Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Varodoc]

High Elves are a playable race under Blood Elf and Void Elf.

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Dalaran is a neutral city that people like Aethas helped rebuild and float. Quelthalas is the land of the patriots who protect their country and the sunwell. the void elves created their own society and their new country in telogrus

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I only follow the canon and in the canon anduin is on vacation and is still the king. turalyon is only regent.

No, the throne is in Turalyon's hands, as explicitly stated by Greymane.

Why do you want to die on this hill? You know you'll be proven wrong right?

[elbleuet]

eh, I'd consider that ineffective immediately the moment Jaina left Dalaran

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Why ?

Where's your Horde representative among the Kirin Tor ?

There's none.

Dalaran is letting Horde to set foot again in it for the greater good and because Blizzard is too lazy to design a new capital for Horde players.

But the truth is... the Kirin Tor is completely Alliance, Khadgar is Alliance, and the Horde was not allowed to have a representative again in Dalaran.

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Dalaran is a neutral city that people like Aethas helped rebuild and float. Quelthalas is the land of the patriots who protect their country and the sunwell. the void elves created their own society and their new country in telogrus

So maybe you should learn more about the void elves.

Telogrus is condamned to disappear, and void elves still consider Quel'Thalas as their homeland.

And no Dalaran isn't neutral. Maybe in your headcanon but not in the lore.

[Mace]

Oh yea! That moonwell looks very void-elfish to me. It even has the little stars in it.

If Elune was some sort of head Naaru or the creator of the Naaru, I could see a sort of two poles of Elune thing going on. Especially when the Naaru can shift into the void and become Void Lords.

Also @Varadoc - that Moonwell is basically your key to connecting and building a relationship between night elves and void elves - which has the potential to be far more meaningful than the nightborne/blood elf one for several reasons - especially how the void can help, and the appeal night elves will have to void elves, and the need of the druids for help with the nightmare creating a demand for void elves - this is a connection to night elves in all 4 of their areas.

1. Priesthood - obviously learning more about the dark side of Elune, Tyrande's new control of the immense power of the night warrior ritual would be very attractive to void elves
2. Highborne connection - they would find a lot of welcome amongst the Highborne caste amongst the Darnassians, and friendships there
3. Druids - druids will need more powerful help in beating the nightmare in the emerald dream, can't see any of group more perfect for the job than void elves - which could lead to cool void elf druid forms
4. Illidari DHs - no group can understand the void elves more than this one, and they can relate well, having both night elves and blood elves in it and the ostracism the void elves received from the blood elves for using the void is very much similar to how others treated the Illidari.

The void elves can literally connect with every group and discipline of the night elves. Meanwhile, the only connection the Nightborne have with the blood elves is arcane love and love of pretty cities, and Lor'themar's boner for Thalyssra - if you ask me, the Void elf/Night elf connection is by far the more interesting one to develop and build.

It's entirely their fault, Nightborne basically and essentially replace blood elves or vice versa, they were too similar which is why little development can happen, and when you see it, the Nightborne have to replace the blood elves for arcane stuff, shifting the blood elves more to light stuff.


Word of warning though, they are some very hard of hearing wow fans out there, some still to this day refuse to accept the Moonwells are arcane energy waters fro the Well of Eternity, despite it literally been told so, they would have a hard time looking at the Dark Moonwell or void well.

Can you imagine the void elves enhancing these to be void wells, and the new black moon sect, consisting of night elves and void elves from all works of life being this new Elune sub-faction. I mean if worgen can join the sentinels, why not void elves the black moon sect?

[mayorovd]

How many High Elf fanatics are out there?

[Efcharisto]

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that had the same energy of Taiwanese still wanting to reclaim Mongolia

How so? Blood elves being present in Dalaran isn't the same as saying blood elves should conquer Dalaran. And the fact is, the guy I was replying to doesn't have a leg to stand on. He thinks void elves should be allowed in Silvermoon simply because blood elves are allowed in Dalaran, when the reality is there ARE High Elves in Silvermoon, (or at least at the Sunwell) and Dalaran has historically had Blood elves and Silvermoon reps in general in it.

Unless you are saying the guy who I was replying to had that energy. Then I suppose that makes sense.

I would say yes until proven otherwise. Void elves are just high elves that are studying the void in application to whatever field they specialise in , love or are interested in.. this allows void elves to explore many facets and areas like druidism, botany, the elements that otherwise blood elves would not have - Is ay this based on the race description and purpose - rather than what they have shown us so far, because frankly they haven't shown us much.

Void elves should make a big deal of actually having every class and applying the void, using it, tackling it, investigating it with respect to every vein of magic - this is actually what they are all about .

We have known from Wc2 lore through to TBC that high elves and even blood elves after the rename, still value and love nature, they study it.. we saw them using the treants to tend the gardens and actually care about them, as blood elves (who've been hardened), so you can imagine what it was like as high elves where such things were far more prevalent. We saw blood elves studying nature as botanists and using nature magic even able to shapeshift into a treant. Without a doubt we would have void elves interested in nature and seeking to study the void.

We haven't been shown them yet, but if blizzard ever decide to think about what they wrote concerning void elves and what it means in terms of classes and faction alignment, I wouldn't be surprised to see void elf druids pop up, working with te night elven druids to tackle the nightmare and protect Azeroth from the void in the dream, and void elven elemental wielders using the power of the void to increase their control of the elements and thus having access to the shaman class. Void elf paladins could be people that use the void and light to augment melee - void elves do have access to the light - Alleria's story shows it and tells us this - void elf paladins can be light based or actually a void mirror in which case they would be called something else but still register as the paladin class.

I personally would say no until proven otherwise. With a small caveat.

While you are right, the blood elves clearly were displayed to still love nature like their High Elven brethren, though likely more willing to sacrifice nature for their own needs and survival than I suspect the High Elves would be, the Void Elves probably are even more "hardened" in that regard than blood elves given the fact they have fully embraced such a destructive force like the Void. This is unlike the Blood elves who (despite the obvious implications of both official Blizzard concept art, early fan art and even some vague in game allusions all originally being to the contrary) did not fully embrace even the most basic fel magic and corrupt arcane magic throughout their society (this likely part of that High Elfication you mentioned prick Metzen and co doing).

As a result, I suspect most Void Elves are probably kinda indifferent to nature outside of perhaps as another thing to study as you said. Now, if Void Elves truly are meant to be basically Blood Elves 2.0 with void instead of fel (I like fel more.... I want true Blood elves 1.0...) then I could see them trying to "enslave" druidic magics as blood elves enslaved the light. Likely by taming/enslaving the Emerald Nightmare and have a type of druidic magic by proxy.

Does Alleria's story show that Void Elves besides Alleria have access to the holy light? Because Alleria is pretty exceptional. One can not compare most Velves to her.

[Ardenaso]

How so? Blood elves being present in Dalaran isn't the same as saying blood elves should conquer Dalaran. And the fact is, the guy I was replying to doesn't have a leg to stand on. He thinks void elves should be allowed in Silvermoon simply because blood elves are allowed in Dalaran, when the reality is there ARE High Elves in Silvermoon, (or at least at the Sunwell) and Dalaran has historically had Blood elves and Silvermoon reps in general in it.

Unless you are saying the guy who I was replying to had that energy. Then I suppose that makes sense.

yes the one you replied to

[username993720]

I would say yes until proven otherwise. Void elves are just high elves that are studying the void in application to whatever field they specialise in , love or are interested in.. this allows void elves to explore many facets and areas like druidism, botany, the elements that otherwise blood elves would not have - Is ay this based on the race description and purpose - rather than what they have shown us so far, because frankly they haven't shown us much.

Void elves should make a big deal of actually having every class and applying the void, using it, tackling it, investigating it with respect to every vein of magic - this is actually what they are all about .

We have known from Wc2 lore through to TBC that high elves and even blood elves after the rename, still value and love nature, they study it.. we saw them using the treants to tend the gardens and actually care about them, as blood elves (who've been hardened), so you can imagine what it was like as high elves where such things were far more prevalent. We saw blood elves studying nature as botanists and using nature magic even able to shapeshift into a treant. Without a doubt we would have void elves interested in nature and seeking to study the void.

We haven't been shown them yet, but if blizzard ever decide to think about what they wrote concerning void elves and what it means in terms of classes and faction alignment, I wouldn't be surprised to see void elf druids pop up, working with te night elven druids to tackle the nightmare and protect Azeroth from the void in the dream, and void elven elemental wielders using the power of the void to increase their control of the elements and thus having access to the shaman class. Void elf paladins could be people that use the void and light to augment melee - void elves do have access to the light - Alleria's story shows it and tells us this - void elf paladins can be light based or actually a void mirror in which case they would be called something else but still register as the paladin class.

You're stretching it a bit too much.

Highborne and High elf are different names. Doesn't matter if it is the same word in two different languages, Highborne is Quel'dorei in Darnassian, and high elf is Quel'dorei in Thalassian. There is a connection, but a night elven Highborne is clearly different from a high elf, they are different ethnicities now, live in different societies, have different religions despite their arcane focus, they even have different habits - one is nocturnal the other diurnal, they live in different societies, and the age gap is enormous..one comes from a different time of the elves, the other comes from a different kingdom of the elves.

They have a heritage connection as high elves are descendants of a very famous group of Highborne called the Sunstrider Highborne - the only palace Highborne in Zin'Azshari to rebel against the queen and join the resistance under Tyrande's leadership, and later expelled for refusing to keep the restrictions the elves and dragons had agreed on the use of the arcane in order to prevent the Legion from returning. You know the rest.

They would inevtiably be changed, and their elvish name as well, like happened with the Nightborne, Void elves and Blood elves, who are really just a little bit of an altered former elf race.

True while in a sense you can have or pay high elf and Highborne through customisations for both night elves and void/blood elves - I wouldn't be surprised if they became a distinct faction themselves when blizzard finally properly reads the room and decides it is advantageous to promote high elves. I know some think it is superfluous at this point since they did void elves - but really they haven't properly delved into void elves yet, and the lore is very thin, they can still easily separate the two as much as consolidate them. Which will they choose? I think the fans would determine that.. it is why people like Tanaria re so hellbent on attacking even a hint or suggestion that might lead to more high elf involvement on forums they patrol diligently for comments on elves in the hope of manipulating opinion and influencing fans, and hopefully controlling what the developers see. Waste of time if you ask me.

To be honest, introducing them separately would undermine the customizations they've been working so hard on.

Off course, there can be variations of the same race group - that's why we got allied races, and that variation started long before allied races too. in the main race group, are not worgen and forsaken a variation of human and blood elf a variation of night elf? some wouldsay GNomes are a variation of dwarves to - although I wouldn't go that far, cousins, yes.

You're once again stretching it. First of all, Blood elves and Night elves aren't allied races and are still separate.
Second of all, saying Undead are a variation of Humans or that Blood elves are of Night elves is taking it a bit too far.

[Efcharisto]

I do think there is quite possibly a true genetic change that has occurred between a night elf and a high/blood elf. The physiological change is just to extreme for there not to be. Almost like comparing a zebra and a horse...

[Varodoc]

The time is coming, soon 10.0 will be announced and we'll finally see if the Ren'dorei will indeed replace Stormwind as the new main force of the Alliance, as I have been predicting. If the expansion features Quel'Thalas in a major way, this is guaranteed. If it doesn't, it is still likely, since the Ren'dorei know how to resist the whispers that broke the greatest dragons.

[Efcharisto]

The time is coming, soon 10.0 will be announced and we'll finally see if the Ren'dorei will indeed replace Stormwind as the new main force of the Alliance, as I have been predicting. If the expansion features Quel'Thalas in a major way, this is guaranteed. If it doesn't, it is still likely, since the Ren'dorei know how to resist the whispers that broke the greatest dragons.

didn't they... technically just break ONE of the greatest dragons tho? Like I know that's what the void elves' description is but.... how many great dragons has the whispers of the void actually broken? Also technically aren't we sorta comparing random, aimless whispers of the void to the directed whispers of old gods?

Idk. It's almost like Blizzard made the description of the Void Elves really overblown or something.

Did I mention I hate Void Elves?

[Schwert]

didn't they... technically just break ONE of the greatest dragons tho? Like I know that's what the void elves' description is but.... how many great dragons has the whispers of the void actually broken? Also technically aren't we sorta comparing random, aimless whispers of the void to the directed whispers of old gods?

Idk. It's almost like Blizzard made the description of the Void Elves really overblown or something.

Did I mention I hate Void Elves?

They broke an entire flight. So we're talking hundreds, potentially thousands, of "great dragons".
That's not overblown. It changed the course of history.

Or are we going to go nitpick and whine about the other race descriptions that also make them seem fancy just because I hate them?

[Varodoc]

didn't they... technically just break ONE of the greatest dragons tho? Like I know that's what the void elves' description is but.... how many great dragons has the whispers of the void actually broken? Also technically aren't we sorta comparing random, aimless whispers of the void to the directed whispers of old gods?

Idk. It's almost like Blizzard made the description of the Void Elves really overblown or something.

Did I mention I hate Void Elves?

You also forgot Nozdormu, who is doomed to turn into Murozond due to the Old God's machinations (stated on Dungeon Journal). The entire Black Dragonflight was also enslaved by N'Zoth and several dragonflights were created purely to serve as minions for the Old Gods (Twilight Dragonflight, Void Dragonflight, Chromatic Dragonflight, Infinite Dragonflight, Nightmare Dragonflight etc.).

Also, it is the Void Lords themselves who are whispering to Alleria. This is confirmed by Lor'themar when he meets Alleria:

Lor'themar Theron says: You doubt my words, yet how can we trust your own? Do you deny that the lords of the Void whisper to you? Did you not surrender yourself to the shadows on Argus?

So, while Deathwing and Nozdormu will be broken by the whispers of the Old Gods, Alleria was able to resist the whispers of the VOID LRODS themselves.

Don't worry though, I can tell that you hate the Void elves because you are downplaying their accomplishments. You're acting like Alleria isn't special and unique when she literally resisted the whispers of the Old Gods' creators (while Deathwing and Nozdormu fall prey to the whispers of the mere Old Gods).

[Schwert]

It's always interesting watching people who enjoy races that are given special treatment in the story get mad that another race got special treatment.

Truly fascinating.

God forbid multiple races get powerful aspects to them, especially on Alliance, and especially in a way that's not connected to the Light.

[Mace]

How so? Blood elves being present in Dalaran isn't the same as saying blood elves should conquer Dalaran. And the fact is, the guy I was replying to doesn't have a leg to stand on. He thinks void elves should be allowed in Silvermoon simply because blood elves are allowed in Dalaran, when the reality is there ARE High Elves in Silvermoon, (or at least at the Sunwell) and Dalaran has historically had Blood elves and Silvermoon reps in general in it.

Unless you are saying the guy who I was replying to had that energy. Then I suppose that makes sense.



I personally would say no until proven otherwise. With a small caveat.

While you are right, the blood elves clearly were displayed to still love nature like their High Elven brethren, though likely more willing to sacrifice nature for their own needs and survival than I suspect the High Elves would be,

I suspect the night elven druids would have made the same call, if they hadn't sacrificed the treats they would have spread the defiled dreadscar and all the land would have been lost,

We see Malfurion often ask of nature to sacrifice itself to save the land in danger - it's what most of his druidic actions are in the novels, though h

t he Void Elves probably are even more "hardened" in that regard than blood elves given the fact they have fully embraced such a destructive force like the Void. This is unlike the Blood elves who (despite the obvious implications of both official Blizzard concept art, early fan art and even some vague in game allusions all originally being to the contrary) did not fully embrace even the most basic fel magic and corrupt arcane magic throughout their society (this likely part of that High Elfication you mentioned prick Metzen and co doing).

The impression I got from the void elves wasnt more hardened...it was more curious and more exploratory, like a scholar than an angry or hardened vengeful veteran Illidari. Their is a strong resolve to protect the world from the void by learning from it and uapplying it to enhance all operations and fields of study.

But while nature isnt specifically mentioned, I suspect it would be one of the areas of study, so to would the elements by the lore description and presentation of the race, it should only be a matter of time before we see them working closely with both the elements and nature presumably leading to the druid and shaman class

Does Alleria's story show that Void Elves besides Alleria have access to the holy light? Because Alleria is pretty exceptional. One can not compare most Velves to her.

Algeria's story shows all of us in the great beyond have access to both void and light, they reveal this knowledge in it. Presu,manly it is why priests can cast both holy and void spells, even if they specialise in one

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You're stretching it a bit too much.



They would inevtiably be changed, and their elvish name as well, like happened with the Nightborne, Void elves and Blood elves, who are really just a little bit of an altered former elf race.



To be honest, introducing them separately would undermine the customizations they've been working so hard on.



You're once again stretching it. First of all, Blood elves and Night elves aren't allied races and are still separate.
Second of all, saying Undead are a variation of Humans or that Blood elves are of Night elves is taking it a bit too far.

I think it is the reality. The way blizzard arranged them in character creation and styled them is what makes them look like they are a separate species, but that isnt the lore...its just an in game stylisation to create distinctive silhouettes and appearance for each race. Which I like that they did and prefer it that way, doesnt make them a separate species, just a different ethnicity.

Before they were playable in TBC, thalassians and night elves shared the same model.
In Wc3 they also use the same model Differences are only size with other typical ethnicity variations like skin, eye, hairr colours and ear inclination angles.

Undead a literally humans in an undead state, it's not a different race, just a different side of life.

Worgen are literally humans that can transform into wolves.

Kul'tiran are humans, with a bit more vrykul in their bloodline, but still human.

Nightborne are night elves with very minor alterations due to the nightwell, they are like the difference between West Africans and east Africans.. one is darker than the other, one is skinnier than the other, one has narrow noses, the other broader ones but on average swap nose for ears for the elves.

Void elves are a minor variation of blood elves, always have been, even if they used a different skinnier model or the initial ripped model they swapped out.

This is what allied races are and some main races..

[Varodoc]

It's always interesting watching people who enjoy races that are given special treatment in the story get mad that another race got special treatment.

Truly fascinating.

God forbid multiple races get powerful aspects to them, especially on Alliance, and especially in a way that's not connected to the Light.

It's the duplicity of man.

The same people who complain that the Alliance is too Goody Goody two shoes lawful stupid are the same people who will tell you that Void elves are the worst race ever and shouldn't exist. Even though they are literally the most special and unique Alliance race.

[Mace]

It's the duplicity of man.

The same people who complain that the Alliance is too Goody Goody two shoes lawful stupid are the same people who will tell you that Void elves are the worst race ever and shouldn't exist. Even though they are literally the most special and unique Alliance race.

They are also the same people who play the most alliance race that was swapped to the horde - I.e. blood elves.

[Varodoc]

They are also the same people who play the most alliance race that was swapped to the horde - I.e. blood elves.

And who say nonsense like "Sylvanas is the best fantasy character ever, I have loved her since I was a kid and wanted to grow up and be strong like her".

[username993720]

I think it is the reality. The way blizzard arranged them in character creation and styled them is what makes them look like they are a separate species, but that isnt the lore...its just an in game stylisation to create distinctive silhouettes and appearance for each race. Which I like that they did and prefer it that way, doesnt make them a separate species, just a different ethnicity.

Before they were playable in TBC, thalassians and night elves shared the same model.
In Wc3 they also use the same model Differences are only size with other typical ethnicity variations like skin, eye, hairr colours and ear inclination angles.

Undead a literally humans in an undead state, it's not a different race, just a different side of life.

Worgen are literally humans that can transform into wolves.

Nightborne are night elves with very minor alterations due to the nightwell, they are like the difference between West Africans and east Africans.. one is darker than the other, one is skinnier than the other, one has narrow noses, the other broader ones but on average swap nose for ears for the elves.

Void elves are a minor variation of blood elves, always have been, even if they used a different skinnier model or the initial ripped model they swapped out.

This is what allied races are and some main races..

Sure. I'm not going to argue with you about semantics.

Kul'tiran are humans, with a bit more vrykul in their bloodline, but still human.

What? Kul Tirans have no Vrykul blood. They are former Gilneans. Drust are the former Vrykul.

[Alanar]

cool story bro

can alliance get white skinned, blonde haired, blue eyed elves that dont turn into a purple lava lamp every 10 seconds in combat?

No.
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[Mace]

Sure. I'm not going to argue with you about semantics.



What? Kul Tirans have no Vrykul blood. They are former Gilneans. Drust are the former Vrykul.

Ever wondered why they were larger?