Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Yarathir]

Alleria looks completely different from either Void Elves and Blood Elves. It would be so hard to make them look different right? Just give them blue face tattoos.

This more than anything is what I want, and it is not possible for my character to be that neither with Void nor with Blood Elves, and it is distinct enough from both of them to warrant being its own race.

And if you don't like it, so what? Don't play one. Why does the idea of this being an option offend you so much?

You're implying that it offends me when I'm simply saying that these options for Blood Elves and Void Elves are literally the compromise.

There isn't going to be a third race for the same purpose. That's what these additions to Void Elves and Blood Elves mean.

There is a bigger likelihood for Blizzard to make a Highborne race.

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Alleria is a void elf

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Shadows_Rising

No. Alleria is a High Elf with void powers.

[Kyriani]

You can't be a High Elf with Void abilities.

Why not? Alleria had void abilities long before she absorbed any void critters and gained a void form. Are High Elves also not allowed to be shadow priests now too?

No. Alleria is a High Elf with void powers.

To be fair, the game and novels refer to her as a void elf now so I think its reasonable to refer to her as such. She just didn't get her powers in the same way Umbric and his followers did. And for all we know, new Void Elves are getting their powers in a manner more similar to Alleria than Umbric and company.

[Mungho]

What is your point? Why are you even here?

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I just created a fel orc priest.

He has brown skin, but in my head he's a fel orc.

Fel Orcs have red skin, not brown.

[Aldo Hawk]

It is. Void elves were given natural skin colors despite them originally being a race so tainted by the void that their entire body turned blue. Giving blood elves some undead type skin tones is the equivalent. Slap some red eyes on and there ya go. Alternatively, I'd be fine if they just allowed undead to have a forsaken elf option.

Because the very concept of them being able to cleanse in some way shape or form or that the new students have joined their ranks and have not been through the same is so outworldly nobody could every grasp at it, right? Come on.

I never denied high elves existed. I merely pointed out from the very start that blood elves are our high elves and were already playable. To me, faction distinction is important so I merely put my voice in to express that playable high elves would blur the lines... given that blood elves (who are high elves) were already available on the opposite faction.

Well, flash news, you were utterly wrong about that.

Dark rangers on the other hand do not detract from the uniqueness of any alliance race, they are exclusively Horde and share no thematic with any alliance race.

?????? Who said it does? Not me that just to start.

Apples to oranges.

Exactly, apples to oranges, Blood elves aren't undead and Void elves don't stop being Void elves because they don't look purple.

It sounds an awful lot like you're against undead elves being playable.

Yeah well I already said how many times I wonder how much you purposefully misunderstand others.

You also love to express that "you're a blood elf player", yet you spend more time and energy talking about high elves on the alliance than you do blood elves.

Hello? You have been in this thread for literal years.

Me thinks there is an illusion you're hiding, alliance spy.

This is not a contest about saying the most ridiculous thing, and you have been playing it alone.

You seem to have no issue with void elves being diluted by "high elf" aesthetics, but have issue with blood elves being diluted by "dark ranger" aesthetics. Double standards.

Check again, a bit up the post, copying it just in case: Blood elves aren't undead and Void elves don't stop being Void elves because they don't look purple.

Void elves are receiving ALL of the blood elf skin options, while having their own VOID skin options. Skin options wise, they now have more options than their parent race. IF they were to receive the blood elf hair options too, on top of their void hair options (hair styles and color), then there would be a further unbalance and an unfair one. Thus, one option to counter balance this would be to offer blood elves some dark ranger customizations. In saying this, I hope they keep void elves with darker hair tones to allow some level of distinction between them and blood elves (albeit minor). Why? Because racial distinction is important whether you believe so or not. It makes your race choices matter, it makes faction choices matter.

Do you realize Blood elves have lots of similarities with humans on customizations right? And that these skin tones are shared between 8 playable options? And, as I said (there's not enough repeating with you) a Void elf doesn't have to look purple to being a Void elf, the new recruits at Telogrus can also be Void elves without having to look purple.

I mean, want to talk about skin tones? Why? You are talking as if the skin tones of Blood elves are special, hello? Get back down to earth. Void elves are still Void elves even if they don't look purple, reasons? Have you not seen the students at Telogrus? Yes you did, you obviously did, you are an old dog of this thread, you totally did. Stop ignoring what doesn't go your way, or even try to acknowledge things.

Dark ranger is exclusively a Horde theme.

Who said otherwise? Ask for an Allied race. There's people asking for San'layn. You literally don't understand what customization options are or mean, these are not for changing your character to another thing that it isn't, undead elves are undead, not living beings, Blood elves are living beings. Void elves don't stop being Void elves because their skin isn't purple, that's your shell to avoid responses.

The high elven race and theme on the other hand was predominantly a Horde feature, with the alliance having a minor inclusion of the race and theme within them. Blood elves are and were the main high elven group in WoW, with alliance aligned high elves being a minor group and feature in comparison. On the other hand, dark rangers are Horde exclusive. Apples to oranges.

Everyone cares even less about how 'minor' you see the High elves in the Alliance being now.

[Kyriani]

Yay! My Holy Priest can finally look like a High Elf now


I think my mage will try this look out as well!


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Hell yeah.

You're going to look amazing!

[Ardenaso]

High elf.

I really love it when I see Umbrithas Voidreaver

[Goldielocks]

Well, flash news, you were utterly wrong about that.

Don't see that to be the case. The devs abandoned lore restrictions on player customization. That's as far as it goes.

[DeicideUH]

Here's my compilation of allied race enhancements implemented, under work (datamined), unconfirmed (based on evidence on alpha), as well as my hopes for them. Obviously, I'm all for more hair styles, jewelry and stuff for everyone, but I think at this stage it's unlikely for Blizzard to add more geosets, so I focused on splitting customization categories to allow more combos, new textures and some swapping between races.

Lightforged Draenei:
- Implemented: Facial hair split into Facial Hair and Tendrils.
- Datamined: Eye color selection
- Unconfirmed: Tattoo colors (Opaque or Reflexive, maybe glowing)
- Hoping for: Skin colors (bronze, golden, copper), hair colors (dark gold, light red, dark copper, black)

Void Elf:
- Implemented: Eye colors, Belf skin colors (unfinished, still need to change underwear and maybe female nail polish)
- Unconfirmed: Skin and Hair color selection for Entropic Embrace.
- Hoping for: Hair colors (black, silver-blue, beige blonde, dark red), Alleria-like tattoos (void, blue, violet, magenta), Hair Tendrils (on/off)

Dark Iron Dwarf:
- Unconfirmed: Piercings split into more categories (ear, nose and so on)

Kul Tirans:
- Implemented: Eye colors, Facial Hair split into beard and mustache
- Hoping for: A few hair styles, beards and mustaches exchanged between KT and humans

Mechagnomes:
- Implemented: Eye colors, Inherited new gnome Skin Colors, Skin Color split into Skin and Paint Job
- Hoping for: Facial hair split into Mustache and Beard, Modification split into Ear Enhancement, Jaw Plating and Ocular Implant, new Paint Jobs

Nightborne:
- Datamined: Eye colors, 1 new female Jewelry
- Unconfirmed: Tattoo colors (Opaque and reflexive, maybe glowing)
- Hoping for: Chin plate (on/off), Jewelry Color (gold, silver, copper), faces with slanted eyes, new skin colors (dark grey, light grey), new hair colors (purple, blue, gold), Arcane Flow on hair (on/off)

Highmountain Tauren:
- Implemented: Eye colors, Markings split into Body Painting and Paint Color, female option for earrings (on/off).
- Hoping for: New Paint Patterns and Colors (Yellow, Orange, Purple, White), new skins (white, mixed black and brown, mixed white and brown)

Mag'har Orc:
- Datamined: Eye colors
- Hoping for: Accessories split into more categories (Earrings, nose and so on), Skin Color split into Skin Color and Tattoos, Inherited Scars from orcs, New Skin Colors (Shattered Hand White) and Eye Color (Shattered Hand red), Some Hair Styles and Facial hair shared with orcs.

Zandalari:
- Implemented: Eye colors, Jewelry split into Earrings and Ear Gauge (Male) plus Piercings and Necklace (Female).
- Hoping For: Earrings and Piercings further split into more categories (Lip, Nose, Eyebrow), new Skin Colors (more vivid colors: Ice Troll-like, Forest Troll-like, Desert Troll-like)

Vulpera:
- Implemented: Eye colors, Ears split into Ears and Earrings (on/off)

[FlubberPuddy]

Alleria is a void elf

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Shadows_Rising

To be fair, if blood elves can still be called high elves by developers and players parrot it everywhere, then so can void elves be called high elves as well when developers have done these additions strictly because of the high elf request and when afrasiabi even said it's possible for void elves to get high elf skin tones for that high elf fantasy.

Otherwise, if you want to be pedantic and go by authored books then the blood elves are referred to as blood elves ever since they took that name on and never as a high elf since then.

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Yay! My Holy Priest can finally look like a High Elf now


I think my mage will try this look out as well!

I really really love the darker skin elves, makes them look Wrathion-esque as in a middle-eastern type feel!

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Void Elf:
- Implemented: Eye colors, Belf skin colors (unfinished, still need to change underwear and maybe female nail polish)
- Hoping for: Hair colors (black, silver-blue, beige blonde, dark red), Alleria-like tattoos (void, blue, violet, magenta)

Crazy how close they are to essentially covering "High Elf" portion for Void Elves, then they can go as crazy as they want on Void Elves starry/void/occultist themes.

And all it would take would be a few hair colors (I don't even mind if no new non-void hairstyles, this would be icing on the cake).

Hair colors which can come from humans btw so that a certain sect of Blood Elf players don't continue feeling like options are being 'stolen'

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Hell yeah.

These look insanely good.

It's making me hard to decide on one character class for my Alliance High Elf.

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To me, faction distinction is important so I merely put my voice in to express that playable high elves would blur the lines... given that blood elves (who are high elves) were already available on the opposite faction.

And I am so very glad Blizzard did not share your viewpoint of what is important faction distinction and blurring the lines by allowing playable High Elves to both sides.

Super super glad about it!

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Let's be super honest.

Void Elves when introduced severely hindered the possibility of playable High Elves.

Adding normal skin tones and blue eyes on Void Elves might as well be the final nail on the coffin of HE's as their own playable race.

Anyone is free to keep asking for AR High Elves, but for a lot of us that feels nigh-impossible at this point. It's not about "giving up", but it's kinda clear what route Blizzard is going for, and that is just not AR High Elves. Natural hairs colors for VE feel more likely than that.

So, unless how race customization works is completely revamped (Removing faction restrictions, allowing races to have distinct origins, etc) I simply do not believe AR High Elves are even plausible at this point. Cause ultimately, what I want is just not the same than what I think will happen.

[Andromedes]

Those skin colors are nice and all, but what bothers me is that there is no male long hair option without those tentacles, well except that skrillex haircut. I wish there was option to choose between tentacles and braids.

[Kyriani]

Let's be super honest.

Void Elves when introduced severely hindered the possibility of playable High Elves.

Adding normal skin tones and blue eyes on Void Elves might as well be the final nail on the coffin of HE's as their own playable race.

Anyone is free to keep asking for AR High Elves, but for a lot of us that feels nigh-impossible at this point. It's not about "giving up", but it's kinda clear what route Blizzard is going for, and that is just not AR High Elves. Natural hairs colors for VE feel more likely than that.

So, unless how race customization works is completely revamped (Removing faction restrictions, allowing races to have distinct origins, etc) I simply do not believe AR High Elves are even plausible at this point. Cause ultimately, what I want is just not the same than what I think will happen.

I have to agree. As much as it would have been better to have High Elves as their own race, having them via Void Elves isn't the worst outcome for those seeking High Elves, and it also makes the likelihood of a High Elf allied race incredibly remote. I just hope that some lore additions are added to the game that highlights more about the High Elf Wayfarers and Silvermoon Scholars coming to Telogrus. I'd also really like to know even just a few details as to how these new recruits are gaining their powers.

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Those skin colors are nice and all, but what bothers me is that there is no male long hair option without those tentacles, well except that skrillex haircut. I wish there was option to choose between tentacles and braids.

I would like more hair options for sure. We can only hope that when allied races get a more comprehensive pass, that more will be added. It would be awesome if they added a toggle for the tentacles though!

Void Elf Hairstyles without the tentacles:


CLICK TO ENBIGGEN!

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Those skin colors are nice and all, but what bothers me is that there is no male long hair option without those tentacles, well except that skrillex haircut. I wish there was option to choose between tentacles and braids.

Indeed, VE hairstyles are veeeery limited. No Long hair options for males, nor ponytails.

TBH all AR need more hairstyles; The easies way woudl be to import their Core Race options (Or at least a selection of them)

Question is, should VE and NB get BE and NE options respectively? Or could they get options for a race on their faction -showing that aesthetics such as hairstyle are more of a cultural thing-?

Could be an interesting way of differentiation between being alliance or horde, and how that affects cultural context.

For Nightborne the fit seems easy, Blood Elves.

For Void Elves, not quite sure; should they get human hairstyles since they are mostly seen in Stormwind outside Telogrus? or should they have NE hairstyle to further contrast between VE and NB "switching" factions?

[Kyriani]

For Void Elves, not quite sure; should they get human hairstyles since they are mostly seen in Stormwind outside Telogrus? or should they have NE hairstyle to further contrast between VE and NB "switching" factions?

I'd like Human hairstyles more. They can work well for a High Elf theme or a Void Elf theme imo and they make more sense to me since the High Elves and Void Elves are mostly found in Stormwind.

Here's the styles and colors I'd like to see eventually shared with Void Elves:

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

I have to agree. As much as it would have been better to have High Elves as their own race, having them via Void Elves isn't the worst outcome for those seeking High Elves, and it also makes the likelihood of a High Elf allied race incredibly remote. I just hope that some lore additions are added to the game that highlights more about the High Elf Wayfarers and Silvermoon Scholars coming to Telogrus. I'd also really like to know even just a few details as to how these new recruits are gaining their powers.

Indeed. But yeah, whatever path they go forward lorewise, all we have seem implementation wise really just makes seem High Elves as their own AR very, very unlikely.

I would like more hair options for sure. We can only hope that when allied races get a more comprehensive pass, that more will be added. It would be awesome though if they added a toggle for the tentacles though!

Void Elf Hairstyles without the tentacles:


CLICK TO ENBIGGEN!

*squint* Did I made these? Lol I legit can't remember bhahahaha

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I'd like Human hairstyles more. They can work well for a High Elf theme or a Void Elf theme imo and they make more sense to me since the High Elves and Void Elves are mostly found in Stormwind.

Here's the styles and colors I'd like to see eventually shared with Void Elves:

Indeed. Actually I was going to attempt porting some hairstyles now-ish. Let's see if I remember how bones work ay

[Kyriani]

*squint* Did I made these? Lol I legit can't remember bhahahaha

If you're Talendrion then I believe you did! I saw them on the wow forums and made sure to save them!

Indeed. Actually I was going to attempt porting some hairstyles now-ish. Let's see if I remember how bones work ay

Please show us your ports for male and female if you make them!

[Ardenaso]

Hell yeah.

almost



man, Jennalla is such a cute ginger; she got a unique model for someone without even any role and just appeared in literally just one chapter, meanwhile the other Fel Orc Chieftains are still Grom

[Strippling]

And I am so very glad Blizzard did not share your viewpoint of what is important faction distinction and blurring the lines by allowing playable High Elves to both sides.

Super super glad about it!

Blizzard do share my viewpoint to some degree, else void elves would have never been a thing and high elves would have been the playable AR. Alas, high elves are not a separate playable race so clearly blizzard still place some importance to faction distinction.. they've obviously relaxed their rules a bit but are still standing by them to some degree.

I'm super glad that blood elves continue to remain the main high elven group in WoW, and that I can play a high elven paladin. Super super glad about it! (ps. I'm only reciprocating your smart ass tone)

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I'd much rather dark ranger / san'layn be available as customization options, rather than waste another AR slot with an elf race. These options would fit with either blood elves or undead (I would be perfectly okay with either).

The rest of what you wrote is not worth my time replying, as you're an angry person and tend to resort to inflammatory remarks when someone does not agree with you.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

If you're Talendrion then I believe you did! I saw them on the wow forums and made sure to save them!


Please show us your ports for male and female if you make them!

Hahha indeed it's me XD!

Having some fun with males first; one issue tho, human hairstyles use that "scalp" texture a lot, so gotta try fix that somehow.



Blond hair for VE's, but only on this hairstyle.

[Vaedan]

It is. Void elves were given natural skin colors despite them originally being a race so tainted by the void that their entire body turned blue. Giving blood elves some undead type skin tones is the equivalent. Slap some red eyes on and there ya go. Alternatively, I'd be fine if they just allowed undead to have a forsaken elf option.




I never denied high elves existed. I merely pointed out from the very start that blood elves are our high elves and were already playable. To me, faction distinction is important so I merely put my voice in to express that playable high elves would blur the lines... given that blood elves (who are high elves) were already available on the opposite faction. Dark rangers on the other hand do not detract from the uniqueness of any alliance race, they are exclusively Horde and share no thematic with any alliance race. Apples to oranges.




It sounds an awful lot like you're against undead elves being playable. You also love to express that "you're a blood elf player", yet you spend more time and energy talking about high elves on the alliance than you do blood elves. Me thinks there is an illusion you're hiding, alliance spy. You seem to have no issue with void elves being diluted by "high elf" aesthetics, but have issue with blood elves being diluted by "dark ranger" aesthetics. Double standards.



Void elves are receiving ALL of the blood elf skin options, while having their own VOID skin options. Skin options wise, they now have more options than their parent race. IF they were to receive the blood elf hair options too, on top of their void hair options (hair styles and color), then there would be a further unbalance and an unfair one. Thus, one option to counter balance this would be to offer blood elves some dark ranger customizations. In saying this, I hope they keep void elves with darker hair tones to allow some level of distinction between them and blood elves (albeit minor). Why? Because racial distinction is important whether you believe so or not. It makes your race choices matter, it makes faction choices matter.



Dark ranger is exclusively a Horde theme. The high elven race and theme on the other hand was predominantly a Horde feature, with the alliance having a minor inclusion of the race and theme within them. Blood elves are and were the main high elven group in WoW, with alliance aligned high elves being a minor group and feature in comparison. On the other hand, dark rangers are Horde exclusive. Apples to oranges.

I agree that dark rangers are indeed Horde thing, at least for now. Don't forget there are night elf dark rangers too. So far, it seems they'll stick with the Horde, but they may end up rejoining their people in the future... But at least they are not thalassians.

I wouldn't mind sharing some VE hairstyles (without tentacles) with BE to complement that San'layn/Dark Ranger fantasy. As you said, it's fair for blood elves to get something in return too. Right now, they got more facial hair options, but that's it.