Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Kyphael]

...Why has the NightElf/Nightborne thread migrated over here? This is the High Elf thread.

Got to keep it churning somehow despite everyone more or less getting exactly what they wanted. Void Elves can now look like High Elves, Blood Elves get blue eye options. At this point it's just capriciousness keeping this thing as active as is. I suppose some people like to discuss their triumphs and exchange ideas in their excitement of the new customization options to come, and I guess that's all the thread needs to justify it still existing. It's definitely fostering more relevant discussion than the drivel that used to be regurgitated here on a daily basis now that certain parties are no longer active in the discussion, or derailing it, rather.

[Doffen]

...Why has the NightElf/Nightborne thread migrated over here? This is the High Elf thread.

Its a 1000 pages long thread. So some side topics are bound to happen. And it is side topic, High Elves came from Night Elves. That there are some paralells isn't really so surprising.

Sorry! 999 pages! *Drum roll*

[FlubberPuddy]

Why when they themselves re-named themselves Blood Elves in honor of their fallen at the hands of the Scourge? It would be a disservice to that homage. "Ok, let's go back to being High Elves for... reasons (!?!? oh, right, because butt hurt Horde can't stomach the thought High Elves originally belonged to the Alliance), we've honored our fallen brethren long enough!

You can tell who actually likes Blood Elves for being Blood Elves and who just picked them for pretty race looks on Horde by comments like the one you quoted.

It's clear (always was) many people just play the race for its looks rather than actually wanting to uphold w/e identity it has within the lore.

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...Why has the NightElf/Nightborne thread migrated over here? This is the High Elf thread.

Does it matter? People talk about elves in elf-based threads - the horror!


/s

[LilSaihah]

Does it matter? People talk about elves in elf-based threads - the horror!

Why would we speak about those disgusting creatures here? There can be no negotiation with abominations.

[FlubberPuddy]

Idk from what I'm reading there doesn't exactly seem to be an end-goal. I'm waiting for more fan-art to be posted otherwise just quick-scrolling through the essays lol.

Few more coming right up, these will finally be realized

[Doffen]

You can tell who actually likes Blood Elves for being Blood Elves and who just picked them for pretty race looks on Horde by comments like the one you quoted.

It's clear (always was) many people just play the race for its looks rather than actually wanting to uphold w/e identity it has within the lore.

I would wager that 9 of 10 players choose a character for their looks rather than lore


Its nice to see pale playable High Elves in the Alliance. And I wouldn't mind Blood Elves having their green eye color, only. Because to me thats what the Blood Elves are, and would like their identity to be(of course not only the eyes, but their whole story being Belves). Like Valeera. My favorite elf atm. Looks so good!

Blue eyes are for wussy elves! (Oh yeah, my Belf Hunter is getting those shiny blue eyes!)

[FlubberPuddy]

Why would we speak about those disgusting creatures here? There can be no negotiation with abominations.

This kind of post reminds me of the other MMO-C poster who seems to hate elf focus in WoW but plays as an elf in any-game they can while also creating artwork of elves for their portrait.

Unsure on the validity of elf-based complaints from people like that.

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I would wager that 9 of 10 players choose a character for their looks rather than lore

Yup, it's why even Syegfryed dodged my question if he'd like Ogres that looked like teletubbies! Virtually everyone picks a race based on looks and don't give a shiiiiet about its lore, very few do. So reading all those 'ah ha it was about looks all along!!' when Blizzard officially announced High Elves for both sides was simply hilarious.

Its nice to see pale playable High Elves in the Alliance. And I wouldn't mind Blood Elves having their green eye color, only. Because to me thats what the Blood Elves are, and would like their identity to be(of course not only the eyes, but their whole story being Belves). Like Valeera. My favorite elf atm. Looks so good!

Blue eyes are for wussy elves! (Oh yeah, my Belf Hunter is getting those shiny blue eyes!)

I can see the Valeera angle and some people do RP a Blood Elf being loyal to the Alliance, but I think Blizzard is going to limit green and gold eyes to Blood Elves.

I'm neutral on it, but if it were my choice I wouldn't have race/faction/class restrictions in place in an RPG as part of an RPG is making the exact character you want.

[ravenmoon]

I would wager that 9 of 10 players choose a character for their looks rather than lore


Its nice to see pale playable High Elves in the Alliance. And I wouldn't mind Blood Elves having their green eye color, only. Because to me thats what the Blood Elves are, and would like their identity to be(of course not only the eyes, but their whole story being Belves). Like Valeera. My favorite elf atm. Looks so good!

Blue eyes are for wussy elves! (Oh yeah, my Belf Hunter is getting those shiny blue eyes!)

it's true, looks or racials for performance > lore

But lore is still relevant, and well if you're going to step into a fantasy, you might as well do so looking GOOD !!

who will be the first post of the page 1000 - it's gone 1000 pages long.

[Syegfryed]

There is none that confirms your claims, and all that you have presented so far are too vague to be conclusive evidence of anything.

that of course, you think so

"We" refers to the Thornspeakers. However, when he speaks of the 'descendants', he uses the word "their", implying that they are not the descendants of the Thornspeaker drust.

no, it means their descendants, the ones who joined kul'tirans society

If those descendants were indeed from the Thornspeaker drust, Ulfar would refer to them as "our" descendants.

we didn't say "we" because there is none of his descendants, there is no sense in including him, even that you want to distort to fit your narrative, incredible, let alone just the kul'tirans who look like drust who hear the call

Reading comprehension, my dude. It helps.

Maybe your reading comprehension is on pair of your genetics knowledge, very low

No. No, it's not. Because me quoting you first does not "force" you in any way, shape or form to continue responding forever and ever.

neither my comments stop you from stoping, since all i said are falsehoods

That's not how it works. "Exceptions" don't work when you're making claims that "not a single event exists".

there is exactly how exceptions works rofl

Here's the thing: it's not "biased" when we have sufficient evidence that "playable races" do not follow the traditional, real life definition of "race", evidenced by pandaren, worgen, demon hunters, and likely kul tirans and void elves.

and since pandarens are not considered two different races, when they are the same race, in different factions, is completely nonsensical to say high elves and blood elves are different.

[Ardenaso]

Did they? Really? Where is that stated? That's news to me.

tried to look it up again and I must have misread it before - it was supposed to be Dalaranians giving High Elves some mana crystals and back in Silvermoon the wealthy elites having the mana crystals in bulk

[Lorca]

I wrote: "Their groups live peacefully and amicably on the Wandering Isle, to the point of Aysa and Ji being friends."
You replied: "*Used to live."

No, you are lying again hahaha. You didn’t say that. Why don’t you take the time to at least read your own posts?

What you exactly said, and I am quoting you -by the way, I am going to teach you another thing, in case you didn’t learn it already in this discussion; if you are going to quote someone, you have to quote exactly the same words as that person used, not the ones that you want- was the next:

“Other than the fact that their groups live peacefully and amicably on the Wandering Isle, to the point of Aysa and Ji being friends.”

And not what you are saying. You can check that. And that affirmation of yours was used as an argument to defend your senseless thesis of the Huojin and Tushui Pandaren not thinking "of themselves as separate from each other”. Which as demonstrated is no proof of anything, neither a fact: that's you assuming things.

And then, I answered correcting you, they used to live there “amicably”, in the past, but that ends at the moment they choose a faction and start killing each other when they are at war.

And your answer to that was again going to nowhere near the matter we were arguing about, asking me to show you -I am quoting you again- “where it says that the Huojin and Tushui pandaren are not amicable toward one-another again, in the Wandering Isle or anywhere else”. Don’t you really see the mess your argumentation is? I am asking you again: what is the relation between amicability and the Huojin and Tushui Pandaren not thinking "of themselves as separate from each other”? And how does a supposed amicability once they choose a faction -and which I doubt about, since they’re factually killing each other- with not thinking "of themselves as separate from each other”? Honestly, there’s zero sense in the logic you are using.

What else can be taken from that? To me, that means you're saying that the Huojin and Tushui used to live peacefully and amicably. If that was not your intention, then do not blame me for your vague sentences.

Yeah, vague when you ignore and don’t even quote or read the rest of that paragraph. That’s lying, as you know there was more written and you are blatantly ignoring it on purpose.

I'm not being dishonest, and I'm not "changing what I'm defending". When you make an incorrect assumption, I correct you. The problem is that you're coming into this discussion so very late-- and I mean that literally: your first post in this thread dates May 27th, 2020-- without proper knowledge of the terms being used here, complaining about people using terms and definitions you don't agree with, when said terms and definitions have been used here for many months, if not years.
You act like you've been part of this discussion for a long time, when you're not.

Shall I quote that story of yours some post over this one? How do you know I haven’t been here? In fact, I’ve been here for longer than you think. This account is pretty much new and I used to have another one, but it was deleted when MMO changed of their politics and I didn’t make any change as I wasn’t using it at the moment. So, yeah, I’ve been around for some time. And I’ve been told in this threat already that I am going too much into the details… so I think I know “my lore”. But that’s irrelevant. Shall I ask you for a pass so I can give my opinion in this threat? Pretty totalitarian attitude, if you ask me.

And yet I'm the one "bringing irrelevant or trivial stuff”.

It isn’t irrelevant, as you are using all the time words and concepts of which you show you know nothing at all. That would be the first point of it being relevant. The second point would be explaining you that the verb rebrand could be used, firstly, to rename a brand, which Blood Elves are not, and also, stretching the meaning of this word, it could be applied to organizations. But… didn’t you say that the Blood Elves consider themselves a different race? Maybe they’re just different groups (organizations) and not different races and you’ve been thinking that all along? 8)

I'm not. Read above.

You are, and you’ve been given proofs of it several times, also in this very post.

Insults? Noice~

Is being a little kid something bad? Do you have any problem with children? I just compared your attitude with a kid, which basically means that your answers are immature.

I did not.

Yep, you definitely did ask for back up to other people. Here you go: “”Yikes" is the correct sentiment to anyone reading your posts. I honestly don't know if you severely lack reading comprehension, or failing utterly at making a joke.”; you implied that anyone reading my posts would get a “yikes”. Do other people care about this? I don’t think so. It’s just you and me at this point. And it’s called implicatures.

You first.

Don’t worry, as I show you, I already do. But if you need help I could help you, don’t worry -in fact, I am already doing it!-.

So... you know the definition... and yet fail utterly to apply it correctly. Because it's not a lie and one is not lying when what they say is a misunderstanding.

Yes, I am one of those crazy and strange people who use words of which they know the meaning, and if they don’t they just don’t use them, or ask about the meaning of them, and more importantly don’t pretend to know the meaning of them.

Also, you still didn’t say what was written unclear for you to misunderstand it. Not a single quote.

[Kyphael]

You can tell who actually likes Blood Elves for being Blood Elves and who just picked them for pretty race looks on Horde by comments like the one you quoted.

It's clear (always was) many people just play the race for its looks rather than actually wanting to uphold w/e identity it has within the lore.

Pretty much, it's clear High Elves were never part of the Horde, in either name nor idealism. By the time that group joined the Horde, they had already re-named themselves Blood Elves and undergone a huge cultural shift, Ion's ignorant quote that no longer holds water notwithstanding.

[Doffen]

I can see the Valeera angle and some people do RP a Blood Elf being loyal to the Alliance, but I think Blizzard is going to limit green and gold eyes to Blood Elves.

I'm neutral on it, but if it were my choice I wouldn't have race/faction/class restrictions in place in an RPG as part of an RPG is making the exact character you want.

I am more talking about looks when it comes to Valeera. Like thats how a Blood Elf should look like. I like Blood Elves being their own thing, don't have to mingle with anyone really. Not even the Horde. Green eyes, and maybe golden eyes should be enough. Alliance? More like Lameiance!

If it was my choice, the faction barrier would be gone. I mean, the npcs do it, why can't we.

it's true, looks or racials for performance > lore

But lore is still relevant, and well if you're going to step into a fantasy, you might as well do so looking GOOD !!

who will be the first post of the page 1000 - it's gone 1000 pages long.

Yeah, to me lore is cool and is a part of some of the choices I make, like the going Night Elf Mage when Suramar was current. But I guess generally(me included) looks are as important and are the general "why" people choose the race they want to play with. Though I guess it can be dangerous to generalize too much.

[ravenmoon]

Now I wonder how many will play high elves once this goes lives

My bet is that it will chop numbers from the human and night elf poulations, I don't expect any major horde players to re reoll alliance just to play high elves that look like blood elves they can already be, even with blue eyes.

[Ardenaso]

Happy 1000 pages!

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I don't expect any major horde players to re reoll alliance just to play high elves that look like blood elves they can already be, even with blue eyes.

the only ones who would would probably be the ones who are too tired to see their pretty elf in the spiky brutish and burly faction and to shift to a new environment with castles churches and gallant shit

[Doffen]

Wooohoo 1000 pages.

Celebrating with a pizza for this occasion!

(no, not really :- )

[FlubberPuddy]

Pretty much, it's clear High Elves were never part of the Horde, in either name nor idealism. By the time that group joined the Horde, they had already re-named themselves Blood Elves and undergone a huge cultural shift, Ion's ignorant quote that no longer holds water notwithstanding.

It's always just funny when people try to defend them though, despite essentially being 'humans of the Horde' and then seeing those same people being all disgusted by the humans in the game. Quite the irony going on.

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I am more talking about looks when it comes to Valeera. Like thats how a Blood Elf should look like. I like Blood Elves being their own thing, don't have to mingle with anyone really. Not even the Horde. Green eyes, and maybe golden eyes should be enough. Alliance? More like Lameiance!

If it was my choice, the faction barrier would be gone. I mean, the npcs do it, why can't we.

Ah I see what you mean! Agree, and yes same on faction barrier. Hard agree!

It'll most likely happen wayyy into the future, the fact that there has been more talk about it recently, even internally means it's much more likely than ever before.

I think people are getting tired of old game design (like PvP/PvE servers were) compromising their fun.

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Now I wonder how many will play high elves once this goes lives

My bet is that it will chop numbers from the human and night elf poulations, I don't expect any major horde players to re reoll alliance just to play high elves that look like blood elves they can already be, even with blue eyes.

I actually think Night Elves will stay safe just because the shift to m+ has made them standouts as far as racial abilities go (also that they'll be receiving new customizations and have always looked gorgeous), I can see more numbers being taken from humans but then again Humans will always be popular as we the players are humans ourselves

What I think we'll actually see is that the unpopular races will see a shift towards the more popular races on Alliance side, and this will end up bringing up Void Elf numbers because I don't know many who will switch mains to Void Elves even as High Elves especially as both Humans and Night Elves have access to very popular classes (Paladins/Druids).

I see a surge in Void Elf Hunters/Mages tho for sure

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Also happy 1000 pages everyone!!

[ravenmoon]

Happy 1000 pages!

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the only ones who would would probably be the ones who are too tired to see their pretty elf in the spiky brutish and burly faction and to shift to a new environment with castles churches and gallant shit

Even if that, the mass prediction of the horde blood elf fan base that felt that claimed the alliance shoudln't have high elves because it would destroy the horde population will be proved to be rubbish.

Now, in 2008/9 I agreed with that concern mostly, , but around 2014, I felt it had become irrelvantmostly, the horde push was successful, my reasons were exactly that, people aren't going to leave their horde guilds to roll a toon that looks identical on the opposite faction just because they're high elves, a tiny minority might, guilds won't change because of this and players wouldn't flock over.


The horde crowd were only saying this because they didn't want alliance to have high elves. They felt entitled and took it too far that the horde had the prettiest model, and didn't want the alliance to have it - this is the horde's you can't have it, like a kid who doesn't want this brother or friend to have his toy, enjoys the attention everyone gives him and how many peole come over to his side for that toy, so jealously protects it.

It's exactly the same behaviour that's going on with the night elf argument over having arcane magic or living inSuramar or cities like it. oh night elves can't live there <insert bous and meaningless reason, that sounds good, but actually isn't really> , alll so that the prettiest stuff is on their faction. Nevermind that both Blood elves, Silvermoon as well as Suramar, Nightborne are actually part of the High elf race and lore and the night elf race and lore - to not want alliance fans to have anything like it is wow - double standard to say the least - like alliance fans enjoyed having the elves they loved been shown as better in every way on the opposite factoin, coudln't play as high elf, and then to rub it in, the nicest parts of the night elves going horde too - as if the developers way saying no, if you're an alliance elf fan, especially a night elf fan your fate is to be burnt alive, mass killed, homeless and continue without any of the cool things we gave your race.. that's only reserved for the horde.


And the horde fans agree... with this assessment, they're fine.

[FlubberPuddy]

Alliance will finally get their LOTR



Minus green eyes there ofc

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Wooohoo 1000 pages.

Celebrating with a pizza for this occasion!

(no, not really :- )

I actually want to celebrate with pizza now lol

[ravenmoon]

I actually think Night Elves will stay safe just because the shift to m+ has made them standouts as far as racial abilities go (also that they'll be receiving new customizations and have always looked gorgeous), I can see more numbers being taken from humans but then again Humans will always be popular as we the players are humans ourselves

What I think we'll actually see is that the unpopular races will see a shift towards the more popular races on Alliance side, and this will end up bringing up Void Elf numbers because I don't know many who will switch mains to Void Elves even as High Elves especially as both Humans and Night Elves have access to very popular classes (Paladins/Druids).

I see a surge in Void Elf Hunters/Mages tho for sure

Hah, well it remains to be seen if night elves would actually end up looking very good. it's not impossible, but so much work, neck posture, better faces (for male, including younger ones), better beards (all but one are amish) - the list goes on. It's a lot to fix, and I suspect we'll get one or two things, but not much more.


We'll see, they're been left so late, once again, it's june now, alpha is already 2 months in, beta around the corner, and release soon. Last time in 6.0, night elves, esp night elf males were left till one of the last, and were sloppy. But hey, you can be a high elf now so who cares right?

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Happy 1000 pages!

Wow, I can't believe it, what a journey it has been, i'd like to thank my family, mum I love you, all my colleagues and team who've worked so hard to get us this far, I love you guys, this is for you xD