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  1. #481
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    And you haven't completed a single raid on mythic difficulty. I WONDER WHY.
    I completed Emerald Nightmare back in the Legion. But why does it matter? You have only two gradations: LFR and completed mythic? Probably in top-100 guild, no less, nerfed content does not count, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero View Post
    I guess I'm a mythic raider then.
    Technically yes. I consider first three bosses puggable at this moment, so proper mythic bosses start from 4-th, but that's just my opinion.
    Last edited by vsb; 2019-06-13 at 10:52 PM.

  2. #482
    Quote Originally Posted by vsb View Post
    1. I don't like boss mods, I'd rather play without them enjoying the encounter. Especially weak auras. Terrible addon.
    2. I don't like reading guides. I'd rather develop my own strategy. That belong both to class guides and raid guides.
    3. Rotation is very hard, I'm struggling to do it correctly.
    4. There are quite a lot of things going on, so I can miss something, because I can keep only so many things at once in my memory.

    I think that our difference is that you want to succeed in this game. You want to kill bosses, get high ilvl, and so on. While I don't care about progress or gear. I care about process. I care about my own fun. If using DBM makes game less fun for me, I'll throw it, even if it means that I'll die from some mechanics.
    2. Took a quick look at warcraft logs ( Jadefire boss ) and your build is the one that many other mages use pretty often. So much for *developing my own strategy*
    1. No boss mods and weakauras ? Would like to see some recent POV then, though it is highly possible - some skilled players do not need such addons. I personally know just a few, and i am not one of them.

  3. #483
    Quote Originally Posted by Popastique View Post
    2. Took a quick look at warcraft logs ( Jadefire boss ) and your build is the one that many other mages use pretty often. So much for *developing my own strategy*
    I tested various builds and talked with some mages. Unfortunately mage lacks real choice in most tiers.


    Quote Originally Posted by Popastique View Post
    1. No boss mods and weakauras ? Would like to see some recent POV then, though it is highly possible - some skilled players do not need such addons. I personally know just a few, and i am not one of them.
    I have no idea how to stream and it seems that summer killed our guild until 8.2 I'm actually using BW because RL asks us to use it, with most abilities disabled, so other people could see /say at some moments. No weakauras. Again, I'm not calling myself skilled one. My logs are mostly gray (but I believe I still contribute enough DPS so I'm not a dead weight). I just don't enjoy playing game of bars and hitting button because weakaura told me so. I prefer to watch what's really happening in combat. That's more fun for me. And I think that I'm sometimes executing tactics better than some raiders using all their auras and stuff. Probably because I'm not overwhelmed with not very relevant things.

  4. #484
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    Quote Originally Posted by Popastique View Post
    Having killed the 1st boss in mythic still makes you a mythic raider
    No it fucking doesn't

  5. #485
    Quote Originally Posted by Strikeywikey View Post
    No it fucking doesn't
    It does, you killed that mythic boss and will probably spend at least some time trying to kill the 2nd one

  6. #486
    just watch a stream of asmongold and you will understand why they are bad.

  7. #487
    Quote Originally Posted by vsb View Post
    I completed Emerald Nightmare back in the Legion. But why does it matter? You have only two gradations: LFR and completed mythic? Probably in top-100 guild, no less, nerfed content does not count, right?


    Technically yes. I consider first three bosses puggable at this moment, so proper mythic bosses start from 4-th, but that's just my opinion.
    The fact that you have yet to complete a single mythic raid means that your only options have been mythic pugs that eventually kick you for dragging the entire group down. Nobody in their right mind would keep someone who doesn't use addons in their mythic group.

  8. #488
    Quote Originally Posted by Popastique View Post
    It does, you killed that mythic boss and will probably spend at least some time trying to kill the 2nd one
    First 3 are puggable it doesn't. I would say minimum of Rasta plus at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vsb View Post
    I tested various builds and talked with some mages. Unfortunately mage lacks real choice in most tiers.



    I have no idea how to stream and it seems that summer killed our guild until 8.2 I'm actually using BW because RL asks us to use it, with most abilities disabled, so other people could see /say at some moments. No weakauras. Again, I'm not calling myself skilled one. My logs are mostly gray (but I believe I still contribute enough DPS so I'm not a dead weight). I just don't enjoy playing game of bars and hitting button because weakaura told me so. I prefer to watch what's really happening in combat. That's more fun for me. And I think that I'm sometimes executing tactics better than some raiders using all their auras and stuff. Probably because I'm not overwhelmed with not very relevant things.
    Your logs are grey means you are getting carried and making your guild work harder. You aren't executing better than others if your logs are grey.

  9. #489
    Quote Originally Posted by Popastique View Post
    It does, you killed that mythic boss and will probably spend at least some time trying to kill the 2nd one
    Sure, frame it that way if you want, that just means that the gulf between a "mythic raider" that killed the first boss and one that killed a second boss is gigantic.

  10. #490
    Raiding requires a fair amount of prep work - would be much easier if people enjoyed reading

  11. #491
    People are bad at raiding for the same reason people are bad at anything.

    A lack of effort being put in, combined with certain learned skills they just never bother to pick up. Raid awareness being one of them.

    http://iam.yellingontheinternet.com/...acticed-skill/

    By far the most important aspect of being good at this game is situational awareness. It Trumps everything and anything else, if you improve your situational awareness, you will automatically be good at the game.

  12. #492
    The biggest reason I've never taken raiding seriousely (Aside from MOP when I killed garrosh on HC) is the commitment. I don't wanna come home from work and be like ah shit I gotta go online at 6pm and raid until 9pm. Or force myself to take an unfun cookie cutter spec just to please a elitist raid leader.

    It's just not very fun tbh.

  13. #493
    People are bad at every game, not just WoW.
    Scheduled weekly maintenance caught me by surprise.

  14. #494
    Because most people don't really care, which is fine honestly. WoW is mechanically incredibly easy so a lot of bad players probably could be competent if they put time in.

  15. #495
    I think there is quite a bit to do to become a good wow raider. I think some are not willing to do everything it takes to be good or great at raiding, but they still have a great time raiding.

    There is no issue with that unless they see themselves better than they are.

  16. #496
    Raiding was meant for a niche portion of the playerbase; it was never meant for the entire population to play. After all the complaints from the casual playerbase, Blizzard gave raiding multiple difficulties. Clearly, this approach hasn't worked. If you look at the statistics, you'll find that people are playing the content (LFR) and raising the active number of raiders by an incredible amount. This doesn't mean that the system is working to the benefit of the game; it simply means that people are taking part in the content that's available to them. This will almost always be the case, with WoW.

    By giving people access to lower levels of difficulty, Blizzard has made players feel as though they are capable of participating in more content (and, to some extent, they are -- if you include the ability to AFK in an LFR raid). By allowing players to boost their characters, Blizzard is allowing players to play a class that they likely have no idea how to play. By allowing anonymity from name changes/server transfers, Blizzard has allowed players to become unaccountable for their performance/actions. The list goes on.

    It's not the players' fault; it's the fault of the game's design direction that has been "evolving" over many years. There's no reason to blame any player for their lack of performance, unless they lie about their skills/experience to join a group. Lying on your résumé is nothing new, but the level of skill required for the upper tiers of content has drastically risen, since vanilla.

    tl;dr Blame Blizzard's shitty game design, not the players.

  17. #497
    I think part of the reason is that people have different expectations. You just listed 4 things to do OUTSIDE of the game to play the game. It may be hard to believe, but some people just play the game and learn as they go. Are those people fit for normal or heroic? No. I am fairly certain they are the majority of the population.

  18. #498
    Quote Originally Posted by Shizune View Post
    I think part of the reason is that people have different expectations. You just listed 4 things to do OUTSIDE of the game to play the game. It may be hard to believe, but some people just play the game and learn as they go. Are those people fit for normal or heroic? No. I am fairly certain they are the majority of the population.
    To be fair that's how I started, was just figuring it out as I went got randomly pulled into a guild kara run not knowing anything about raiding really, enjoyed it and just figured it out as I went along. Still yet to stop :P

  19. #499
    I thought is was pretty clear that the vast majority of people playing wow could give a shit less about raiding seriously, doing arenas or pushing m+ keys. There is a reason why LFR, mount collecting and pet battles have far more participation than mythic raiding, pvp and pushing m+ keys, thats what most of the player base does and wants out of the game.

  20. #500
    I wil never understand how can people be bad in pve (m+ and raiding) It's always the same. But most ppl just don't play raids i don't raid too because of how tie consuming mythic raiding is and i can't even understand how people find time for it and heroic raiding is just too low for me, no rewards, 0 challenge (mythic is 0 challenge after some time too but at beginning it's not)

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