Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Doffen]

I mean, just a few months ago you and others were arguing that blue eyes does not equal high elves, and that high elves are defined by their allegiance and that high elves are Alliance only. Now you and most other high elfers are accepting the fact that high elves are now options to both factions, why, because blizzard has said that blue eyes and light skin = void elf. Just a few months ago, many of you claimed Ion and the devs were "delusional", but now their words are held as doctrine.

Your "arguments" would hold weight if they were actually consistent.

Hey, I'm not denying the fact that blizzard have made "high elf" options available to both factions. I'm merely pointing out that the statement "we're providing the option to have a few High Elf customizations available" suggests that Blizzard may still want to keep some level of distinction between blood elves and void elves. I certainly hope this is the case, as faction and racial distinction is important to me.. but ultimately it'll be up to Blizzard. They may just decide to give void elves the blood elf hair styles and colors, but I certainly hope they don't, as I appreciate the uniqueness it provides to blood elves.

You can keep resorting to spiteful responses toward me, or you can accept that I just simply have a differing opinion on the matter to you. I've never made my own"anti-HE" threads for some anti crusade, I've only ever voiced my opinion in this megathread. I haven't even commented ONCE on the official forums in any anti or pro high elf thread. I'm living in acceptance of what Blizzard have done for void elves, it is what it is, but while the possibility to preserve blood elf identity still exists (by voicing my opinion on void elves getting their hair options) I'll continue to voice my opinion. If blizzard choose to give void elves the blood elf hair options then so be it, but like I said, to me racial uniqueness is important and I'd rather not void elves become blood elves 2.0... I'd rather them be, well, void elves. So, until the decide one way or the other, I'll voice my opinion in here despite whether you or others agree or not.

It ain't trolling.

You really should stop saying that he is being a smartass and being spiteful when thats what you have done for a couple of years now. Its so silly to read you being so defensive now after having your arguments fail time and time again.

You have been riding on this self confidence of blizzard "agreeing" with you for so long, even though your arguments has always been weak.

You still use that quote from metzen who himself meant that High Elves on the Horde made little sense. And a quote thats not even used in a context you want it to be. And you have it there solely to try to trigger people who have a different opinion than you. If thats not being spiteful, Geisl is a real life Angel. You now start to attack people and berates them for being spiteful when thats all what you have ever done in this thread.


You reap what you sow.

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Apologies if this was already posted - this thread unfolds so quickly I just can’t keep up reading it.

But... did you guys actually catch what was told on the subject of High Elves during the interview with Art Director Ely Canon on Wowhead?

I won’t deny the underlined part made me raise an eyebrow.

Its nice to see blizzard finally did something the community have said for years now, as a High Elf you should have the possibility to choose an alignement. I get thats have been an issue to get into the game seeing we have faction barriers, but they now found a solution that works for all. The Void Elf does not even need to be a Void Elf if you choose to RP as a High that has been living in Stormwind the last 15 years or so.

Of course its a different thing when in combat, but iirc there has been some changes to the racial of which colors you want it to be when it procs. How about a neutral non showing proc animation? Anyway, the notion that Blizzard finally got around to do this shows that for everyone who wants more customizations the time ahead will indeed be good times.

[Andromedes]

no... people want the hairstyles and hair color of the blood elves, also their fantasy, i mean, you can even find the "totally makes sense void elf to be paladin too" topics floating around, despite paladin never being a thing for high elves ever before(so kinda the thing of blood knights you said).

Strange, i see people wanting customization to resemble Alleria. This whole thread is based on wanting high elves with facial markings, braids, feathers, natural hair and skin colors.. Almost nobody here wants blood elven jewelry, underwear, golden eyes, fel green eyes, red nails, their voice acting, their heritage armor, their culture as a whole.

The thing with high elf paladin is, that there are ingame proofs, that they exist. Just like people were desperate for Zandalari paladins and were linking some paladin spells that some trolls used.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Champion_Isimode
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Rulen_Lightsreap
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Mehlar_Dawnblade And this Blood elf was taught by Uther, which means he was taught when he was high elf

[Syegfryed]

Strange, i see people wanting customization to resemble Alleria.

people want to see what they want i guess, like i said, i don't mind as long they are different, and void eles don't get eveything, fairness i think should come into play, even more when void elves already have their own unique customizations, like i said, 2 races in one is a bit too much

The thing with high elf paladin is, that there are ingame proofs, that they exist. Just like people were desperate for Zandalari paladins and were linking some paladin spells that some trolls used.

Zandalari paladins are a thing because there is literally an order of then, active, that we see and interact in the game

There is no "high elf paladin lore" for then to be "high elf iconic", like people claim then to be, no order or group of high elves paladins, there is literally 2 individuals apparently,and thats it, elf paladin is already an fantasy fulfilled by the horde elves, its iconic to then, is like putting nightborne druids, because night elves are druids, and have a big tree, they would be robbing night elf fantasy

and it make even less sense when void elves are literally the opposite paladins, a "reskin" will not make it good, like an "arcane druid" will not work for nightborne either

[Vaedan]

... it doesn't matter if they existed before the high elves rename themselves, they are still within the fantasy of this group, they have no relation whatsoever with the elves today in the alliance

Farstrider IS, an organization that exist to this very day, within the horde, they are not alliance related anymore since the end of the second war/wc2

Farstriders are obviously Horde organisation now, since once high elves were exiled from Quel'thalas, there were no quel'dorei to remain in the institution. That is also the reason that wowpedia page of this current organisation is made up by blood elven figures.

However, it doesn't change a fact that the organisation is of high elven origin and many of high elves nowadays were trained as Farstriders originaly. That makes it a high elf feature, not blood elven. As I said, blood knights are sin'dorei thing. Farstriders are not.

and the key point here is how they were former farstrider, they are not farstrider anymore, therefore, it make no sense for then to keep their features of the farstriders

Yes, they are former members because they were exiled. Being exiled does not mean you abandon traditions of your nation and your beliefs. Exiled means you are not allowed by the authority of the state to remain in your country - thus it's mostly political thing.

Do you know why high elves were exiled? It was because they opposed new path blood elves were taking. It is also shown that high elves in their exile took pride in not giving up principles of their race and stayed true to what they believed was their traditions and even today, they consider Quel'thalas their home. In fact, it emphasizes how exiles feel even in real world.

Also, tattoos are pernament thing. Your tattoo will not disappear only because you get exiled from your country.

It is, exclusively, tied to blood elves right now, it is not a neutral group that exist in both factions

Yes, it is now blood elven because the reasons I wrote above. Blood elves kicked high elves out of the organisation. That doesn't make that high elves were not part of it before - and in the page you can see that former race of the organisation are high elves. Those kicked out high elves are now on the Alliance.

It is also confirmed by Halduron Brightwing himself, who invited Vereesa and her rangers to aid him during Amani crisis during cataclysm, aknowledging that these rangers are as good as his Farstriders. Vereesa also says that she still considers Quel'thalas her home.

It is also worth noting that Vereesa herself bears the title "Ranger General of Silver Covenant". Ranger General was always leader of Farstriders, so we can see that Silver Covenant adopted structure of Farstrider organisation to some extent. The main difference is that Silver Covenant is not made by rangers exclusively, but also houses high elves of all sorts, which is logical, given the numbers of high elves are not particularly high. So yea... high elves continued the tradition and made up their own Farstriders, with different name.

you said that, but we all know how deep is this rabbit hole, and you are being way too "drastic" calling such minor thing as "hysteric"

Well, it is kind of hysteric and it makes no sense. Helfer community does not want void elves to inherit all of blood elf customization and they always wanted high elves to be distinctive to blood elves from the very beginning, it was only anti-helfer group which constantly denied that possibility. Devs also expressed there will be only few high elf customization, so to sum up, there is no demand, so there is no offer. Why should it become reality then? There is no reason to be concerned about blood elf uniqueness.

no... people want the hairstyles and hair color of the blood elves, also their fantasy, i mean, you can even find the "totally makes sense void elf to be paladin too" topics floating around, despite paladin never being a thing for high elves ever before(so kinda the thing of blood knights you said).

and for the record, i have no problem with haircolors, but the haisrtyles and other options to me is nonsense.

Well, there will always be individuals who will request something, but that does not mean that majority of people share the same opinion. Most of the posters here clearly expressed that they does not wish that kind of development.

It is funny you don't mind haircolors, but that you find hairstyles to does not make sense... so if I understand correctly, if you want to have a ponytail, you have to be blood elf, but once you get exiled, your hair are unable to form such hairstyle and your tattoos suddenly disappears...

To be honest, you can also have any hairstyle in your real life, it just depends on your choice what you have on your head. I agree that hairstyles in wow serves as one of means to differentiate races from others, so for that reason alone, we will not see all hairstyles being shared amongs all races. On the other hand, blood elves already have few hairstyles shared with humans and night elves... and actually that is the exact FEW I would expect to potentialy share with void elves, since you know, because it's already shared with other races, it's not unique to blood elves, so there is no potential damage to blood elven uniqueness, right?

Devs clearly said they Might do, not that they will do for certain, a few more, and nowhere is said they will do all blood elf options, including options of their organization, so, nothing irrational here

might do a few, and they will certainly do all, are different things

"im bringing this up" because you also brought up, my point is it make no sense for void elf get options of a blood elf organization.

Pardon me, but when did I said that they will certainly do all? If you don't have any solid argument, be at least decent enough to not twist my own statements. This is what I said:

I think it is very likely void elves will get natural hair colors and some hairstyles too, perhaps even those farstrider tattoos which are now one of the most requested feature for thalassian group. Since blood elves got eyes, I'm not sure what else they should get to highlight high elf fantasy more, besides those tattoos.

They also said "few customization", so I don't think they will just copy all blood elf customization to void elves, as is implied by some people here.

I clearly said "I think" which means that following statement is my own personal opinion. It does not mean that I find it as absolute truth that will inevitably come true. I also mentioned "some" hairstyles, which definitely means "not all".

As I told you, Farstriders are related to both high elves and blood elves, regardless of its current occupation. We can also say that void elves were definitely blood elves (which is canon) not that long time ago and once again, I really doubt that void infusion clears your tattoos... so I'm sorry, but I don't see reason why they should not get it. Both blood and void elves are logical to have them, probably in different color variants.

Zandalari paladins are a thing because there is literally an order of then, active, that we see and interact in the game

There is no "high elf paladin lore" for then to be "high elf iconic", like people claim then to be, no order or group of high elves paladins, there is literally 2 individuals apparently,and thats it, elf paladin is already an fantasy fulfilled by the horde elves, its iconic to then, is like putting nightborne druids, because night elves are druids, and have a big tree, they would be robbing night elf fantasy

and it make even less sense when void elves are literally the opposite paladins, a "reskin" will not make it good, like an "arcane druid" will not work for nightborne either

That's what we agree on. There may be few high elven paladins, but it was not a norm among high elves to be paladins. They were priests, and their paladins are result of Blood Knight order, which is exclusively sin'dorei feature. If void elves ever get to be paladins, it would need pretty good explanation how they are able to wield the light.

[Syegfryed]

However, it doesn't change a fact that the organisation is of high elven origin and many of high elves nowadays were trained as Farstriders originaly. That makes it a high elf feature, not blood elven. As I said, blood knights are sin'dorei thing. Farstriders are not.

it doesn't make a high elf feature just because it was once originally, farstrider right now is exclusively a blood elf thing, because it changed with their names

the fantasy of farstriders is on the blood elves, once you get out/expelled, your are no longer one and it make no sense for you to have the fantasy of one

Yes, they are former members because they were exiled. Being exiled does not mean you abandon traditions of your nation and your beliefs. Exiled means you are not allowed by the authority of the state to remain in your country - thus it's mostly political thing.

Veressa is not a farstrider anymore, and she do not hold anymore that aesthetic, despite her being a Ranger still, she is silver covenant now, same as the others

Do you know why high elves were exiled?

not relevant to this point

It is also shown that high elves in their exile took pride in not giving up principles of their race and stayed true to what they believed was their traditions and even today,

it is not, but lets not deviate from the main point here

Also, tattoos are pernament thing. Your tattoo will not disappear only because you get exiled from your country.

we can't measure how many of the farstrider were exiled/abadon their people that hold tattoos and other farstrider options , and since not even Veressa and auric have, is indeed no longer part of their fantasy, and is a blood elf thing. Pretty sure magic would get rid of it

mind you, im not saying void elves should not get tattoos, they should too, but ones that reflect their race(void tattoos) or at least other organization that isn't horde(like tattoos based on the silver covenant)

It is also confirmed by Halduron Brightwing himself, who invited Vereesa and her rangers to aid him during Amani crisis during cataclysm, aknowledging that these rangers are as good as his Farstriders. Vereesa also says that she still considers Quel'thalas her home.

they being "as good" don't mean they are farstrider, they are silver covenant, and should have if not void elf custom, silver covenant customization, different from farstrider

It is also worth noting that Vereesa herself bears the title "Ranger General of Silver Covenant". Ranger General was always leader of Farstriders, so we can see that Silver Covenant adopted structure of Farstrider organisation to some extent. The main difference is that Silver Covenant is not made by rangers exclusively, but also houses high elves of all sorts, which is logical, given the numbers of high elves are not particularly high. So yea... high elves continued the tradition and made up their own Farstriders, with different name.

then they should get silver covenant customization, not farstrider, simple as that, like i said, they could be thematically similar(with farstrider being the old school and silver covenant more close to dalaran stuff)

Well, it is kind of hysteric and it makes no sense. Helfer community does not want void elves to inherit all of blood elf customization and they always wanted high elves to be distinctive to blood elves from the very beginning,

i mean, how long do you frequent this topic? its very clear that some of then want exactly that, others, majorly, want better and improved versions of their customizations, taking away from the blood elves, who are the de facto high elves.

im just saying they should have at least major differences outside the skin color since this is already lifted. Like its ok to share blue and purple, but green and gold eyes be exclusive to blood elves and void elves getting exclusive purple voidy and black eyes.

It is funny you don't mind haircolors, but that you find hairstyles to does not make sense... so if I understand correctly, if you want to have a ponytail, you have to be blood elf, but once you get exiled, your hair are unable to form such hairstyle and your tattoos suddenly disappears...

as long you agree that void elf hairstyles also goes to blood elves? cause only one way in here(just blood elves options going to void elves) seems a lot unfair, seeing how void elves already got blood elf skin colors and belves obviously didn't get void elf skin colors

Pardon me, but when did I said that they will certainly do all?

like i said, you brought that "they will add high elf customization" when we are talking about the farstrider thing, and i said, sure they will do a few not all, so farstrider options are not likely.

As I told you, Farstriders are related to both high elves and blood elves, regardless of its current occupation. We can also say that void elves were definitely blood elves (which is canon) not that long time ago and once again, I really doubt that void infusion clears your tattoos... so I'm sorry, but I don't see reason why they should not get it. Both blood and void elves are logical to have them, probably in different color variants.

even if by order of fates there are farstriders who abandon their people and became void elves exist, it doesn't mean they should have the options, cause they should still put thematic difference between the races, regardless of some customizations void elves are still void elves, and not farstriders, therefore, they should not get farstriders options, regardless if it was once a high elf thing, it is blood elf only now

Farstrider isn't a neutral group, even if it was "originarly high elf" this pointless because blood elves were originally high elves" anyway

[Vaedan]

it doesn't make a high elf feature just because it was once originally, farstrider right now is exclusively a blood elf thing, because it changed with their names

the fantasy of farstriders is on the blood elves, once you get out/expelled, your are no longer one and it make no sense for you to have the fantasy of one

That's where we disagree. High elves are not entitled for blood elven features, such as being affected by demonic energies, being paladins, tapping mana from living creatures for their survival. They are entitled for features that were part of their culture before their exile, since you know, exiles very often carry on the traditions even if they disagree with ruling authority.

Veressa is not a farstrider anymore, and she do not hold anymore that aesthetic, despite her being a Ranger still, she is silver covenant now, same as the others

Well, she maintained her ranger aesthetics and made it distinct from those blood elves adopted. To be honest, she is only wearing blue and silver colors, while blood elves tend to dress in red and gold... what's the deal?

not relevant to this point



it is not, but lets not deviate from the main point here

No, it was relevant to your claim that they have no reason to hold their old traditions. They have and you didn't provide me with any reasonable argument to continue this discussion, so yea, we can possibly end this one.

we can't measure how many of the farstrider were exiled/abadon their people that hold tattoos and other farstrider options , and since not even Veressa and auric have, is indeed no longer part of their fantasy, and is a blood elf thing. Pretty sure magic would get rid of it

Yes, we can't measure how many Farstriders were exiled, but following your logic, not even single blood elf farstrider have such tattoos, so they also willingly gave up on this fantasy? The only elf who have these tattoos now is Alleria, an Alliance void elf, so if we are going to stick to ingame appearances, blood elves should not get it either and these tattoos are void elf fantasy, and let's call them allerian tattoos? Is it good enough for you?

mind you, im not saying void elves should not get tattoos, they should too, but ones that reflect their race(void tattoos) or at least other organization that isn't horde(like tattoos based on the silver covenant)

Sure, but don't ignore the fact that Blizzard made it clear that void elves are also representing high elves now, so it's natural for them to have customization for this fantasy as well, not only the void one.

they being "as good" don't mean they are farstrider, they are silver covenant, and should have if not void elf custom, silver covenant customization, different from farstrider


then they should get silver covenant customization, not farstrider, simple as that, like i said, they could be thematically similar(with farstrider being the old school and silver covenant more close to dalaran stuff)

How you define Silver Covenant customization? Since this thread has many fan arts on this topic and antihelfers claimed most of them are blood elven.

i mean, how long do you frequent this topic? its very clear that some of then want exactly that, others, majorly, want better and improved versions of their customizations, taking away from the blood elves, who are the de facto high elves.

im just saying they should have at least major differences outside the skin color since this is already lifted. Like its ok to share blue and purple, but green and gold eyes be exclusive to blood elves and void elves getting exclusive purple voidy and black eyes.

I watch this topic like from page 20 I believe... so for pretty long time now already, I'm pretty aware of many opinions on the topic. What I agree with you is that some people have unrealistic expectations of what will happen in the game and some people will never be satisfied with what we are getting now, but it is not what most of posters are now displaying now. People are actually happy we get fair skins for void elves and yea, to have high elf fantasy complete, we need more natural hair colors and some new hairstyles... but those does not have to be blood elven. Like I said before, human and kul tiran hair styles make pretty good service to that fantasy as well, and it could be also an evidence of how elves are affected by human culture. Does it hurt blood elves? I don't think so.

as long you agree that void elf hairstyles also goes to blood elves? cause only one way in here(just blood elves options going to void elves) seems a lot unfair, seeing how void elves already got blood elf skin colors and belves obviously didn't get void elf skin colors

Well, why not? I would not mind blood elves having void elven hair styles at all. It does not hurt my void elves in the slightest. I'd be interested to see how blood elves grew tentacles in their hair though, since most of void elf hairstyles have them, and that is the core problem. As long as void elves have reasonable number of hairstyles without tentacles, most of fans would be happy. There are also suggestions to make tentacles separate customization for void elves, which is indeed a way how to handle this problem as well - void elves could chose if they want tentacles in their hair or not.

like i said, you brought that "they will add high elf customization" when we are talking about the farstrider thing, and i said, sure they will do a few not all, so farstrider options are not likely.

I said what is possible to expect. Blizzard showed us that they are now actually listening to player's feedback this time, and these ranger tattoos are pretty favorite request, which started with high elf community. There are people who thinks these tattoos should be high elven only, to differentiate them further from blood elves, which shows no such thing in their ranks at all, but I don't believe blood elves should be deprived of that. It is fantasy which belongs to both groups.

[Kyriani]

Well, why not? I would not mind blood elves having void elven hair styles at all. It does not hurt my void elves in the slightest. I'd be interested to see how blood elves grew tentacles in their hair though, since most of void elf hairstyles have them, and that is the core problem. As long as void elves have reasonable number of hairstyles without tentacles, most of fans would be happy. There are also suggestions to make tentacles separate customization for void elves, which is indeed a way how to handle this problem as well - void elves could chose if they want tentacles in their hair or not.

I'm hoping that somewhere down the road Blizzard makes the Void Elf hair tentacles work the way the new Night Elf hair leaves work so every Void Elf hairstyle can have tentacles or not as taste warrants. This would also make it very easy to share Void Elf hairstyles with Blood Elves which is something I'd very much appreciate for my Blood Elf characters. Talendrion showed us that the tentacles aren't actually part of the Void Elf hairstyles and can be removed without leaving gaps in the hair models so it seems like turning the tentacles into a toggle is quite feasible.

[elbleuet]

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Farstriders


It is, exclusively, tied to blood elves right now, it is not a neutral group that exist in both factions

It isn't.

On the same page you brought up, there's an Alliance farstrider :

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Vyrin_Swiftwind

Also, the Farstriders are confirmed to be also in the Alliance :

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Ros%27eleth

When I first arrived, I'd hoped to meet the town's namesake.

<Ros'eleth glances around.>

Most young high elves outgrow the 'I wanna be a Farstrider' phase by the time they're taken as apprentices. Then, it's onto the 'I'm going to be a magister' stage.

So the farstriders are also in the Alliance.

[Vaedan]

I'm hoping that somewhere down the road Blizzard makes the Void Elf hair tentacles work the way the new Night Elf hair leaves work so every Void Elf hairstyle can have tentacles or not as taste warrants. This would also make it very easy to share Void Elf hairstyles with Blood Elves which is something I'd very much appreciate for my Blood Elf characters. Talendrion showed us that the tentacles aren't actually part of the Void Elf hairstyles and can be removed without leaving gaps in the hair models so it seems like turning the tentacles into a toggle is quite feasible.

Yes, most of them are fine even without tentacles, only ponytail haircuts feels somewhat incomplete without tentacles, but that is just my own personal taste. I hope we will come to this. They also removed moustaches from beards for humans, so I think it is possible we get tentacle-less option too! Not sure if we get it at launch, I'd expect that allied races will get more attention later.

It isn't.

On the same page you brought up, there's an Alliance farstrider :

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Vyrin_Swiftwind

Also, the Farstriders are confirmed to be also in the Alliance :

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Ros%27eleth



So the farstriders are also in the Alliance.

Nice find! Ros'eleth was also present at Trueshot Lodge, alongside other Farstriders... but I completely forgot about her.

[elbleuet]

Yes, most of them are fine even without tentacles, only ponytail haircuts feels somewhat incomplete without tentacles, but that is just my own personal taste. I hope we will come to this. They also removed moustaches from beards for humans, so I think it is possible we get tentacle-less option too! Not sure if we get it at launch, I'd expect that allied races will get more attention later.



Nice find! Ros'eleth was also present at Trueshot Lodge, alongside other Farstriders... but I completely forgot about her.

And for the record, the Alliance also has .... a farstrider lodge !

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Farstrider_Lodge

[Vaedan]

And for the record, the Alliance also has .... a farstrider lodge !

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Farstrider_Lodge

Also other high elven lodges around EK, which are populated mostly by rangers, share this design... So much for high elves abandoning their traditions and having no connection to Farstriders at all.

[FlubberPuddy]

You really should stop saying that he is being a smartass and being spiteful when thats what you have done for a couple of years now. Its so silly to read you being so defensive now after having your arguments fail time and time again.

You have been riding on this self confidence of blizzard "agreeing" with you for so long, even though your arguments has always been weak.

You still use that quote from metzen who himself meant that High Elves on the Horde made little sense. And a quote thats not even used in a context you want it to be. And you have it there solely to try to trigger people who have a different opinion than you. If thats not being spiteful, Geisl is a real life Angel. You now start to attack people and berates them for being spiteful when thats all what you have ever done in this thread.


You reap what you sow.

Hey thanks! And you're right, people reap what they sow. But some people accept it (O.K) and others don't (aka the ones still here being very defensive about the news).

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I can also very easily show more dishonesty in argumentation from Strippling. Here's the full question and quote I made in an earlier post:

"According to a dev interview Ion gave several months ago, Blood Elves were originally unintended to have blue eyes in Shadowlands, but later on that decision was reversed following team discussions. If the art department was involved, what was the reasoning that led to blue eyes being added for Void Elves and Blood Elves?

This is another place where there was a race, High Elves, in the game which hadn't really been represented on player characters. Blood Elves were the closest, but had felt green eyes. It was an opportunity where we had a number of elven races, and we could tie it back to their roots, letting players choose where they want to align and what fantasy to play out. We did have a lot of discussion about it, ultimately we might do more in the future, but for now we're providing the option to have a few High Elf customizations available."

Note that the question asks about Void Elves and Blood Elves. And in the answer that followed, it continues to lump the two groups together.

"It was an opportunity where we had a number of elven races, and we could tie it back to their roots, letting players choose where they want to align and what fantasy to play out."

That sentence right there is continuing the question's premise, being about both Void Elves and Blood Elves.

Then the very last sentence is saying, they might add more High Elf customization to both later, but for now they're providing a few.

Strippling is being dishonest as he implies it's only directed toward Void Elves. That's not the case at all when you look at the entire context of the question and answer of what Ely Cannon said.

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Proof of where Strippling said it's a sentence for Void Elves only:

we're providing the option to have a few High Elf customizations available.

This is from the recent interview with Art Director Ely Cannon. Void elves got the blood elf skin tones, but there has been no confirmation whether the blood elf hair colors will be given to them too. Time will tell, but from the interview it sounds like they're offering void elf players a "few high elf" customizations, not "all customizations". This would imply that they do still wish to maintain some level of distinction between races. Again, time will tell.. but for now you're jumping the gun if you think Blizzard have completely given up on the idea of faction distinction.

[Syegfryed]

That's where we disagree. High elves are not entitled for blood elven features,

it depends of what features you are talking about, do not forget that Blood elves are literally high elves, end, and void elves are elves change by the void

there are "high elf" thing that became exclusively a blood elf thing, in this case the farstrider faction.

Well, she maintained her ranger aesthetics and made it distinct from those blood elves adopted. To be honest, she is only wearing blue and silver colors, while blood elves tend to dress in red and gold... what's the deal?

and she isn't farstrider anymore, silver covenant

No, it was relevant to your claim that they have no reason to hold their old traditions.

there is no reason to "hold their old traditions" like this, when in fact, they didn't, they created their own organization with differences from the farstriders, similar sure, but not the same, so, their customization should not be the same either

Sure, but don't ignore the fact that Blizzard made it clear that void elves are also representing high elves now, so it's natural for them to have customization for this fantasy as well, not only the void one.

And again, farstrider isn't a high elf thing anymore, therefore, nonsense to be given to void elves

How you define Silver Covenant customization? Since this thread has many fan arts on this topic and antihelfers claimed most of them are blood elven.

more related to dalaran and mage/runic stuff

but it is not what most of posters are now displaying now. People are actually happy we get fair skins for void elves and yea, to have high elf fantasy complete, we need more natural hair colors and some new hairstyles... but those does not have to be blood elven. Like I said before, human and kul tiran hair styles make pretty good service to that fantasy as well, and it could be also an evidence of how elves are affected by human culture. Does it hurt blood elves? I don't think so.

you would be surprised of how people like you said are minority, a lot of people just put a facade so they can get things slowly, one step at each, first, colors, then world is open

Again, i don't care if void elf get exclusive stuff, the problem is they getting belf stuff, with the excuse of "its generic high elf stuff", i think it should be a limit

Well, why not? I would not mind blood elves having void elven hair styles at all.

some people don't agre with you, they think void elves should get the belf haircolor/styles, and belves should not get the velves ones, and this where lies the problem

Also, blizzard is probably not giving all the allied races related the options the other races have anyway, elves should not be exception

I said what is possible to expect. Blizzard showed us that they are now actually listening to player's feedback this time, and these ranger tattoos are pretty favorite request, which started with high elf community

and the point still lies down to how this request, like helf paladin, was always based around fanfiction and nonsense

There are people who thinks these tattoos should be high elven only, to differentiate them further from blood elves, which shows no such thing in their ranks at all, but I don't believe blood elves should be deprived of that. It is fantasy which belongs to both groups.

to think the farstrider option should not be an option to the actual farstrider shows the problem like i said before

yeah, tattoos isn't a fantasy of one group, but farstrider tattoos should be

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It isn't.

On the same page you brought up, there's an Alliance farstrider :

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Vyrin_Swiftwind

she isn't "an alliance farstrider", she was formerly a farstrider, in the same page you brought up...

Also, the Farstriders are confirmed to be also in the Alliance :

you want to tell me that a Seamstress, who only came to the unseen path to help is a farstrider

So the farstriders are also in the Alliance.

only if elves lived from generations....and she was talking about the past and not saying farstriders are also in the alliance cause this is a nonsense commentary

And for the record, the Alliance also has .... a farstrider lodge !

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Farstrider_Lodge

ah yes, a place "ruled" by a dwarf, full of dwarves, with only one elf npc, isn't like they could just didn't bother to change the name, nope, totally means the dwarves belongs to the farstriders.

[Traveler Voltin]

so i am assuming that we have reached.
"give an inch, demand a mile" levels now.

[Andromedes]

so i am assuming that we have reached.
"give an inch, demand a mile" levels now.

Just like undead players who got all flesh option? "Now that we have no bones showing, can we have option to play as a full skeleton? Oh and also we want straight backs please, we are not savages who huch over. Oh and can we have Nathanos like forsaken? And can we have beards?"

Or spiteful blood elf players who got golden eyes. "Now that we have golden eyes, can we also have blue eyes to complete our high elven fantasy? (Not to spite pro helfers)"

[Yarathir]

Just like undead players who got all flesh option? "Now that we have no bones showing, can we have option to play as a full skeleton? Oh and also we want straight backs please, we are not savages who huch over. Oh and can we have Nathanos like forsaken? And can we have beards?"

Or spiteful blood elf players who got golden eyes. "Now that we have golden eyes, can we also have blue eyes to complete our high elven fantasy? (Not to spite pro helfers)"

I still, still don't get why Forsaken players assume they're entitled to a straight back option.

There was a reason it was given to Orcs and that was because Orcs were meant to have them in the first place. The hunch was a peon thing and a holdover from Classic.

Forsaken were intended to have a hunch, so it's not fixing a long overdue error.

[FlubberPuddy]

I still, still don't get why Forsaken players assume they're entitled to a straight back option.

There was a reason it was given to Orcs and that was because Orcs were meant to have them in the first place. The hunch was a peon thing and a holdover from Classic.

Forsaken were intended to have a hunch, so it's not fixing a long overdue error.

I also read earlier that a Blizzard developer said they're in a sense going to retcon some of the initial ways they've introduced race looks because they don't want to be beholden to design ideas from 15 years ago.

Therefore I am starting to think people should kind of drop a bit of 'this is how the race was introduced and that's how they should stay', like everything with the game and irl. Things evolve.

I don't necessarily feel Forsaken players feel entitled but it's mostly a natural reaction of 'if it can be done for one race, why can't it be done for others' which I think is a reasonable stance to take.

Also agreed with @Andromedes , it's very natural to ask for more after getting some additions. People who are trying to act like the majority of players don't do this and only 'entitled' or 'unappreciative' folk are the only ones asking for more are being purposefully obtuse about it.

Go look at the Blood Elves Discussion thread, Blood Elves have already gotten so much and people are still asking for more. It's just natural.

[delus]

Just like undead players who got all flesh option? "Now that we have no bones showing, can we have option to play as a full skeleton? Oh and also we want straight backs please, we are not savages who huch over. Oh and can we have Nathanos like forsaken? And can we have beards?"

Or spiteful blood elf players who got golden eyes. "Now that we have golden eyes, can we also have blue eyes to complete our high elven fantasy? (Not to spite pro helfers)"

Actually I see more requests for the nathanos model, which is really just pale human with glowy eyes. Funny with how much hate humans get.

[Syegfryed]

Just like undead players who got all flesh option? "Now that we have no bones showing, can we have option to play as a full skeleton? Oh and also we want straight backs please, we are not savages who huch over. Oh and can we have Nathanos like forsaken? And can we have beards?"

none of those options is on the other faction, even if the nathanos model is add, it would still be significant different from the humans of the alliance, lets not be hypocrites yes?

Or spiteful blood elf players who got golden eyes. "Now that we have golden eyes, can we also have blue eyes to complete our high elven fantasy? (Not to spite pro helfers)"

asking a canon option for then isn't spiteful just because "pro-helfes" think they are entitled to have then, isn't like they asked the silver covenant to join the horde.

[DeicideUH]

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