Chinese official warns against creeping Islamisation

[Player Twelve]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKCN1GM0CV

BEIJING (Reuters) - Chinese Muslims need to guard against creeping Islamisation, including mosques that copy foreign styles, and strive to practice their faith in a more Chinese way, a senior Chinese Islamic official said on Saturday.

China is home to roughly 20 million Muslims, many living in the western part of the country, from the Uighurs of Xinjiang who speak a Turkic language to the largely sinified Hui people.

While China officially guarantees freedom of religion, it has in recent years tightened controls in heavily Muslim areas, nervous about the possibility of radicalisation and violence.

Speaking to the largely ceremonial advisory body to China’s parliament, Yang Faming, head of the government-linked China Islamic Association, said Islam had a long and glorious history in the country.

But Yang warned of problems he said had become apparent in recent years which could not be overlooked, according to a copy of his speech carried by the official Xinhua news agency.

“For example, some mosques’ construction style blindly imitates foreign models. In some areas the concept of halal has become common, and religion interferes in secular life,” he said.

“Some people set great store on religious rules and much less on national law, only knowing what it is to be a believer and not what it is to be a citizen,” Yang added. “We must certainly remain on high alert.”

Islam in China must uphold the successful experience of becoming more Chinese, be guided by core socialist values and oppose radicalisation, he said.

Religious practices, culture and the architecture of religious buildings must be Chinese in nature and style, Yang added.

Parliament and its advisory body are holding their annual session.

China has blamed a series of attacks in recent years in Xinjiang, which sits on the borders of Central Asia and Pakistan, on Islamist militants. Rights groups say the unrest is more a reaction to Chinese controls on the religious and cultural rights of the Uighurs who live there.

China denies accusations of repression in Xinjiang.

China’s image among the wider Muslim community around the world is important to Beijing as it pushes President Xi Jinping’s “Belt and Road” initiative to invest billions of dollars building infrastructure linking Asia, Europe and Africa.

[Garnier Fructis]

China's not wrong about this, but they're not exactly helping it either.

[Khaza-R]

Not really repression.

Salafist influence from Saudi Arabia and the gulf states has been a cancer on the Levant and North Africa

[Uncle]

I though islam was forbidden in China.

[endersblade]

I'm sure I'm going to be infracted for this, but how much more does the world need to take before we realize that Islam, Muslims in particular, are a blight on society?

Now, I've been to Iraq, I've been among the people there, and in their own territories, under their own laws, they were some of the nicest, most welcome people I have ever met. They outed their neighbors as terrorists, they did everything they could to help us get the bad people out of their society. They just wanted to live in peace and be done with Saddam and all the shit that came with it. They also wanted US gone, for all sorts of reasons, and I don't fault them for that.

Unfortunately they don't translate well outside of the middle east. Their ways are backwards and archaic by societal comparison and they conflict with anywhere they go. They are on the news regularly in just about every major country, they ruin entire areas of countries they move to. Now even CHINA of all places has had enough of their shit. They breed like rabbits and refuse to follow modern standards because of their religious teachings. They rape and abuse children because 'they deserve it' or because it's acceptable where they come from. They completely trash the areas they have been allowed to immigrate (emigrate?) to.

I'm not saying we need to go on Crusade and start exterminating an entire religious sect, but for fuck's sake, seriously, SOMETHING needs to be done. Everyone seems content to just let it happen and then bitch about it when it comes on the news, but nobody wants to do anything about it. Now it looks like China is going to take the first steps, and I get the feeling it isn't going to end well if things escalate.

infracted - forbidden topics

[ManiaCCC]

I'm sure I'm going to be infracted for this, but how much more does the world need to take before we realize that Islam, Muslims in particular, are a blight on society?

Now, I've been to Iraq, I've been among the people there, and in their own territories, under their own laws, they were some of the nicest, most welcome people I have ever met. They outed their neighbors as terrorists, they did everything they could to help us get the bad people out of their society. They just wanted to live in peace and be done with Saddam and all the shit that came with it. They also wanted US gone, for all sorts of reasons, and I don't fault them for that.

Unfortunately they don't translate well outside of the middle east. Their ways are backwards and archaic by societal comparison and they conflict with anywhere they go. They are on the news regularly in just about every major country, they ruin entire areas of countries they move to. Now even CHINA of all places has had enough of their shit. They breed like rabbits and refuse to follow modern standards because of their religious teachings. They rape and abuse children because 'they deserve it' or because it's acceptable where they come from. They completely trash the areas they have been allowed to immigrate (emigrate?) to.

I'm not saying we need to go on Crusade and start exterminating an entire religious sect, but for fuck's sake, seriously, SOMETHING needs to be done. Everyone seems content to just let it happen and then bitch about it when it comes on the news, but nobody wants to do anything about it. Now it looks like China is going to take the first steps, and I get the feeling it isn't going to end well if things escalate.

Doing what exactly?

[Amerrol]

I'm sure I'm going to be infracted for this, but how much more does the world need to take before we realize that Islam, Muslims in particular, are a blight on society?

Now, I've been to Iraq, I've been among the people there, and in their own territories, under their own laws, they were some of the nicest, most welcome people I have ever met. They outed their neighbors as terrorists, they did everything they could to help us get the bad people out of their society. They just wanted to live in peace and be done with Saddam and all the shit that came with it. They also wanted US gone, for all sorts of reasons, and I don't fault them for that.

Unfortunately they don't translate well outside of the middle east. Their ways are backwards and archaic by societal comparison and they conflict with anywhere they go. They are on the news regularly in just about every major country, they ruin entire areas of countries they move to. Now even CHINA of all places has had enough of their shit. They breed like rabbits and refuse to follow modern standards because of their religious teachings. They rape and abuse children because 'they deserve it' or because it's acceptable where they come from. They completely trash the areas they have been allowed to immigrate (emigrate?) to.

I'm not saying we need to go on Crusade and start exterminating an entire religious sect, but for fuck's sake, seriously, SOMETHING needs to be done. Everyone seems content to just let it happen and then bitch about it when it comes on the news, but nobody wants to do anything about it. Now it looks like China is going to take the first steps, and I get the feeling it isn't going to end well if things escalate.

Because every time someone says what you say, they get called every sort of -ism under the sun, and get dismissed for hate speech by radical SJWs and the corrupt politicians pushing globalism for their corporate overlords. It's Western societies "white guilt" which is the problem, and until that changes (which it slowly is thankfully) you'll keep seeing these backwards cultures invading more civilized places.

For all it's faults (and there are many of them), the Chinese government sees the value in keep the Chinese, well, Chinese.

[ManiaCCC]

Because every time someone says what you say, they get called every sort of -ism under the sun, and get dismissed for hate speech by radical SJWs and the corrupt politicians pushing globalism for their corporate overlords. It's Western societies "white guilt" which is the problem, and until that changes (which it slowly is thankfully) you'll keep seeing these backwards cultures invading more civilized places.

Well, issue is more complex. And if this is all you see as counter-arguments, it is pretty clear, you are biased.

While there are no direct studies, how muslims are affecting societies in different region of planets, there are quite a lot of numbers to work with and honestly.. whatever you see on one or other side of that propaganda, is ALWAYS blown out of proportion. Even post you quoted started in exactly same way - "Islam, Muslims in particular, are a blight on society?" - this is honestly idiotic at least.

It doesn't mean terrorists from islamic groups are not real threat. They are, also there is quite a lot of stacking evidence, they are indeed funneled to some countries through refuges routes, but generalizing is not helping anything.

As long as "racists" groups will clash with "SJW" groups, blaming each other for many different things, finding the real solution wont be easy.

Now decide for yourself. You want be part of the problem or solution? If you are not sure how to react on this issue, at least don't be a dick.

[ranzino]

China's not wrong about this, but they're not exactly helping it either.

religious freedom is not a free ticket; and to say it blunt: islam is not very compatible with other lifestyles.
china may have to restrict islam to simple tenets: pray 5 times per day, avoid pork and have a nice trip to mecca.

[Hargema]

Any muslim radicalization must be eradicated.
I am muslim and i insist on keeping my personal interpretation on the religion. I do keep what's moral, practice it, and discard all the rest that doesn't fit with modern standards. I say this because i encountered cases where some radical people approached me and offered to teach me my religion and every time i told them to fuck off.
This radicalization was implemented by the US, it began with Ben Laden and to this day it remains with ISIS who are nothing but American pawns created to legitimately and indirectly destabilize a country, first the USSR and later the middle east to exploit its resources and deploy its military.
Afghanistan was all good, Syria was all good, Iraq was all good, North Africa was all good, but the shit democracy had to happen.

Chinese muslims are one of the kindest people i know, and the less corrupt. They know how to practice their religion without offending anyone and you can see their good manners anywhere you walk in their markets and towns, i just hope that god keeps radicals away from them because it is enough for just a few to mess it all up for the people of that faith.
The whole matter must be approached with caution, and it is enough to practice the law above any religion. You simply forget the religion and treat anyone as a human being, if he's a dirty, backward, radical piece of shit who doesn't integrate with a certain society and its values, then you respond to that however you like.

[Garnier Fructis]

religious freedom is not a free ticket; and to say it blunt: islam is not very compatible with other lifestyles.
china may have to restrict islam to simple tenets: pray 5 times per day, avoid pork and have a nice trip to mecca.

I feel like you're not actually talking to me here.

[Gaidax]

I have confidence that China can handle any issues that may arise properly as it should be. They are not your run off the mill nanny state and they could not care less about some butthurt opinions in the topic.

[Super Kami Dende]

It's not a bad stance to take, their Faith legitimately encourages them to spread everywhere and change the new areas to Islam.

It's why whilst most Western Countries and such have low Birthrates some only around 1.2, Muslims in the Area still have 5-6+. Basically They move to an Area, out populate the current people, instill their Laws and move on. You can see it in places like Iran, Chechnya and other Countries that have experienced Islamic Revolutions in recent history.

A lot of the reason Islam is not compatible with many different Countries and their way of lives is because they actively fight against it whilst trying to make everything compatible to them.

[Doctor Amadeus]

I have confidence that China can handle any issues that may arise properly as it should be. They are not your run off the mill nanny state and they could not care less about some butthurt opinions in the topic.

China is communist, they are by definition a communist state, Communist state means a government that is in total control of the safety of every the citizenry and as such make ALL the decisions on their behalf.

[Garnier Fructis]

China is communist, they are by definition a communist state, Communist state means a government that is in total control of the safety of every the citizenry and as such make ALL the decisions on their behalf.

Yeah, that was a mystifying post. China is like the nanniest of states.

[Zelk]

China is communist, they are by definition a communist state, Communist state means a government that is in total control of the safety of every the citizenry and as such make ALL the decisions on their behalf.

Please read up on communism

[Doctor Amadeus]

Yeah, that was a mystifying post. China is like the nanniest of states.

Right except when they are hating right people, like Putin Mr KGB through and through communist.

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Please read up on communism

I am well aware of what communism is, and it's much closer to a nanny state than we are.

[Rexosaurus]

ISIS who are nothing but American pawns created to legitimately and indirectly destabilize a country, first the USSR and later the middle east to exploit its resources and deploy its military.

Uh naaaaah. If you want to argue that it came about from the Iraq war then go for it, I got no beef with that. America isn't trying to wield ISIS at anyone though.

I agree that people shouldn't equate radicalized assholes that practice Islam to everyone else that practices it though.

[ohwell]

Many european countries try to take a stance against extremist priesthood of any denomination.

Not really any. Pretty much just Christianity just like the US. Actually also more specifically a certain color of them as well. Kind of how like all the media made tons of articles mocking Pence for saying he talks to god, but then everyone was all about Oprah saying that she talked to god about running for office and was sure he would tell her when the time was right if at all.

[Kaleredar]

I'm sure I'm going to be infracted for this, but how much more does the world need to take before we realize that Islam, Muslims in particular, are a blight on society?

Now, I've been to Iraq, I've been among the people there, and in their own territories, under their own laws, they were some of the nicest, most welcome people I have ever met. They outed their neighbors as terrorists, they did everything they could to help us get the bad people out of their society. They just wanted to live in peace and be done with Saddam and all the shit that came with it. They also wanted US gone, for all sorts of reasons, and I don't fault them for that.

Unfortunately they don't translate well outside of the middle east. Their ways are backwards and archaic by societal comparison and they conflict with anywhere they go. They are on the news regularly in just about every major country, they ruin entire areas of countries they move to. Now even CHINA of all places has had enough of their shit. They breed like rabbits and refuse to follow modern standards because of their religious teachings. They rape and abuse children because 'they deserve it' or because it's acceptable where they come from. They completely trash the areas they have been allowed to immigrate (emigrate?) to.

I'm not saying we need to go on Crusade and start exterminating an entire religious sect, but for fuck's sake, seriously, SOMETHING needs to be done. Everyone seems content to just let it happen and then bitch about it when it comes on the news, but nobody wants to do anything about it. Now it looks like China is going to take the first steps, and I get the feeling it isn't going to end well if things escalate.

You seem to hold an odd sentiment, seeing as the population of Muslims living in the US are by and far completely peaceful.

Why can't other countries accomplish that? Who knows.