Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[corebit]

We're redefining High elves, so obviously we're also going to redefine their structures and other details. I could spend 20 minutes refuting all your points, but when I read the part about just rolling Blood elves, you clearly have no idea what High elves are, their identity or what makes them special and why people want to play them.

Humor me then, what exactly makes High Elves special from Blood Elves aside from having no self-dignity and a love to be subservient to humans?

[Shibito]

That made me chuckle... >.>

Look we get it you don't want the Alliance to have anything nice for personal reasons, it's getting boring now.

Why are you still here dont you have a discord to not get oposing opionions on?

[Shibito]

Yeah I must admit I'm not going to rise to this sort of bait anymore, Over the last few days I've read alot of anti High Elf poster remarks and their attitudes, y'know what they're just not worth it I now know a majority of them are sad little trolls who think it's funny to rile people up... sad and for what it's worth most of them can't spell for shit its funny.

Its funny you call others trolls but guess your victim complex strikes again, and do me a favour dont move to Norway we dont want you here.

[Gurluas]

Humor me then, what exactly makes High Elves special from Blood Elves aside from having no self-dignity and a love to be subservient to humans?

Kay I'll try. High elves were the moral ones who objected to draining magic from living beings and killing them, they believed that they should take this chance to change themselves and not recklessly use magic, but find a way to subsist without magic. This division was clearly so great that Lor'themar ended up exiling a large group of Elves who held these beliefs. These High elves settled in the lodges or in Alliance lands, and retook their ancestral name of High elves and decided to fight their addiction without compromising their morals. The High elves used many methods to fight their addiction, from carrying artifacts releasing passive arcane, to meditation and other techniques. Some High elves completely stopped using any Arcane magic at all like the ones in Quel'danil.

Of course there are several groups of High elves, like the ones in Dalaran who just carried on as they used to and are basically Blue Belves, or the ones in Outland whose ideology is uncertain but they seemed to get along with Belves after Kael got deposed, or at least some did.

But the ones I like are the ones who refused to compromise their morals and beliefs, and fought their addiction and won. The ones who stuck to the Alliance and their old allies and scorned the Horde. It's why I always loved the High elves, because I looked on them and I saw people willing to fight and not give in to their addiction, while the Blood elves gave in, became volatile, started meddling with Fel and so on.

Generally I like those High elves that we saw around that time, and they're vastly different in both ideology and beliefs than both Blood elves and Void elves.
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Priest_Ennas

This is the closest to Blood elves having beliefs similar to High elves, and they got mind raped for it.

[Deleted]

I'd be down for Alliance allied Thalassian Elves to be consolidated into an allied race with their own model, including High Elves and Half Elves via customization options. (Shorter ears, skin tones etc) As well combining the spread out forces (Silver Covenant, Quel'Danil and such) with their own little flairs. A little like how the Mag'har orcs throw all the varied Orc clans under one umbrella. You can be a pure High Elf if you want, but Half Elf options are there for a bit more variety.

High Elves having no self-dignity

They aren't the ones following the whims of an undead warlord haphazardly throwing blight around and raising her own forces as mindless undead. One would think the Blood Elves of Silvermoon would have a problem with that kind of thing.

[Gurluas]

I'd be down for Alliance allied Thalassian Elves to be consolidated into an allied race with their own model, including High Elves and Half Elves via customization options. (Shorter ears, skin tones etc) As well combining the spread out forces (Silver Covenant, Quel'Danil and such) with their own little flairs. A little like how the Mag'har orcs throw all the varied Orc clans under one umbrella. You can be a pure High Elf if you want, but Half Elf options are there for a bit more variety.

I'd be fine with this if it was an option similar to the Mag'har, yeah.

[Zorish]

That made me chuckle... >.>

Look we get it you don't want the Alliance to have anything nice for personal reasons, it's getting boring now.

aliance can have "anything nice" till it's have logic behind getting it. "High elves" don't have this logic. I even started suspect that blizzard doing this on purpose (not releasing them), so after a little more time they will say "High elves" merged with humans so we releasing new half-elf race! because 30-40 years passed and they are adults now like Arathor. Problem of your aliance that it's stereotypical good faction by fantasy. Elves, gnomes, halflings, humans etc.
And when blizzard (even if they firstly tried to fix population) tried to step out of your comfort zone by making questionable elves... You started screaming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZmUUupSgQk look this. You like literaly trying to return to Tolkien style fantasy (and most of "high elf" fans will do this). Blizzard tried to create not stereotypical fantasy world - you don't want it.

[Zorish]

Kael'thas's teachings caused some moral contention between the two peoples. By embracing them, the blood elves prioritized their survival, health, and well-being; they believed this strength was needed to see Quel'Thalas restored, as the kingdom had remained a wasteland while the elves were weakened by their addiction.[47] By refusing, the high elves prioritized their pride and personal ethics, even to their own detriment; they believe this was the moral choice.

from wiki. So who will be more muscular and good looking? The one who after being healthy and being moraly right?

[Garfurion]

Well for Elisande it was enough to be the definitive trait about the Alliance High Elves. Or would you prefer to simply dwell on the fact that Elisande bothered to acknowledge them and forget the content of what she had to say?

And Ion did make the comment that the Alliance High Elves are 'assimilating'.

Even the supposed leader for a High Elf Alliance race has two Half Elf kids.

This seems to be where the Alliance High Elves are going.

And if you want to play a High Elf, again this can't be stated often enough, you have the option to do so right now as a Blood Elf. That they aren't on the faction you want them to be is immaterial to the reality that there is a High Elf option in game you have chosen to deny yourself.

Half-Elves and Half-Ogres are Half-breeds and according to word of god there are probably not enough of them to make them playable and they also lack lore.

Half-races are so rare in Warcraft that we don't really have any established lore. (That I'm aware of). -- Dave Kosak

“We don't have that many cross-breeds in the universe." -- Dave Kosak


in other words: There are so few half breeds of any kind on Azeroth today that they cannot be considered a race. Half breeds of any kind do not gather in any significant numbers, nor do they act as a coordinated whole. They are a very small group of individuals scattered all over the world. As such, they do not have common opinions or goals. Indeed, half breeds of any kind cannot even truly be said to have a culture.

[Zorish]

and in the end. TOTALY against allying themself with Quel'Thalas are only Veresa (and now Alleria) followers. Any other group won't have big problems with rerturning back based on LTT (and some of his advisors) politics. Like really - completly AGAINST by the lore are mostly veressa followers. Hell even Allerias own people from outland come to Silvermoon when it was already part of the Horde (orcs and trolls wich they fought during second war! boom - mindblow).

And hell - Void elves being exiled it's totaly practical decision. yeah rude, but dictated only by self-defence. Now i even don't know what they will do if somehow they will take QT from blood elves. Sunwell type of energy won't allow them be close so... Only ones who "maybe" will live in Silvermoon after that - united race of "High elves" and blood elves, while VE will stay exiled maybe to ghostlands.

[Lumineus]

from wiki. So who will be more muscular and good looking? The one who after being healthy and being moraly right?

Obviously the people who, ultimately, fought through withdrawal. Have you known crackheads to be "healthy?"

[Zorish]

Obviously the people who, ultimately, fought through withdrawal. Have you known crackheads to be "healthy?"

yeeeeah. go on. look on "crackhead" who in proccess of his "fight". You will see very ill person.

ANd for your note - only "crackheads" who became "ill (wretched)" either overdose or stopped getting "crack". Mana for elves are not simple drug, but nessesary part of their existance. Like you or me require vitamins or we will f**king die (or at least we will be very weak). Hell - even Night elves needed filtered by nature mana from second well created by illidan. And be happy that only result of third war for them immortality loss (wich can mean that mana is not drug eh? maybe it's like lifeforce wich can sustain till the end of days?).

[Combatbutler]

During the process yes any addict will be a mess but after the addiction pangs die down they can do something else to take their minds away from the addiction hence why a lot of people inrl choose to hit the gym and give themselves focus.

Except that it is established that forgoing arcane magic can actually be permanently physical and mentally damaging.

[Zorish]

During the process yes any addict will be a mess but after the addiction pangs die down they can do something else to take their minds away from the addiction hence why a lot of people inrl choose to hit the gym and give themselves focus.

yes and every of your "so high elves" still suffer from addiction. STILL! It's became EASIER only AFTER sunwell reignition. So my dear - your "so high elves" are still feed on Sunwell. Even Quel'Danil Lodge elves. If they not severed themself somehow from Sunwell - they now again feed on it's energies. because:

With the reigniting of the Sunwell, the pangs of their magic addiction are being eased and more high elves are no longer tempted to succumb to it.[45]

And as man above me said - magic "addiction" is not drug addiction. It can leave permanently damage on both mind and body. Be happy that we have 12+ mark on the game and you don't see it.

[Combatbutler]

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the temporary cure Blood Elves used was detrimental to their health aswell.

It isn't, that was the core issue they faced and what so many people love to ignore, the high elves chose to endanger themselves and others, because they did not agree from draining magic from anything that lived.

[Zorish]

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the temporary cure Blood Elves used was detrimental to their health aswell.

yes - when they overuse it - they become wretched. And in suramar we saw that lack of energy can lead to Nightfallen and withered state (note: CAN. we don't know the degree of addiction in Suramar and Silvermoon, QT elves probably were not so addicted as Suramar elves, but I think they still had chances to end same fate if not supported by something). So if Blood elf took only as much as he need for normal function for him nothing will change. n.o.t.h.i.n.g

[Zli]

It's still a different design from the ingame Blood elven and High elven buildings, so it could be portrayed as ancient High elf structures with the High elves going further back to their roots to distance them from the Blood and Void elves.



Because most of us want to play High elves, not the result of High elves and humans breeding. The whole High elves breeding with humans is actually one of the things about High elves I like the least. Since they're not High anymore, perhaps we can call them Exiled Elves or something?

You have high elves in the game atm.(void/blood elves).And you can play them eureka !

[Combatbutler]

Abstinence
One answer to magical addiction was to abstain from magic entirely. This was employed by some of the remaining high elves who did not become blood elves. Some dealt with their addiction in a similar manner to the blood elves, using stolen artifacts and mana-bearing crystals to sate their hunger. The high elves of Quel'Danil swore off magic completely,[12] while the high elves of Quel'Lithien opposed mana draining on moral grounds.[10]

Abstinence was not for everyone. While rangers could get by with minimal assistance, more magic-inclined elves who ceased their intake of magic became gravely ill.[2]

Source: https://wow.gamepedia.com/Magical_ad...Finding_a_cure

While it made the magic users very ill they would eventually overcome it as any addict would but abstinence was an option.

Such a low rate of attrition might be considered an argument in favor of simply forgoing magic and suffering through the consequences. Indeed, a few high elves are said to have succeeded in taking this route through sheer willpower: they survived the process, however unpleasant. Apparently certain magical artifacts also ameliorate the symptoms of withdrawal and might, if sufficiently powerful, be able to suppress them altogether.

This is not to say, however, that withdrawal from magic would leave the high elves unharmed. On the contrary, permanent mental or physical damage is possible.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/The_Warcra...dia/High_Elves

[Zorish]

To think of it even if Quel'Danil Lodge elves stopped practicing magic - this not mean that they not "feed" on it passively. This place were built before fall of the Sunwell. Maybe it's place closer to leylines? And this allowed them to survive on minimal supply wich their bodied took passively? And what after reignition of Sunwell? If some High elves said that pangs of their addiction are easier - then maybe Quel'Danil Lodge elves now live normaly, but just not practice any arcane magic by themself?
Why i say this - because Alleria elves allegiance is quite questionable - thanks to mr Sunchaser who were in Silvermoon during WotLK events. And since practice of "creature mana draining" stopped (yes they retained this skill, but not just as technique they can use in warfare/emergency) some "High elves" now have no real reasons to not back in QT (thanks to LTT and co.). And there is no fel around for them to get green eyes... Wich mean in the end population of "High elves" shrinked even more, and the ones who left are same as Veressa (who is same elf and endured her suffering because she lived in mage city dalaran).

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While I agree it made them ill some of the symptoms I believe were retconned and your source: This page was last edited on 13 April 2014, at 18:23.

So it may not have been as detrimental as it was once originally thought.

if this was rectoned not yesterday this wiki updated very quick. After release of every tome of chronicles it took them i think 1-2 weeks to update most of things. So sorry - no proof - no deal

[corebit]

But the ones I like are the ones who refused to compromise their morals and beliefs, and fought their addiction and won. The ones who stuck to the Alliance and their old allies and scorned the Horde. It's why I always loved the High elves, because I looked on them and I saw people willing to fight and not give in to their addiction, while the Blood elves gave in, became volatile, started meddling with Fel and so on.

You say morals a lot, but what is moral about their decision to stick with a faction whose leader wanted them to be slaves, and after they disobeyed wanted them rounded up and executed? Like I said, they have no self-dignity if they valued humans lives over their own.

And their decision to abstain from consuming alternate magic sources was not a moral decision, it was a stupid one. It is the equivalent of choosing and preaching veganism right after a natural disaster and while everyone is starving for food. Of course Lor'themar wasn't having anymore of that shenanigans when survival was of the utmost importance. The fate of Quel'lithien also serves as a reminder of the folly of that decision.