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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    The oppressors rarely do.

    Of course, I would much prefer to stick with the definition of the word.

    The Nazis didn't think what they were doing was oppression, neither did Stalin. People rarely give a shit about oppression, until something they want goes away.
    The definition is unjust exercise of authority. That's not very objective and is subject to your own ideas of what is justified or unjust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katie N View Post
    The definition is unjust exercise of authority. That's not very objective and is subject to your own ideas of what is justified or unjust.
    So, it's good to know Hitler was able to justify his oppression. He certainly felt it was just.

    I'm going to go ahead and stick with freedom on this one, thanks.
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    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katie N View Post
    What if you don't think it is oppression and is justified exercise of authority for maintaining stability?
    In China, Uyghurs and Tibetans live in literal police states (More so for Uyghurs than Tibetans) and they are thrown into literal reeducation camps for every action that might hint dissent. They are being unjustly treated and that the majority of the population doesn't think that their suffering is necessary for their own benefit (because its not benefiting those groups who still live in dirt poverty) doesn't stop it from being oppression. Not everything is subjective to the whims of the majority as you seem to imply, some actions are wrong regardless of how many people approve of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    So, it's good to know Hitler was able to justify his oppression. He certainly felt it was just.

    I'm going to go ahead and stick with freedom on this one, thanks.
    Your ideas of freedom will lead to destabilization of society, no thank you. I prefer stability over chaos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katie N View Post
    Your ideas of freedom will lead to destabilization of society, no thank you. I prefer stability over chaos.
    Except it won't. As the west clearly showed to the eastern degenerate communist part of the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vorkreist View Post
    Except it won't. As the west clearly showed to the eastern degenerate communist part of the world.
    Have you read his posts? Even the west doesn't have freedoms according to his idea of what freedom is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katie N View Post
    Your ideas of freedom will lead to destabilization of society, no thank you. I prefer stability over chaos.
    Total bullshit rhetoric. Mind providing some examples?

    I can provide counter-example: Scandinavian countries occupy the first places on the HDI, Gini, Freedom Press Index, general perception of freedom, high rated in corruption perception index and they have high GDP per capita.

    On the other hand, China is rated 176/180 in press freedom, next to Syria, Sudan and fucking North Korea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hextor View Post
    Total bullshit rhetoric. Mind providing some examples?

    I can provide counter-example: Scandinavian countries occupy the first places on the HDI, Gini, Freedom Press Index, general perception of freedom, high rated in corruption perception index and they have high GDP per capita.

    On the other hand, China is rated 176/180 in press freedom, next to Syria and fucking North Korea.
    How is that bullshit? No country in the world fits his idea of freedom. Try reading what he posts and tell me that his idea of what freedom is doesn't destabilize society.
    Last edited by Katie N; 2018-04-26 at 11:55 AM.

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    Authoritarian regimes huh? Wacky fellows that they are.

    Quote Originally Posted by Katie N View Post
    Your ideas of freedom will lead to destabilization of society, no thank you. I prefer stability over chaos.
    Well this is going to be a fundamental disagreement then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Well this is going to be a fundamental disagreement then.
    Why? There is no country that fit his idea of freedom. A country can't even exist with his idea of what freedom is.
    Last edited by Katie N; 2018-04-26 at 11:57 AM.

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    Katie N reminds me of all the best Hydra-centered Marvel comics. lol

    Also, look what happens to people that think outside of party imposed lines in Vn:

    http://www.dpa-international.com/top...0405-99-770196
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    They say 50% of China's 1.3 billion citizens have internet access. What would happen if a free exchange of ideas were allowed not only with each other but a free exchange of ideas with everyone on the planet?

    Xi says no good would come of it, it's a threat to the regime.


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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-d...-idUSKBN1HS0GW

    SHANGHAI (Reuters) - China must strengthen its grip on the internet to ensure broader social and economic goals are met, state news agency Xinhua reported on Saturday citing comments from President Xi Jinping, underlining a hardening attitude towards online content.

    FILE PHOTO: Chinese President Xi Jinping meets World Economic Forum (WEF) Executive Chairman Klaus Schwab (not pictured) at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, China April 16, 2018. Naohiko Hatta/Pool via REUTERS
    Under Xi’s rule China has increasingly tightened its grip on the internet, concerned about losing influence and control over a younger generation who are driving a diverse and vibrant online culture from livestreaming to blogs.

    “Without web security there’s no national security, there’s no economic and social stability, and it’s difficult to ensure the interests of the broader masses,” Xinhua cited Xi as saying.

    “We cannot let the internet become a platform for disseminating harmful information and stirring up trouble with rumors,” he added in comments made at a cyber security conference in Beijing, Xinhua said.

    Chinese regulators have been driving a sweeping crackdown on media content, which has been gaining force since last year, spreading a chill among content makers and distributors.

    China is also looking to take a leading role globally in internet regulation and technology more broadly, which has come into sharp focus amid a trade standoff with the United States and an arms race over technology.

    The United States banned sales of parts and software to Chinese telecoms equipment maker ZTE earlier this week, which the Chinese firm said on Friday threatened its survival. ZTE uses U.S. chips in many of its smartphones.

    The ZTE case had “triggered a heated debate” in China about advanced technology, Xinhua said in a separate report on Saturday, adding mastering high-end technologies such as chips was “key” to becoming a strong nation.

    Luo Wen, China’s deputy industry minister, said while China had made progress in advance manufacturing in areas like electric vehicles and aviation, it was still facing challenges due to a lack of top talent and global scale, Xinhua said.

    “Our advanced manufacturing development faces the risk of being boxed in at the low-end,” Xinhua reported, citing Luo.

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    The interests of the broad masses? What a fucking joke. Those are hte masses you're oppressing, Ping. You don't give a rats ass about them, because if you did you'd let them express themselves.
    No, they fear the people and thus they feel the need to severely control the people.

    China should stay the fuck away from the worlds internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hextor View Post
    Katie N reminds me of all the best Hydra-centered Marvel comics. lol

    Also, look what happens to people that think outside of party imposed lines in Vn:

    http://www.dpa-international.com/top...0405-99-770196
    Can people plan to overthrow the government in your country without repercussions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katie N View Post
    Can people plan to overthrow the government in your country without repercussions?
    Some bloggers overthrowing the government, eh?
    Are you a cartoon character?
    We had 500-600k people peacefully protesting our government out in the street in one february night last year. How would've that ended in China or Vietnam? Tanks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hextor View Post
    Some bloggers overthrowing the government, eh?
    Are you a cartoon character?
    https://vnexpress.net/tin-tuc/phap-l...n-3732992.html

    You don't need an army behind you to talk about overthrowing.

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    You're linking me an article sponsored by state propaganda...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo
    You seem to think I support assholes like Trump, no thanks.
    It doesn't really matter to me if you do or you don't, what matters to me is that apparently all is fine and good in the US ... things are just a problem in China. Oppression is such a handily flexible phrase that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo
    The freedom of speech and expression in China is being significantly restricted. It's not really a subjective issue, it fits the definition.
    It's quite subjective. You are taking a set of values as you see them and using them as a filter to justify how you want another culture to react. Slogans are great, but at the end of things reality needs to be faced. That reality is that there are 1.3 to 1.6 billion people who need to be fed, housed and employed. Among the oppressive measures of the Chinese government, those bastards are trying to get toilets for everyone! http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/201..._136783293.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hextor View Post
    You're linking me an article sponsored by state propaganda...
    You're linking to an article that omits the fact that they sought support abroad from foreign organizations and individuals and talked about overthrowing. I guess mentioning that wouldn't go well with the narrative they want to push.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    He isn't wrong.

    Free and open internet is probably the biggest destabilizer in the world right now.

    The freedom of information and exchange of opinions (+ internet being the biggest propaganda outlet) does come at a price.
    Id wager that education is the biggest destabilisation in the world. Because a well educated populace questions the govs beahaviour in terms they dont want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWay View Post
    I don't think he said anything that "non oppressive" governments aren't doing as well. But oh, it's communism! It's China!
    Sure, all governments are afraid of free information. It can always be used against them.

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