Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Neverafter]

The high elves shown in the game are not blood elves. The high elves in the game are what the pro-high elf community wants to play as. Not a blood elf.

This is why implementation is important. The High Elves shown in game ARE Blood Elves. The only visible difference is the eyes. Backstory, lore, other details may separate Blood Elves and High Elves, but as far as how they are presented in game, that is exactly what they are; Blue Eyed Blood Elves.

[Aldo Hawk]

This is why implementation is important. The High Elves shown in game ARE Blood Elves. The only visible difference is the eyes. Backstory, lore, other details may separate Blood Elves and High Elves, but as far as how they are presented in game, that is exactly what they are; Blue Eyed Blood Elves.

Thalassian is the word.

I don't know what else to add, is simple as that. They are Thalassians, call them whatever you want, that doesn't change the fact.

[Ielenia]

You realise how entitled you sound?

There's no entitlement.

Blizzard is well within their rights to release any race and implement them in any way they want. But attempting to claim that void elves were a compromise really is a slap on the face of the high elf community simply because it shows a huge disconnect between them and their players. The high elf community doesn't want to play as blood elves. They want to play as high elves. They may look mostly the same, but they are anything but the same.

If Blizzard made the void elves come from high elves, instead of blood elves, then we could call it a compromise. If it would be a good or bad one is another thing entirely, but at least it showed that they put some effort in giving the high elf community what they have been asking for.

But no. They went and made the AR come from blood elves.

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The High Elves shown in game ARE Blood Elves.

No, they are not. What you just said is objectively false. The elves in the Silver Covenant are not blood elves. The elves in the Allerian Stronghold are not high elves. The elven mages around Stormwind's portal area are not blood elves. The Alliance NPC elf team for the Island Expeditions are not blood elves.

[Neverafter]

No, they are not. What you just said is objectively false. The elves in the Silver Covenant are not blood elves. The elves in the Allerian Stronghold are not high elves. The elven mages around Stormwind's portal area are not blood elves. The Alliance NPC elf team for the Island Expeditions are not blood elves.

Evidently, the correct word is Thalassian?

Blood Elves have used this Thalassian Model now since their inception in BC and High Elves have used that same model, with a swap for eyes, since BC. If you want to argue over semantics and such, thats one argument, but the models of the Silver Covenant, Allerian Stronghold, Elven Mages in Stormwind, Alliance NPC on Island Expeditions and anywhere else you want to name use the same in game model as Blood Elves.

[Ielenia]

If you want to argue over semantics and such,

It's not "semantics". It's an important disctinction. High elves in the game are not blood elves, and blood elves are not high elves. Calling each the other is a great offence, for example.

[FlubberPuddy]

Evidently, the correct word is Thalassian?

Blood Elves have used this Thalassian Model now since their inception in BC and High Elves have used that same model, with a swap for eyes, since BC. If you want to argue over semantics and such, thats one argument, but the models of the Silver Covenant, Allerian Stronghold, Elven Mages in Stormwind, Alliance NPC on Island Expeditions and anywhere else you want to name use the same in game model as Blood Elves.

Here you go dude:



If an NPC can tell the difference between a High Elf and a Blood Elf, if you're still unconvinced by something even a WoW NPC knows then I wonder where's the cause for such ignorance to continue.

[Neverafter]

Here you go dude:



If an NPC can tell the difference between a High Elf and a Blood Elf, if you're still unconvinced by something even a WoW NPC knows then I wonder where's the cause for such ignorance to continue.

Don't act so condescending or talk about ignorance, especially if you are going to try to argue that High Elves and Blood Elves do not share the same Thalassian model.

[FlubberPuddy]

Don't act so condescending or talk about ignorance, especially if you are going to try to argue that High Elves and Blood Elves do not share the same Thalassian model.

Never tried to argue that, nor am I being condescending. It's not a crime to talk about ignorance, especially once evidence is presented in a direct manner.

Anyways, the argument is the name matters. "High Elf" has meaning, just as "Blood Elf" has meaning, just as "Mag'har" has meaning, "Dark Iron" has meaning, "Zandalari" has meaning.

Yes, Blizzard decided to use the name of a race (high elf) as the name for a group as well (High Elf). But at this point of the conversation, unless you're someone that hasn't paid attention to even a modicum of this conversation then one should be able to understand what is being meant by now when people within this discussion say, "I want High Elves to be playable."

[matrix123mko]

Here you go dude:



If an NPC can tell the difference between a High Elf and a Blood Elf, if you're still unconvinced by something even a WoW NPC knows then I wonder where's the cause for such ignorance to continue.

It is the matter of armor. Elisande can see that some figures aren't red.

[FlubberPuddy]

It is the matter of armor. Elisande can see that some figures aren't red.

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[LowestFormOfWit]

Why does Elisande's pure insult to High Elves matter at all? It was a stinger that they bear a name they aren't worthy of given their actions and human mingling (as we see, the two last notable High Elves left both bore Half Elven children).

Nobody is saying High Elves don't exist.
Nobody is saying High Elves aren't somewhat different.

The issue is they aren't different enough to merit being playable.

The playable High Elves are the Blood Elves.
The playable High Elves, now Blood Elves, are Horde.
The playable High Elves, now Blood Elves, went through a major story arc in WC3: TFT and WoW: TBC to get to this point.

There is no indication that Blizzard wants to do anything outside NPC or support roles with what remains of Alliance High Elves, as they have done for over 10 years.

[Frenchvince]

Why does Elisande's pure insult to High Elves matter at all? It was a stinger that they bear a name they aren't worthy of given their actions and human mingling (as we see, the two last notable High Elves left both bore Half Elven children).

Nobody is saying High Elves don't exist.
Nobody is saying High Elves aren't somewhat different.

The issue is they aren't different enough to merit being playable.

The playable High Elves are the Blood Elves.
The playable High Elves, now Blood Elves, are Horde.
The playable High Elves, now Blood Elves, went through a major story arc in WC3: TFT and WoW: TBC to get to this point.

There is no indication that Blizzard wants to do anything outside NPC or support roles with what remains of Alliance High Elves, as they have done for over 10 years.

You have forgotten :

The playable blood elves are the void elves.
The playable blood elves, now void elves, are the alliance.
The playable blood elves, now the void elves, have gone through a major story in the Alleria scenario to get to this point.

The high elves are in the horde and the blood elves are in the alliance, right?

It's no easier than every thalassian elf keep their true name?

There is bad faith in the air ...

[Obelisk Kai]

You have forgotten :

The playable blood elves are the void elves.
The playable blood elves, now void elves, are the alliance.
The playable blood elves, now the void elves, have gone through a major story in the Alleria scenario to get to this point.

The high elves are in the horde and the blood elves are in the alliance, right?

It's no easier than every thalassian elf keep their true name?

There is bad faith in the air ...

Not really bad faith.

A Blood Elf is identical to an Alliance High Elf in every aspect except politics.

A Void Elf is substantially different from a Blood/Alliance High Elf because of their transformation.

Void Elves USED to be Blood Elves and Alliance High Elves. They no longer are. They are different. A Void Elf is NOT a Blood/High Elf.

[FlubberPuddy]

There is bad faith in the air ...

Bad faith and hilariously salty over people making a request for a race they want to play.

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Nobody is saying High Elves don't exist.
Nobody is saying High Elves aren't somewhat different.

Yet it seems most people don't want to admit one more thing:

High Elves are on the Alliance and have been among them since WoW released and through multiple expansions.

The bold is what separates them from idiotic statements like "so there's 1 goblin in SI:7 does that means Goblins should be an alliance AR" and "Horde works with kul'tiran pirates in one expansion does that mean Horde should ask for Kul Tiran AR".

Which is dumb anyway since ultimately everyone can ask for whatever they wish. I'd like to see people who make those kind of comments go and make a thread based on those kinds of statements with as much supporting evidence as High Elves for Alliance have.

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A Void Elf is NOT a Blood/High Elf.

And a High Elf is not a Blood Elf.

Even if Blood Elves used to be a High Elf, or one considers them "a High Elf".

Fact remains some High Elves are simply that, High Elves. No other names, and remain on Alliance. Those are the ones people want to play.

[Obelisk Kai]

And a High Elf is not a Blood Elf.

Even if Blood Elves used to be a High Elf, or one considers them "a High Elf".

Fact remains some High Elves are simply that, High Elves. No other names, and remain on Alliance. Those are the ones people want to play.

Do we really have to go over this time and time again?

A Void Elf is not a Blood/High Elf because they got blasted by a tremendous amount of void energy that triggered a physical transformation. There is no equivalence between the physical transformation that separated Void Elves from Blood/Alliance High Elves and the philosophical dispute that separated Blood and Alliance High Elves. A philosophical dispute that has since been resolved by the way.

In other words, a physical transformation triggered by outside magical intervention is an event of more substance than an argument that hasn't mattered in over a decade in real time.

Nothing now separates a Blood Elf from the ideal of what a High Elf should be. Light-orientated, fair skinned, blonde haired, magic using, haughty elves. The only differentiating factor is the one you keep citing, that they are on the Alliance.

That just isn't good enough. Blizzard has told us that isn't good enough. The reason Void Elves exist at all is because a mere political disagreement is not good enough.

Getting zapped by void energy howerver, is.

[FlubberPuddy]

Do we really have to go over this time and time again?

A Void Elf is not a Blood/High Elf because they got blasted by a tremendous amount of void energy that triggered a physical transformation. There is no equivalence between the physical transformation that separated Void Elves from Blood/Alliance High Elves and the philosophical dispute that separated Blood and Alliance High Elves. A philosophical dispute that has since been resolved by the way.

In other words, a physical transformation triggered by outside magical intervention is an event of more substance than an argument that hasn't mattered in over a decade in real time.

Nothing now separates a Blood Elf from the ideal of what a High Elf should be. Light-orientated, fair skinned, blonde haired, magic using, haughty elves. The only differentiating factor is the one you keep citing, that they are on the Alliance.

That just isn't good enough. Blizzard has told us that isn't good enough. The reason Void Elves exist at all is because a mere political disagreement is not good enough.

Getting zapped by void energy howerver, is.

High Elves aren't haughty at all, nor do they come off as Light-oriented as the Blood Elves. Blizzard gave High Elves voiceovers from Night Elves to further showcase this difference in personalities. And idk about you but we don't get plastered with High Elves using Light like the Blood Elves do with their Blood Knights being everywhere.

High Elves are most often see as Rangers and/or Mages. I'd say more Ranger leaning since the Silver Covenant pledged to help the Hunter Order hall in Legion.

Sharing fair skin or blonde hair doesn't matter as that's Night Elves and Nightborne share purple/blue skin and white hair so that's a given it's not a consideration.

We don't have to go over this time and again, everything you quoted from me there is still truth/fact.

Just because part of a race went from High Elf -> Blood Elf, and some went from High Elf -> Blood Elf -> Void Elf doesn't not mean the same applies in reverse.

High Elf = Blood Elf isn't a fact nor truth, due to it being proven false by the existence of High Elves on the Alliance. It is not A -> <- B -> <- C. Nor is it A -> <- B.

Just as a Void Elf cannot unbecome back to a Blood Elf, we have yet to see a Blood Elf go back to being a High Elf. It's a one way trip as far as evidenced by the game. Even Ion cannot bring himself to straight up say "A Blood Elf is a High Elf". Using "kinda" and "pretty much" would be the same as me saying Mag'har kinda are Orcs, or Mag'har pretty much are Orcs.

The High Elves in the Alliance and the Blood Elves on the Horde offer different fantasies, using any current model of High Elves vs the playable versions of races is silly because when any race becomes playable they are given extra customization options.

Look at Kul Tirans, Dark Irons, and Zandalari to see proof of this. All these races got model changes / extra customizations once work on their playable versions began.

Kul Tirans especially, who straight up used the exact same model as playable Humans until they were decided to become playable by Blizzard.

[Aldo Hawk]

Look at Kul Tirans, Dark Irons, and Zandalari to see proof of this. All these races got model changes / extra customizations once work on their playable versions began.

Kul Tirans especially, who straight up used the exact same model as playable Humans until they were decided to become playable by Blizzard.

Wait a minute.

Didn't Zandalari and Kul'tiran received extra customization -on top- of what they had when BfA released?

Like... They had the new models, but added even further from that.

[Doffen]

A Void Elf is NOT a Blood/High Elf.

Factually wrong. That's an opinion, wich you can have of course. Void Elves are former Blood Elves, wich again are High Elves. A High Elf from the Alliance is neither. This is a fact.

Void Elves USED to be Blood Elves and Alliance High Elves.

Where does it say/show that Void Elves also are former Alliance High Elves btw?

Void Elves are the Alliance playable flavor of High Elves(Blood Elves)at this point. You might go with your fantasy, but that doesn't make it true.

[FlubberPuddy]

Wait a minute.

Didn't Zandalari and Kul'tiran received extra customization -on top- of what they had when BfA released?

Like... They had the new models, but added even further from that.

Yeah I think tattoos for Zandalari, as well as a new face for the males IIRC. Then for Kul Tirans I think it was either new faces or new facial hair for the males, I didn't really keep up with the KT as much though.

[Aldo Hawk]

Yeah I think tattoos for Zandalari, as well as a new face for the males IIRC. Then for Kul Tirans I think it was either new faces or new facial hair for the males, I didn't really keep up with the KT as much though.

So of course if they add High elves they will simply copypaste their current NPC models amirite?