Syria Sarin Gas Attack - 100+ Casualties

[Elba]

Pure evil Western educated Eye doctor
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And Hitler was good to his dogs. What's your point? The guy is a monster.

[Kuntantee]

Cities are famously hard to take, especially those in Syria that are 99% concrete. If you bomb them it just makes rubble and rubble is even easier to defend.

Nerve agent gets around that, it disperses through the rubble and kills.

Assad, a Shiite from the Alawite who are Shiites, doesn't care about Syrian Sunni casualties.

For his buddy Putin Assad drove Syrian Sunni refugees into Europe like cattle.

It's not unique to Assad. Americans razed Raqqa, indiscriminately bombed hospitals, mosques and alike. And a good portion of those refugees are still in Turkey dude, not Europe.

[Valerean]

I am willing to bet that you can count the "non-kinetic" options placed on Trump's desk by John Bolton on one hand.

[Deleted]

Oh no, suddenly when there were possible peace talks between Assad and rebels and when even Trump said that he would like to pull US army out of Syria, Assad gasses 100 random children to prove to the whole international community how evil he is! Nice timing, Animal Assad! But fear not, the good ol' Uncle Sam is going to save the population (and oil) by (humanitarly, of course) bombing Damascus and sending the refugees to the borders of EU! What a great day to be alive!

[Nasuuna]

god I hate the middle east, as well as both sides of my countries political leadership, and the U.N, and the EU....uh

Fuck Russia, uuhh


Screw it, fuck all governments, all they do is murder and take your money.

[Kuntantee]

Oh no, suddenly when there were possible peace talks between Assad and rebels and when even Trump said that he would like to pull US army out of Syria, Assad gasses 100 random children to prove to the whole international community how evil he is! Nice timing, Animal Assad! But fear not, the good ol' Uncle Sam is going to save the population (and oil) by (humanitarly, of course) bombing Damascus and sending the refugees to the borders of EU! What a great day to be alive!

Anyone with a two digit IQ would question the credibility of this attack. Not that Assad isn't capable of killing people with gas, he just doesn't need it. They swept parts of East Ghouta so fast that rebels had to negotiate. Why use chemical weapon now?

[Skandulous]

And Hitler was good to his dogs. What's your point? The guy is a monster.

people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones

[tttsssrrr]

I'll always be against anything that Lindsey Graham is out in the front of, cheerleading for.

[downnola]

Pure evil Western educated Eye doctor

This kid ain't buyin it.

[Armourboy]

god I hate the middle east, as well as both sides of my countries political leadership, and the U.N, and the EU....uh

Fuck Russia, uuhh


Screw it, fuck all governments, all they do is murder and take your money.

Sadly the middle east is a mess the entire world is basically responsible for.

Places like this never have an easy answer. If the US just walks away then the world cries that we didn't do anything. If we do what needs to be done the world cries because we are ruthless and brutal and just want to control everything.

Frankly I'm at the point of just walking away from it all and letting the world burn as we give the middle finger to everyone as they cry about it. At that point we let the world know that if some nut job attacks us we are turning that country into a wasteland and we dont want to hear the bitching later.

[Nasuuna]

Sadly the middle east is a mess the entire world is basically responsible for.

Places like this never have an easy answer. If the US just walks away then the world cries that we didn't do anything. If we do what needs to be done the world cries because we are ruthless and brutal and just want to control everything.

Frankly I'm at the point of just walking away from it all and letting the world burn as we give the middle finger to everyone as they cry about it. At that point we let the world know that if some nut job attacks us we are turning that country into a wasteland and we dont want to hear the bitching later.

I personally support walking away from anybody who complains about our presence

see how the U.N. likes not having...well... even fewer teeth, it will leave them with a scraggletooth basically

[yetgdhfgh]

Syria without doubt is the biggest shit sandwich of the 21st century.

[Ripster42]

I personally support walking away from anybody who complains about our presence

see how the U.N. likes not having...well... even fewer teeth, it will leave them with a scraggletooth basically

How did that work out the last time a member of the permanent security council left the UN?

For the answer: The Korean War that the UN approved with no veto from the USSR who promptly retook their seat on the council.

[Slant]

80% of the people who inhaled sarin gas die within days. Why are we talking about Skripal case when this is happening in Syria on a large scale? Mass media not interested?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...-idUSKBN1HE0RR

Says nobody's talking about it and then proceeds to quote Reuters... logic checks out!

[Ripster42]

This reeks of a false flag, especially when the word we're going on here are the "White Helmets" who have been definitively linked with Jihadi rebels. It makes no sense for Assad to gas his own people on the eve of the US signaling they want to leave Syria, the jihadis in the city agreeing to leave and the army having almost complete control of the area. Compound this with the fact that the last gas attack had no evidence of being conducted by Assad (admitted to a year later by Mattis himself) and that a chemical weapons factory was found in farmland near the area under the control of the jihadi's, it just is obvious this is the work of the jihadis trying to provoke the US into attacking their enemies. ISIS is essentially trying to get the US to act as its air force and people are eating it up. -_-

It's only been a year and 4 days since the last chemical attack in syria previous to this one. Check your info, the UN concluded the one you're talking about to have been conducted by ISIL, and the one that happened a year ago to have been conducted by assad. Stop getting your news wherever you're getting it, because it's making you look clueless.

[Skroe]

We launched some TLAMs at about this time last year after a gas attack as a “deterrent” against another one.

OFP

And Assad and Putin just waltz directly across the new red line Trump laid last year.

Basically Trump has to bomb the shit out of Assad, or every "tough" thing he ever said is complete bullshit and he'll be exposed even more as the con-man I've said he is for 2 years.

His entire credibility as Commander-in-Chief of the United States is on the line. The Red Line incident fatally wounded Obama's power. Will Trump create a sequel here? Because make no mistake: Russia and Assad had this happen in direct defiance of him. The US throws up a series of sanctions against Russia, some which will really bite Putin's inner circle. Trump says something moronic about leaving Syria that everyone with a brain scoffs at, and that opens the way to Assaed dumping a few barrels filled with chlorine gas out of some helicopters on the anniversary of Trump's Red line.

He is being tested. He must respond, or he has no business being President.

[Elba]

And Assad and Putin just waltz directly across the new red line Trump laid last year.

Basically Trump has to bomb the shit out of Assad, or every "tough" thing he ever said is complete bullshit and he'll be exposed even more as the con-man I've said he is for 2 years.

His entire credibility as Commander-in-Chief of the United States is on the line. The Red Line incident fatally wounded Obama's power. Will Trump create a sequel here? Because make no mistake: Russia and Assad had this happen in direct defiance of him. The US throws up a series of sanctions against Russia, some which will really bite Putin's inner circle. Trump says something moronic about leaving Syria that everyone with a brain scoffs at, and that opens the way to Assaed dumping a few barrels filled with chlorine gas out of some helicopters on the anniversary of Trump's Red line.

He is being tested. He must respond, or he has no business being President.

Does the American public even remember that he drew that line?

[Skroe]

I care - The EU cares.

France is ready to bomb them themselves.
Most of the EU will go along with it.
The refugee "crisis" has long since abated.

And more to the point, if Europe has to have a role in security matters, it has to put some skin in the game. Living down the street from a troubled neighborhood isn't enough.

So for a tactical victory in a theater that does not matter, you will inflict harm to your strategic allies?

Europe has a lid on it's immigration issues. There is absolutely no reason the status quo can't perpetuate itself for years to come (in fact, it almost certainly will).

But let's keep in mind something with Europe and it's "refugee crisis". We're talking about 1.5 million people in a Union of... what... 600 million? More than half the refugee crisis has been opportunistic politicians exploiting Europe's latent racism and ever present (and entirely unfounded) fears about decline of their unique cultural identities.

Merkel was the one European who got it right by saying Europe should throw its doors open. She had the courage to speak to Europeans like adults. Essentially every other politician did the opposite.

[Armourboy]

Does the American public even remember that he drew that line?

I doubt it, most regular Americans have tuned everything out because they are tired of listening to it from both sides. They just go to work and then come home and do their thing.

[Skroe]

Does the American public even remember that he drew that line?

Today, they are getting a reminder. Republicans and Democrats in Congress are getting on TV and tweeting and issuing statements reminding Trump about his obligations to uphold international norms.

There will be no weaseling his way out of this one. Too much pressure, especially with John Bolton's first day tomorrow. And keep in mind John Bolton's bread and butter is exactly the thing I've been saying that various foreigners, particularly Russia-aligned ones, grimace at: that the US should respond disproportionately to aggression to remind, frankly, the likes of our adversaries, our friends and you, what real power is and who wields it.

And it's not Vladmir-fucking-Putin.

He ain't wrong. I mean policing operates on the same principle: use of force as a form of deterrence.

In any event Donald Trump shall again betray the far-right isolationists by involving the US in a foreign war.

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Nice meme, Skroe.

10/10

It's absolutely on point. These are the things Donald Trump, John Bolton and others *rightly* said about Barack Obama in 2013. And as we discussed at length in these forums in the after math of Obama's failure to enforce the red line, and the years following where the disaster of not doing so became apparent, Obama's credibility was shot. At home. Abroad. He was figured out: this was not a man of his word, this was a man who could be crossed.

Now it's Trump's turn. He has the same test. Will he fail it like Obama? Because if he doesn't, he'll get nothing with China, NAFTA negotiations, with Iran, with North Korea, with Europe or anything else. Because everyone will know around the world that he is a man who makes empty threats. This is what Obama found. The Red line spilled over to the rest of his agenda.

He sends a Assad and a bunch of his army to hell and delivers a humiliation to Vladmir Putin, and maybe in a bonus round "accidentally" drop some cluster bombs on some Russians, and he'll find that his power around the world will be magnified and he'll get more of everything he wants. He will find for the low cost of $1.5 billion in combat operations, he will earn the US even more negotiating power in every theater it is engaged in.

And in the part that should truly horrify Trump's base, Russians and anti-American trolls the world over, the above point is EXACTLY what National Security Adviser John Bolton will be telling Trump on his first day, tomorrow at 9am. Because this is the stuff John Bolton has been saying for 20 years.