Why Blizzard shits on PvP so much?

[Nuba]

Something I have always asked myself is why Blizzard seems to not give a single care about PvP.
From lack of support, to lack of incentive for players to participate in Arena PvP - from ultra low honor gains to shit rewards, WoW devs and designers just seem to be completely hateful of the more "competitive" PvP aspect of the game.
We know tomorrow an entire new PvP season is begining, with different (higher) ilvl for gear with also an Arena Bonus week and a Brawl, but somehow they don't even tease it, or talk about the ilvl for the comming season's gear or anything regarding it. If it were anything else other than this they'd be talking about it, building up a hype and doing similar things, but for PvP seasons they just don't want to show/do anything.
Blizzard's staff basically pushed PvP to a dark corner and left it there, apparently not even trying to incentive other players into doing it: no "guys, a new season is begining, get ready!" or anything similar, its just a silence that bugs the shit out of me.
Why is this? Do their silence acknowledges that they made a terrible mistake with PvP in Legion and simply want to hide it from people or...?

[ilik2345]

Not sure i'd of gone with this tittle, but your general sentiment of not understanding why blizzard stopped talking about new pvp seasons beyond "current season ending in 2 weeks" every 6 or so months i agree with, its just weird.

Things they could tell us but don't :-

- What the new ilvl of the new season gear will be?
- If seething will be added to rated bg rotation?
- Are we getting four more prestige levels? If so what are the rewards?

[ilik2345]

Well we now have the answers :-

- What the new ilvl of the new season gear will be? - The same as S6
- If seething will be added to rated bg rotation? - Nope
- Are we getting four more prestige levels? If so what are the rewards? - Nope

[MastersOfSpace]

people in wow care less for pvp than in the past. The new audience wow brings in are more interested in pve than pvp.

[Caolela]

The biggest reason is: Overwatch.

They've gotten a lot of former WoW PvPers to buy Overwatch for their PvP fix. Since OW came out, Blizz doesn't give 2 shits about WoW PvP. They haven't even hired a replacement for Holunky yet and it's been many months.

[Deleted]

WoW's PvP is not a focus for Blizzard, there isn't even a lead PvP designer anymore.

I think they have given up on it, but then again it never was ment as more than a side-game for raiders.

[Caolela]

... but then again it never was ment as more than a side-game for raiders.

Quit peddling the same old bullshit meme that you've glommed onto. WoW PvP has been popular, since something like 45% of players have PvP achieves or had maxed CQ back before Blizz stopped reporting numbers and before they really shit on the format with Legion.

[Deleted]

Quit peddling the same old bullshit meme that you've glommed onto. WoW PvP has been popular, since something like 45% of players have PvP achieves or had maxed CQ back before Blizz stopped reporting numbers and before they really shit on the format with Legion.

It can be a side game for raiders and still be popular. They simply didn't put in the extra effort as much beyond making it playable.

[Nuba]

It can be a side game for raiders and still be popular. They simply didn't put in the extra effort as much beyond making it playable.

saying pvp is a side game for raiders is so wrong, its probably the dumbest thing you can say in this thread.
theyre both complete different side-games in an MMORPG, and raiding has never prepared a player for pvping while pvping can indeed prepare a player for raiding, but this isn't even the subject of the thread.
if your mental capacity is low enough that you can't even contribute to the thread, just keep yourself from posting on it

[Kazuchika]

It can be a side game for raiders and still be popular. They simply didn't put in the extra effort as much beyond making it playable.

It was only a side game for raiders when gear actually mattered and mythic geared raiders could recreate vanilla PvP making new players a grease stain on the floor with 1 spell. Now even they don't care about PvP

[lolpve]

The Blizzard team itself doesnt have any serious pvpers in it whereas in the past arena pvp was very important to the devs. They cater to "their own" which means hardcore raiders, at the expense of everyone else, which is why the subscriber numbers are abysmal. Raiding was never particularly popular and generally was secondary to pvp during the peak years of WoW. What we have now are the remnants of the playerbase that takes raiding seriously and a few casuals who try LFR then unsubscribe.

[grimiz]

I remember way back when getting Grand Marshall was a big deal. PvP and battlegrounds were fun back then.

[FelPlague]

none of us know, we dont work for blizz
"Shits on pvp by adding new pvp modes like brawl, new battlegrounds, updated old arenas like blades edge and nagrand, honor talents, pvp custom artifact skins, the upcoming pvp mode for island adventures, and every 8 months gives pvpers 12 custom sets, and a custom mount that them and only them can ever get"

but yeah, shitting on pvp, those pvpers im so sorry they get 12 unique sets, and a unique mount each 8 months... I am so sorry for them.

[Toppy]

none of us know, we dont work for blizz
"Shits on pvp by adding new pvp modes like brawl, new battlegrounds, updated old arenas like blades edge and nagrand, honor talents, pvp custom artifact skins, the upcoming pvp mode for island adventures, and every 8 months gives pvpers 12 custom sets, and a custom mount that them and only them can ever get"

but yeah, shitting on pvp, those pvpers im so sorry they get 12 unique sets, and a unique mount each 8 months... I am so sorry for them.

You forgot

• Ignoring any and all feedback during the entirety of Legion and WoD
• PvPers stopped getting unique sets in WoD. But at least WoD had different shoulders and helmets. Legion its just straight recolors, so your "12 custom sets" argument is bull. And you know it.
• PvP mode for the Island adventurers, we'll have to wait and see. Though it does seem its just something they tacked on to the very clearly PvE focused mode.
• Honor talents were terribly implemented and blizzard has ignored all feedback regarding them.
• Doubly so on templates.

There is a reason that PvP participation is at an all time low. Blizzard has been shitting on PvPers really hard since WoD and outright ignoring the community. This is already continuing in BfA. Hell so far there doesn't appear to be ANY PvP sets.

[FelPlague]

You forgot

• Ignoring any and all feedback during the entirety of Legion and WoD
• PvPers stopped getting unique sets in WoD. But at least WoD had different shoulders and helmets. Legion its just straight recolors, so your "12 custom sets" argument is bull. And you know it.
• PvP mode for the Island adventurers, we'll have to wait and see. Though it does seem its just something they tacked on to the very clearly PvE focused mode.
• Honor talents were terribly implemented and blizzard has ignored all feedback regarding them.
• Doubly so on templates.

There is a reason that PvP participation is at an all time low. Blizzard has been shitting on PvPers really hard since WoD and outright ignoring the community. This is already continuing in BfA. Hell so far there doesn't appear to be ANY PvP sets.

aactuallty no, pvpers still get unique sets, because blizzard goes they create mythic sets in only 2 colours, for example, teir 6 remake in purple/black and white/green. They then give green/white to mythic raiders able at any time, and the purple/black to pvpers that will only be able to be obtained in a short perioid.


you forgot brawl mode
templates and talents eeeeehhhhh

[Kithelle]

Because they hate PvP and have made their opinion known for a while now...plus the way they force PvE down our throats.

These devs these days develop the game they want, not what the fans want.

[Deleted]

Arena PvP is just about the worst type of PvP you could expose new people in an MMORPG. Same for WSG/Capture the Flag BG's.

I'll admit Blizz don't care about PvP but that's because they don't deem it worth their effort. A BG like AV, for example, likely takes as much dev time as a single raid would, with graphics, gameplay design and everything.
Not to mention their latest obsession to make everything completely homogenized, so neither side has an "advantage," probably adds even further devtime and forces the maps to become even more bland and homogenized.

As for "competitive PvP" that's pretty cancerous design for an MMORPG in general. An MMORPG PvP should not be "competitive." What we actually need is a sense that we are at war with the enemy faction, with unique NPC's with personality, story and AI providing backstory and lore, strategies and choices available and stemming from completing objectives as well as based on the topography of the map or just the NPC's abilities.
Kind of like a raid, except your faction's commander is the main boss, and instead of killing wave upon wave of monsters you cooperate with your faction's NPC's and other players to attain victory.

Basically, like WC3 except we are the commanders or heroes and not the ones microing the army.

[Deleted]

The more effort Blizzard puts into pvp the more they fuck it up. The less effort they put in it the better it is.

[Doctor Funkenstein]

The real question is: Why do they (and other similar games) cater to those shitty PKers to begin with? The vast majority of the playerbase has zero interest in it, and when they force them to engage in it, it really, really shows. Yet they continue doing it. It's truly bogglesome.

[Teri]

870 combatant gear being a thing in season 7 is bad... Gladiator is at 910 (925 from vendor).

Like really, 40 itemlevel difference between RNG Combatant or Gladiator.

Combatant gear is also useless as it only gives 1 echo of battle instead of 15.

Hope they stick to 1 set type in BfA, or at least have both gear be equal or whatever in random BG.

I know Rated pvp only have 1 type of gear, but still RNG slot-wise.

Now I know there's other sources for higher gear, but within 1 activity, in this case Random BG, a 40 itemlevel difference for doing the exact same thing at mercy of pure RNG is really stupid design.

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Well we now have the answers :-

- What the new ilvl of the new season gear will be? - The same as S6

Wasn't Season 6, 870 and 900? Season 7 is 870 and 910. (unranked random BG)

I remember it being 10 lower on the vendor as well, at 915, now 925.