1. #14041
    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    I am one of those few here in this thread(it seems) that really likes Void Elves for what they are, and how they look. I wasn't and still not in the group of the pro High Elves for the Alliance, but I am all for more options. If Alliance got High Elves that looked differently than Blood Elves, I would think that would be a great addition to the game. If the Alliance got High Elves that looks like High Elves that would be cool too.

    But definitely, I agree. I really love Void Elves, and the small changes they got were good changes imo. I laughed at the idea first when it was datamined back in 2017, but here I am, 4 Void Elves at max later. Blizzard can go in any direction they want, and more variety, more options within the factions and between them would be good. To make an example of something that they did wrong, is that I think that one of the reasons when it comes to the playable Nightborne, that they made them different from the npc Nightborne was to make them more like Night Elves, just like Void Elves are like Blood Elves. Which I also think is kinda silly when the npc Nightborne looks so much better. They had the possibility to make them more unique, but they didn't, they even went out of their way to make them more similar to Night Elves. Which I think is rather silly.

    But this is Blizzard going safe, they don't seem to like to make stuff so much more different. We players seems to disagree with that.
    It went well with Void Elves, which is based on the most popular model. And don't mistake my favoritism of Void Elves for some kind of hypocrisy :P I just think overall Blizzard could give us more options and more variety when it comes to races. The new customization options we seem to be getting in Shadowlands seems to be good though.
    You're also one of the few that thinks like me that nightborne npc looks much better. I like females better too, maybe the eyes are a bit too chinese but i love the npcs nightborne and i wanted them playable, and they were added for my surprise but totally changed, but the males looks amazing as npcs. As playable, and i already said this, i think blizzard needs to change male characters to make them more appealing, they don't have much manly good looking faces, they look weird.







    Really and the chin nightborne heritage on female looks so bad.

    It's like a damn beard. The rest of the heritage is great without that little detail. And male could have heritage like in the second image.
    It could change from a dress to this on a male, once you mog it.

    Ok just compare this ye:

    What we have:


    What we could have:



    (Getting images from google, so still gets the current model)



    I want them to be open minded. And change even Nightborne as they could change the High Elves.

    They want to make npcs appealing for the game to play, but once it's for the player to play it's like "oh, now now guys, we need to make them look like night elves, after you spent court of stars and the whole suramar content seeing the nightborne nothing like night elves. We want you to look at your nightborne, and remember all the time, that it was a night elf, adding the same features on them now."

    Reeeeee. xD Guess what i would have turned into a nightborne and give them more money if they made it look like more npcs.
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  2. #14042
    Quote Originally Posted by Shakana View Post
    You're also one of the few that thinks like me that nightborne npc looks much better. I like females better too, maybe the eyes are a bit too chinese but i love the npcs nightborne and i wanted them playable, and they were added for my surprise but totally changed, but the males looks amazing as npcs. As playable, and i already said this, i think blizzard needs to change male characters to make them more appealing, they don't have much manly good looking faces, they look weird.







    Really and the chin nightborne heritage on female looks so bad.

    It's like a damn beard. The rest of the heritage is great without that little detail. And male could have heritage like in the second image.
    It could change from a dress to this on a male, once you mog it.

    Ok just compare this ye:

    What we have:


    What we could have:



    (Getting images from google, so still gets the current model)



    I want them to be open minded. And change even Nightborne as they could change the High Elves.
    Yep, totally agree. I mean just looking at the pictures it tells a story of something weird that happened :P

    I think the Nightborne Heritage looks awesome, except that "beard" hehe, which is strangely enough from the robe. If they just removed that, perfect. But the picture you linked here with the female with that purple dress, that is even better. Don't know how many times I mentioned that during the countless Court of Stars runs I had(more than 500, true story), but that dress, those shoulders on that female character. Just lovely.
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  3. #14043
    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    Yep, totally agree. I mean just looking at the pictures it tells a story of something weird that happened :P

    I think the Nightborne Heritage looks awesome, except that "beard" hehe, which is strangely enough from the robe. If they just removed that, perfect. But the picture you linked here with the female with that purple dress, that is even better. Don't know how many times I mentioned that during the countless Court of Stars runs I had(more than 500, true story), but that dress, those shoulders on that female character. Just lovely.
    It's because court of stars, that was my favorite dungeon run in m+ even, that i wanted nightborne so bad. xD I saw this so much that i was already in love with nightborne and wanted them on the game so bad.

    I loved suramar, and i knew so much rep with them, would probably give a race to play. Like Liadrin even talking about helping them, both alliance and horde, and i said, oh man there's no way they won't make them playable. But i was still skeptic. Because i didn't see blizzard adding a new race for so long!

    But when they did i got disappointed. I've seen this amazing guys in suramar, such a great design, and then they are this, you stand close to a nightborne npc with your nightborne and you feel misplaced. xD

    Please, they know how to make good stuff, i think it's time for them to give us players something better. I'm tired of looking like a garbage version of npcs.

    I want to be epic too.

    And high elves i wouldn't mind having them too, difference is that i play horde on a hardcore way and unfortunately i wouldn't make one, but one can still dream, it's not because i'm horde that i don't want have them added, but i want to differentiate a high elf from a blood elf that is not just the eyes.

    C'mon blizzard :c take opportunity on the new customizations to do this. And later on Allied races too.


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    Nozdormu Elves should totally be a thing! Let the Blood Elves be Blood Elves and give High Elves his awesome model.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakana View Post
    You're also one of the few that thinks like me that nightborne npc looks much better. I like females better too, maybe the eyes are a bit too chinese but i love the npcs nightborne and i wanted them playable, and they were added for my surprise but totally changed, but the males looks amazing as npcs. As playable, and i already said this, i think blizzard needs to change male characters to make them more appealing, they don't have much manly good looking faces, they look weird.







    Really and the chin nightborne heritage on female looks so bad.

    It's like a damn beard. The rest of the heritage is great without that little detail. And male could have heritage like in the second image.
    It could change from a dress to this on a male, once you mog it.

    Ok just compare this ye:

    What we have:


    What we could have:



    (Getting images from google, so still gets the current model)



    I want them to be open minded. And change even Nightborne as they could change the High Elves.

    They want to make npcs appealing for the game to play, but once it's for the player to play it's like "oh, now now guys, we need to make them look like night elves, after you spent court of stars and the whole suramar content seeing the nightborne nothing like night elves. We want you to look at your nightborne, and remember all the time, that it was a night elf, adding the same features on them now."

    Reeeeee. xD Guess what i would have turned into a nightborne and give them more money if they made it look like more npcs.
    Totally agreed! But what they should have changed is the running animation

    It looks soooooo weird when they run

    They should have taken the exact night elf animations as they are perfect as they are
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  6. #14046
    Quote Originally Posted by Shakana View Post
    I think we need to make a drawing: Humans: variety of colors, variety of eye colors, variety of skins, variety of political views, thin and fat, still HUMANS. On a fantasy game, they (High/Blood Elves) just got their eyes changed by something that happened instead of being born with it, doesn't mean they are not the same.

    But you have as well kultirans to show different humans.

    So this being said, you can have repeated races, but i don't think it's necessary. That's all. They even made Kultirans large to differentiate from normal humans.

    Why would blizz make players look to blood elves eyes or high elves eyes, to see who is who, unless, they change their appearance too?

    They can change them.I will stay with @Ignaz and say Nozdormu High elves personalization is the option here, no Doubt. They would look more unique. They got separated from Blood Elves so they can change meanwhile.

    Maybe the Fel exposure didn't let Blood Elves evolve in appearance, but High Elves did. There is so much more stuff where you can have creat(e)ivity and not just mess around with the information you have, lore wasn't made with existent things, lore was created with creativity.

    Being creative means someone that knows how to create. Not make a copy of a copy. And in this game you don't need to go in such a straight line.

    (Even more them using void elves to show how we can just twist the lore in matter of seconds)

    Nightborne will always be Night Elves variation. Evolved in a unique way, doesn't mean they are not night elves.

    Night Elves evolved to Highborne and High elves, from Highborne to Nightborne, and High Elves to Blood Elves, from High/Blood to Void Elves.

    Night Elves are like Human race, that had and have different people in every corner. It's ironic we being humans and not understanding there's different elves but they all came from the same first elves - Night Elves.

    And the more they evolved, the more they appreciated other luxury than just nature, and living in trees. Seems pretty similar to humanity, in the beginning without much constructions there was a lot of nature, the more people appreciate architecture and loved luxury, the more that nature disappeared. But there's still places like those, for example, let's say Amazon. But they are trying to destroy amazon too. For what? To get wood, to make luxury toilet paper and paper in general. This is a luxury, i'm sure the nightborne would love it.

    Dark trolls were the Australopithecus, and Night Elves are the genus Homo/Homo sapiens. (In evolution terms, not being racist, btw.)

    My analogy:
    All the elves are like humanity.
    All elves exist.
    None is dead
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    I share your point, totally

  7. #14047
    Skyrim high elves looked weird

  8. #14048
    Quote Originally Posted by Strippling View Post
    Firstly, I'm not interested in semantics. If you can't clearly and concisely state your argument, followed by backing it with credible sources, then you're really just reaching and arguing for the sake of personal biased agenda
    .
    If you are going to use a reference or quote to support your point of view, You have to be aware of the meaning of the words your "source" uses. Otherwise your point will be questioned quickly (as now).
    Lore is important in the narrative chain of a story, but the (obvious) things that the viewer perceives with their eyes and that are not written in a wall are also important.



    Secondly, we know blood elves and high elves are biologically the same. Blood elves were never "mutated", simply tainted due to indirect exposure to fel. That taint is cleansing, as is apparent due to the golden eye options. Soon blue eye options may also become a reality (we'll find out when blood elf customizations are announced/datamined), which would further support the notion that blood elves who don't dabble with fel (ie pretty much any blood elf who isn't a warlock or DH) are slowly being cleansed by the sunwell. And guess what, the high elf exiles are also sustained by this very same sunwell... further bonding the biology and physiology of both groups.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_genetics
    Here is a summary of the basics of population genetics. I recommend you go straight to the concept of mutation.
    If you read the principle of mutation, you will understand that "a simple change in eyes and skin color" is enough to be considered a mutation.

    Again, pointing out biology or physiology here is irrelevant:
    1) It is a video game that does not explain a bit about the biological processes of each race
    2) physiological processes are characteristics that can be shared between different races (95% of the physiological processes of humans are shared with other species such as dogs, etc.)

    BE were not just indirectly exposed to fel energy. They literally used fel magic practices to drain the life / magic of creatures and crystals full of fel energy. Also, these demonic crystals constantly radiate the citizens of Silvermoon city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benedict Donald View Post
    Nozdormu Elves should totally be a thing! Let the Blood Elves be Blood Elves and give High Elves his awesome model.
    Bring Nozdormu Elves!
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