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    Question The most evil class lorewise

    This discussion is about the classes,which,in your point of view,are the most evil.
    Death Knights (third generation) - majority of them are raised in undeath against their own will. They wield the forces of death and are made for a sole purpose - destruction. They can't live without inflicting pain. As Legion showed us,they are ready to do anything to reach their goals.
    Warlocks - wielders of the fel magic,they are the masters of curses,destructive abilities and masters of demons. They are ready to drain somebody's soul,only to empower their magic,they crave for power and are risking to corrupt their very own soul.
    Demon Hunters - to destroy the Burning Legion,they willingly became the half demons themselves,forever embracing a demon inside themselves to use it's power to destroy his brethren.Wielders of a fel magic and filled with vengeance,they will do whatever is necessary to destroy the Burning Legion.
    Shadow Priests - unlike their brothers,who decided to walk in an opposite direction,these individuals decided to peer into the void and embrace it's powers to vanquish their foes.They walk on an edge of sanity,and use their abilities to break their opponent minds and inflict a pain upon them.

    So,here's my own little description of each above mentioned class (sorry,if it sound a bit cheesy). Alas,share your thoughts,which class lorewise can be considered as the most evil.

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    How are we defining "evil" in this sense? These 4 classes, from a player perspective, tend to epitomize the concept of using one's enemy's power again them - taking power-sets that generally arise from evil sources (Necromancy, Fel, Demons, and the Void) and using them for the cause of (subjective) good. Do you mean the class that tends to have the most evil characters in its fold, or whose abilities are the most evil, or that does the most evil in terms of their class-specific quest or event offerings?
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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    Brewmasters, especially pandaren ones. They utilise chemical warfare on the field making them as evil (if not more) as solvunes.

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    For me it's a toss-up between Death Knights and Shadow Priests. Though Affliction Warlocks are also pretty bad.

    Like you said, Death Knights need to inflict pain in order to exist as they do. And they're wholly selfish and amoral, basically sadistic sociopaths.

    Shadow Priests thrive on the brink of sanity, in themselves and their victims. Slowly rotting peoples' minds until they become drooling masses and die. Not to mention routinely enslaving people that can't resist and have to watch from the inside as they murder they're former allies.

    Affliction Warlocks are basically walking degenerative diseases. One can only imagine the pain of slowly rotting from the inside out. Not to mention having your soul drained.

    All three are pretty horrific mentality wise but Death Knights have it there. Their entire purpose in "life" is to end it one way or another. They don't care about anything but power and suffering. But if we're talking methods, do you care more about losing your mind or your body? Shadow or Unholy/Affliction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    How are we defining "evil" in this sense? These 4 classes, from a player perspective, tend to epitomize the concept of using one's enemy's power again them - taking power-sets that generally arise from evil sources (Necromancy, Fel, Demons, and the Void) and using them for the cause of (subjective) good. Do you mean the class that tends to have the most evil characters in its fold, or whose abilities are the most evil, or that does the most evil in terms of their class-specific quest or event offerings?
    Thanks for the question. By that,I meant which of the above mentioned classes represent the most twisted school of magic - are those DK's,who are raising the dead to fight the foes and using the diseases to weaken their enemies etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karrotlord View Post
    For me it's a toss-up between Death Knights and Shadow Priests. Though Affliction Warlocks are also pretty bad.

    Like you said, Death Knights need to inflict pain in order to exist as they do. And they're wholly selfish and amoral, basically sadistic sociopaths.

    Shadow Priests thrive on the brink of sanity, in themselves and their victims. Slowly rotting peoples' minds until they become drooling masses and die. Not to mention routinely enslaving people that can't resist and have to watch from the inside as they murder they're former allies.

    Affliction Warlocks are basically walking degenerative diseases. One can only imagine the pain of slowly rotting from the inside out. Not to mention having your soul drained.

    All three are pretty horrific mentality wise but Death Knights have it there. Their entire purpose in "life" is to end it one way or another. They don't care about anything but power and suffering. But if we're talking methods, do you care more about losing your mind or your body? Shadow or Unholy/Affliction?
    If you ask me,i'd say,that the shadow priests are the most evil.Heck,since we know,that biggest threat in universe in not fel,but shadow/void and some individuals just keep practicing it,well...If mind is lost,a physically strong body is useless,so yeah...

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    Warlocks, instantly followed by Death Knights since Legion.
    Demon hunters are not evil, they simply don't care about usual rules.
    Shadow priests don't even make any sense since the beginning, they are not even priests so they don't count.

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    Warlocks.

    Fel is powered by death, and the destruction souls. To use the fel, a warlock has to kill, and destroy souls to power more powerful spells.

    Why I say this is more evil than death knights is because death knights were forced into their state, while warlocks choose to be warlocks. DKs can do some real twisted things, but their emotions have been warped by outside influence and they are basically programmed to feel agony unless they cause pain. Conversely, most warlocks thought "hmm, power" and started learning for how use other being's lives and souls to summon demons and cast fire and diseases and junk.

    Personally I think autonomy matters a lot in determining evil.

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    the difference is, intend

    DKs have not become DKs with the intend to kill all. they have been forced into their being.I would say they are not evil, but neutral, maybe chaotic neutral, but not evil.

    The other 3 classes don't have that excuse

    and from them i would toss it between warlocks and shadow priests.

    while the shadow priests mess with the mind of their foes, at least they are done with them upon death.

    But Warlock drain the souls of their victims and this way torturing them even after death .


    So i would say the most evil ones are the warlocks

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    warlocks.
    powerhungry sobs with no ethics.

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    Warlocks then Death Knights. DK's were also created by Warlocks (Gorefiend was the first dk created by Gul'Dan IIRC)
    Demon Hunters are just fanatics against the legion, no real evil. Shadow Priests are dodgy because are they actually sane? Or are they just old gods tools.

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    Basically, who would you rather invite to dinner:

    A former hero forced into undeath who has to kill to stay sane, so they direct their fury at criminals and enemies of the world

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    A guy who decided they'd quite like the awesome powers that come with consuming life and souls, and are willing to kill to retain their power?

    Some death knights certainty went the evil route, but most of the ones we see are focused of defending the living at all costs. But almost every warlock we see willingly and enthusiastically embraces a school of magic which by definition kills and consumes souls. It's just part of being a warlock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soeroah View Post
    Basically, who would you rather invite to dinner:

    A former hero forced into undeath who has to kill to stay sane, so they direct their fury at criminals and enemies of the world

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    A guy who decided they'd quite like the awesome powers that come with consuming life and souls, and are willing to kill to retain their power?

    Some death knights certainty went the evil route, but most of the ones we see are focused of defending the living at all costs. But almost every warlock we see willingly and enthusiastically embraces a school of magic which by definition kills and consumes souls. It's just part of being a warlock.
    Keep in mind that one of them will talk about sacrificing others while other about how much he sacrificed and suffered. One conversation will be hilarious, second has chance to push you into suicide. The choice is yours.

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    I would side with "Warlock." Their power quite literally arises from destruction - the consumption of organic life, souls, and life essence to power their magic. In the Warcraft universe every Warlock is essentially a walking zone of defilement, destroying life around them to fuel their power. Death Knights, while powered by Necromantic energies and driven by bloodlust, are at least economical in the power they wield - like Demon Hunters their corruption is largely internalized, without a need or a side-effect of corrupting their environment further. Shadow Priests also don't seem to spread the Void as a mainstay of their power-set, although they can be as destructive as a Warlock if they go off the rails or fall to Void-induced madness.

    Well-intentioned Death Knights, Demon Hunters, or Shadow Priests can employ their powers without harming others indirectly - a Warlock, even a good one, has no say in the matter: the very root of their power requires the consumption of life (even if it is only their own).
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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    Monks are infected with Pandaren's lol-wisdom. A clear winner.
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    Every argument saying that DKs aren't really bad, they were just forced to do bad shit, died in Legion when the DKs willingly attacked both the Silver Hand and the Red Dragonflight (who they might've also massacred a decent portion of, depending on whether that part turns out to be canon).

    Warlocks' magic might be based on some pretty evil stuff too, but at least they generally turn their attention towards other evil-doers, unlike DKs who just go around killing everything that stands in their way.

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    Shadow priests they use magic that originates from void and that power causes most of its users to turn insane and usually and end up serving the void lords or old gods. Also we can see which of the forces are more evil what kind of creatures are born from lets take Nathrezims as an example from fel and compared to old gods or dimensius. All of them are evil yes I would wager OG's and Dimensius being more evil than Nathrezims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chr2 View Post
    Every argument saying that DKs aren't really bad, they were just forced to do bad shit, died in Legion when the DKs willingly attacked both the Silver Hand and the Red Dragonflight (who they might've also massacred a decent portion of, depending on whether that part turns out to be canon).

    Warlocks' magic might be based on some pretty evil stuff too, but at least they generally turn their attention towards other evil-doers, unlike DKs who just go around killing everything that stands in their way.
    I think the topic is more centered on the class fantasy itself, and not the individuals, per se. That being said, Warlock being the worst of the lot doesn't necessarily give the other three any kind of free pass - plenty of Death Knights are likely terrible people who have done terrible things, both before and after their "redemption" in WotLK. I tend to view my Death Knight through the lens of someone trying to control their own psychopathic need to inflict pain with bouts of bloody insanity on the battlefield followed by periods of extreme penance.
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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    Death knights can't help what they are, as they were raised against their will to serve, and ones like the ebon blade try to right for a better world then one controlled by the legion. That said they are military minded and use necromatic powers to push their military role without much care.

    Shadow priests dip into the void, which is messing with powers that can screw you up, but normally it comes down to the individual how they use the power, for good or ill.

    Demon hunters simply wanted to stop the legion at any method, sacrificing any normal life to achieve that, we don't yet know what demon hunters will be like now the demon is defeated, but ilidans sacrifice pushes the idea of them more into the chaotic good or neutral category atm.

    Warlocks range from just scheming and controlling, to full on power mad monsters. There's a reason it's hard to list any heroic warlocks, and why the most lore themed ones are almost always villains.
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    How the hell are rogues not in this discussion yet?

    - Chemical warfare with poisons/toxins/etc.
    - literal backstabbing
    - they also rob their victims
    - their lair is literally hidden in the sewers

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    >Did add Demon Hunters
    >Didn't add Rogues

    Seriosuly op? You just had one job.

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