that's the one.

[Ielenia]

Nice that you omitted the rest of the post, as you know you are plainly wrong about it and don't have any proper argument.

I omitted because the rest of the argument was based on a wrong premise, which I addressed.

How is it a meaningless term if it has a meaning? Maybe you are the one, again, not knowing what some words mean. It's as simple as that regarding to the WoW concept of race -which is basically the word used as a synonym for species in the game-, Blood Elves and High Elves are the same, just as Huojin Pandaren and Tushui Pandaren are the same. Pretty simple. As I said, if you want to be picky, do it well.

And both Tushui and Huojin pandaren are playable, meaning that being "actual separate race" is not a prerequisite for them to become playable.

That's just because of game design and due to the Pandaren being a neutral race. They could perfectly add Tushui or Huojin in front of Pandaren and it would work perfectly fine, even better, as it will show to which group they belong. Same thing could be applied to the Mag'har Orcs and their clans. Same race, different names.

Coulda-shoulda-woulda. Then why did they not? Why didn't Blizzard made the NPCs refer to pandaren characters as "Huojin pandaren" and "Tushui pandaren"?

In any case, in the Pandaren intro zone you are told about the differences about both Pandaren groups and again when you have to choose a faction. That the quest givers don't call you by that name doesn't change the fact that the game explicitly tells you the difference between both Pandaren groups and offer you to choose one of them, always taking into account their differences. Still, they are the same race, but a different group with a different name. If you don't see any other reference to their different name is mainly because Blizzard hasn't explore or develop the story of the two groups of Pandaren in both factions, but that's another subject.

Your comparison with the pandarens fail because this comparison assumes that, if high elves became a playable race, that would somehow make the thalassian race a "neutral race", like the pandaren. The high elves would not have the same hair styles, racials, mounts, etc., as the blood elves. Or even the same starting zone.

So? Surprise, surprise, same thing happens with the Pandaren reputation of each faction if you click on their reputation bar: Huojin Pandaren for the Horde, and Tushui Pandaren for the Alliance, explaining what makes each group characteristic.

You asked for instances in the game in which the high elves are called high elves and blood elves called 'blood elves'. You've been shown them.

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Aside the Helfs having some unexplained hatred towards the belfs that has no valid reason

High elves: "Look, I'm sorry, but we cannot support this. This is mana vampirism, and it goes against what we believe."
Blood elves: "Oh, you don't agree with us? THEN GET THE FUCK OUT OF YOUR OWN HOMES!! FOREVER!! I HOPE YOU ALL DIE IN THE PLAGUELANDS!!!"

Yeah. 'unexplained hatred for no reason', indeed.

[DeicideUH]

Sounds like a conspiracy theory for me.

It's speculative analysis of a corporate decision. Why weren't void elves properly developed and presented in Legion?
Even Danuser once said that they came to be after Alleria's story was an internal success. That means after 8.3 was mostly done. So... what was the plan for the 4th allied race before that? What was being seeded in Legion before that?

BTW, while High Elves are mentioned on the Alliance side, they are not found in the core or allied races. The Wiki covers all Warcraft games, so it makes sense to mention High Elves because they have been playable on the Alliance in the RTS games, but they parted ways in WCIII. Case closed.

First, that is not a text written for the wiki, but found in-game. It's a canonical in-universe opinion.

Second, Taunka is listed as a Horde race in it. So, it isn't about only playable races or a reference to past games, it covered even some minor races affiliated with each faction that were important in that expansion (WotLK).

Third, even if it was just a reference to past games, it still is an account of a in-universe character listing high and blood elves are separate "races".

[Evilfish]

High elves: "Look, I'm sorry, but we cannot support this. This is mana vampirism, and it goes against what we believe."
Blood elves: "Oh, you don't agree with us? THEN GET THE FUCK OUT OF YOUR OWN HOMES!! FOREVER!! I HOPE YOU ALL DIE IN THE PLAGUELANDS!!!"

Yeah. 'unexplained hatred for no reason', indeed.

Indeed. The banishment does not justify the shere hatred they have for their former comrades. Especially considering they have no issue with the nelfs who also banished them. It seems more to me like they overcompensated on the hatred gauge to please their human masters, but I guess that's a given, because I was wrong. The alliance helfs do have another role. To be human girlfiriends. That's the state of the alliance helfs is a total joke and it has been for years.

The belfs were even kind enough to allow helfs a pilgrimage to the Sunwell and the alliance helf reaction has remained "grrr grrr, we still hate you more than anyone...ever". An absolute joke.

[Lorca]

I omitted because the rest of the argument was based on a wrong premise, which I addressed.

What premise? You don't even know what a premise is. Stop using words of which you don't know the meaning. Just as you show with rebranded and phenotype.

And both Tushui and Huojin pandaren are playable, meaning that being "actual separate race" is not a prerequisite for them to become playable.

?

Coulda-shoulda-woulda. Then why did they not? Why didn't Blizzard made the NPCs refer to pandaren characters as "Huojin pandaren" and "Tushui pandaren"?.

Yeah, blablaing, that seems to be the thing you do best. I told you: game design. Laziness. It's irrelevant how the quest givers refer to those Pandaren, as other NPC's clearly specify the difference between those groups, as the text of the reputation for both groups do. The main problem here, and which you try constantly to dodge, is that you call the Thalassian Elves allied with the Alliance "High Elves" to differentiate them, because you want to highlight that they're differnet -even if they're the same race-, but you don't do that with the Pandaren, which shows your arbitrary criterion, as the naming in both situations works EXACTLY the same.

Your comparison with the pandarens fail because this comparison assumes that, if high elves became a playable race, that would somehow make the thalassian race a "neutral race", like the pandaren. The high elves would not have the same hair styles, racials, mounts, etc., as the blood elves. Or even the same starting zone.

That comparison is not assuming anything. Comparisons don't assume anything, they don't have any kind of will or intelligence to do that. In any case, you, and only you, are the one assuming here that the "Thalassian race" would become neutral if High Elves became playable. And not only that, but you also assume that both groups would have different hairstyles, racials, mounts and starting zones. I only talked -and it's already too repetitive to say it- about how the naming of both cases works, in the cases of the Pandaren and the Thalassian Elves, which is linguistically the same, and this is not hard to understand.

You asked for instances in the game in which the high elves are called high elves and blood elves called 'blood elves'. You've been shown them.

No, I didn't ask for that. Learn to read or stop lying. You exactly said, and I am quoting you, "I'm calling them the way the game calls them. Huojin pandaren are called pandaren. Tushui pandaren are called pandaren. Blood elves are called blood elves. And high elves are called high elves.", to which I asked you how is the game calling them anything. And in any case, the game "calls" -horrible metaphor, by the way- them Tushui and Huojin Pandaren, as those two names exist in the game for something. The problem, again, is that you ignore them because you are only interested in High Elves. You are "precise" with the details you are interested in only, and that's pretty much being cynical. You do that for the High Elf and Blood Elf groups, calling them differently, but not for the Pandaren, or even, as I said, the Mag'har Orcs.

[FlubberPuddy]

Most likely the second option, IMO.

Clearly, given how petty some people are still being despite the fact that Blizzard themselves have settled the matter and decided that sharing is the way to go.

I guess some just don't like to share?