Grom buffed in Warcraft Chronicles 3

[Darth-Piekus]

It's a little pointless to do comparisons since the duel happened in the middle of the battle and we have no idea in what situation each character was. Cenarius could already been fatiqued or low on mana as he was battling for a long time. He could also have underestimated Grom since he was winning the battle before the Orcs drank the Demon Blood. In a normal situation one vs one without armies and each character knows of the other I believe Cenarius has way more power and magic is a faktor that Grom cannot overcome.

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Guys, Grom was freed from the demon control before he could take on Mannoroth, but he still had the demonblood. Remember? Killing Mannoroth was what cleansed him... with all the other orcs that had Mannoroth's blood still in them. So don't take that from him by saying he was 'clean' before killing Mannoroth. ^^

Thing is, demonblood not completely fresh and raging in their system is a weaker buff than the fresh demonblood. We see this in several quests throughout WoW. So while he wasn't completely cleansed while killing Mannoroth, he still had to rely more on his own skill than the power from the demonblood.
Plus, in WoD he one shot him without it.
Grom had lots of flaws, but he was one hell of a warrior.

[Darth-Piekus]

I agree he was one hell of a warrior and that is a fact but Mannoroth didn't take him seriously.

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I agree he was one hell of a warrior and that is a fact but Mannoroth didn't take him seriously.

That's right and while reading this thread I had one more thought. All of those high and mighty people, be it 'good' or 'bad' guys never take anything seriously unless it has some serious magic power. And by 'serious' I mean 'Azshara with the Nightwell at her back'-levels. It's a common theme, we already abused sometimes, last and very important time we saw it being used in the power-up for the Vindicaar, because Kil'jaeden and Archimonde found the Seal weak.

It made me think, that may be one argument for 'only warrior' guys to regularly win against magically powerful foes. I mean, they'd be protected against virtually anything that a mage or sorcerer can bring against them and you'd have to be either very powerful or very cunning to overcome their stuff. But as they all seem to think a single mortal with an axe can't harm them... why not just go there and cleave them in half? Or put a large dagger into their throat? You'd still have to be a great warrior, because they are usually resilient or just... big and could simply step on you, if you're not an elite warrior. But it kind of heightens a warrior's chances compared to a mage's.

[brbshower]

a warrior fighting a vindicator. there's probably a difference. we don't know if vindicators are more combat trained than human paladins are. he was apparently good enough to land a hit on grom, considering he completely disarmed him.

imo, it's stupid if that's the case. but honestly, idk. i kinda like the idea of cenarius and the wild gods being more on par with loa. we kill a loa 1v1 in bfa. like, not just a loa either, it's been empowered by blood magic shit.

Vindicator is the same thing as Paladin. Just a different name for it from a different race. Educateyoself.com

[derpkitteh]

Vindicator is the same thing as Paladin. Just a different name for it from a different race. Educateyoself.com

vindicator is not exactly the same as a paladin. there's cultural differences and different practices that just naturally happen. from equipment to abilities, there's differences here and there.

nobundo was just a comfortable dual-wielding as not, maladaar spoke with the spirits of their people. vindicators, in general, seem to very rarely take on healing roles like paladins do(which, imo, is stupid for a paladin. they should be dps/tank only imo) and do more combat roles.

[Syegfryed]

This is Durotan, many years before the Demons even planned to turn the Orcs.

Red eyes are the Orcs' blood fury, not the Demon blood curse. Demon blood made their skin change to green and gave them greater strength. Drinking it again made their skin change to red and gave them even greater strength.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Blood_Fury
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7VT7NG7e38#t=4m00s

thank you to clarify before me

now, with WoD, they retconed a bit more the effects of the demon blood, they didn't give to the orcs more strength, only make then bound to the legion and make the blood fury be Active all the time, thats why they become so bloodthirsty savages

only the second drink, who turn they read gave then strengths

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thank you to clarify before me

now, with WoD, they retconed a bit more the effects of the demon blood, they didn't give to the orcs more strength, only make then bound to the legion and make the blood fury be Active all the time, thats why they become so bloodthirsty savages

only the second drink, who turn they read gave then strengths

Lethargy of the Orcs - Ingame book

Months passed, and more orc prisoners were rounded up and placed within the internment camps. As the camps began to overflow, the Alliance was forced to construct new camps in the plains south of the Alterac Mountains. To properly maintain and supply the growing number of camps, King Terenas levied a new tax on the Alliance nations. This tax, along with increased political tensions over border disputes, created widespread unrest. It seemed that the fragile pact that had forged the human nations together in their darkest hour would break at any given moment.

Amidst the political turmoil, many of the camp wardens began to notice an unsettling change come over their orc captives. The orcs' efforts to escape from the camps or even fight amongst themselves had greatly decreased in frequency over time. The orcs were becoming increasingly aloof and lethargic. Though it was difficult to believe, the orcs - once held as the most aggressive race ever seen on Azeroth - had completely lost their will to fight. The strange lethargy confounded the Alliance leaders and continued to take its toll on the rapidly weakening orcs.

Some speculated that some strange disease, contractible only by orcs, brought about the baffling lethargy. But Archmage Antonidas of Dalaran posed a different hypothesis. Researching what little he could find of orcish history, Antonidas learned that the orcs had been under the crippling influence of demonic power for generations. He speculated that the orcs had been corrupted by these powers even before their first invasion of Azeroth. Clearly, demons had spiked the orcs' blood, and in turn the brutes had been granted unnaturally heightened strength, endurance, and aggression.

Antonidas theorized that the orcs' communal lethargy was not actually a disease, but a consequence of racial withdrawal from the volatile warlock magics that had made them fearsome, bloodlusted warriors. Though the symptoms were clear, Antonidas was unable to find a cure for the orcs' present condition. Then too, many of his fellow mages, as well as a few notable Alliance leaders, argued that finding a cure for the orcs would be an imprudent venture. Left to ponder the orcs' mysterious condition, Antonidas' conclusion was that the orcs' cure would have to be a spiritual one.

[Syegfryed]

Lethargy of the Orcs - Ingame book

the brutes had been granted unnaturally heightened strength, endurance, and aggression.

due tot he bloodfury active all the time, that why the lethargy was so strong

(btw this is from chronicles 3 or old books?)

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due tot he bloodfury active all the time, that why the lethargy was so strong

(btw this is from chronicles 3 or old books?)

It's literally a book you can access ingame. It's also specifically talking about what the demonic blood gave them. Which is strength, endurance and enhanced aggression.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

just point that Grom was not rly a blademaster, the ingame hero was just gameply, but he was good regardless

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in terms of warriors, pure strength and individual ability orcs are just beasts, and we have lot of exemples of that, Grom was a damn monster even for orcs standards

reminds me of this, a cut scene that really should have been in the warcraft movie.

[Syegfryed]

It's literally a book you can access ingame. It's also specifically talking about what the demonic blood gave them. Which is strength, endurance and enhanced aggression.

and like i said it was retconned with WoD and so on, the blood just make then bound to the Legion, didn't gave then more strength and power that they already had, think it is in chronicles 2 they talked about.

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and like i said it was retconned with WoD and so on, the blood just make then bound to the Legion, didn't gave then more strength and power that they already had, think it is in chronicles 2 they talked about.

And where in WoD does it state any different? Where is the retcon?

[Syegfryed]

And where in WoD does it state any different? Where is the retcon?

cause they had bloodfury all along, and were strong and powerful without the blood

before they even said the orcs gained muscular boost with the blood, but WoD show they were ripped without it

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cause they didn't drink the blood and had bloodfury all along, and were strong and powerful without the blood

before they even said the orcs gained muscular boost with the blood, but WoD show they were ripped without it

1. Bloodfury and demonic enhancement are separate things.
2. No one said they were weak or skinny before drinking the blood. It's a magical/supernatural strength.

[Syegfryed]

1. Bloodfury and demonic enhancement are separate things.

no shit son

this was retconned a long time ago, before the bloodfury was due to the demon blood

2. No one said they were weak or skinny before drinking the blood. It's a magical/supernatural strength.

i didn't said they were skinny, i said that before the blood give to then muscular boost, and more strength and power

this was before, now the blood merely bound then to the Legion and made the bloodfury be active 24/7

The blood of Mannoroth, the vile fluid that ran through the veins of the Destructor, was used to corrupt the orcish race and bind them to the will of Kil'jaeden

and those are the effects confirmed:

The demon blood that most of the orcs imbibed back on Draenor increased their natural bloodlust a hundredfold. With their systems permeated with demonic blood, the orcs burned with a lust for killing that would not be sated even if they slew every last draenei on Draenor and would never be sated until death stiffened their corpses

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no shit son

this was retconned a long time ago, before the bloodfury was due tot he demon blood



i didn't said they were skinny, i said that before the blood give to then muscular boost, and more strength and power

this was before, now the blood merely bound then to the Legion and made the bloodfury be active 24/7

1. 'were strong and powerful before the blood', yes, because of the Blood fury.
2. Where did it say their muscles literally grew? And even if it did, they wouldn't bother changing the models JUST for that, just look at the Mag'Har in TBC WAAAAAY before WoD or chronicles came out.

You are using flawed logic to back up your argument.

[Friendlyimmolation]

The orcs bulked up further, growing visibilly after drinking the blood in rise of the Horde

[Syegfryed]

1. 'were strong and powerful before the blood', yes, because of the Blood fury.

what? this don't make sense on what what i said

2. Where did it say their muscles literally grew? And even if it did, they wouldn't bother changing the models JUST for that, just look at the Mag'Har in TBC WAAAAAY before WoD or chronicles came out.

The effects as well as side effects are immediate, and the symptoms that manifest from blood consumption are green skin, glowing red eyes and a considerable increase in size.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Blood-curse
here, all those drastic effects were retconed wit WoD and chronicles 2



the blood only bound then to Legion and make then bloodthirsty warmongers with bloodfury Active all the time

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what? this don't make sense on what what i said



https://wow.gamepedia.com/Blood-curse
here, all those drastic effects were retconed wit WoD and chronicles 2



the blood only bound then to Legion and make then bloodthirsty warmongers with bloodfury Active all the time

2. Where did it say their muscles literally grew? And even if it did, they wouldn't bother changing the models JUST for that, just look at the Mag'Har in TBC WAAAAAY before WoD or chronicles came out.