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  1. #501
    It's definitely the correct court ruling but you have to wonder why he was offered this deal in the first place. It was not even a criminal case!

  2. #502
    Quote Originally Posted by tehealadin View Post
    I liked Dave Chappelle talking about him, hits home why many in the black community feel conflicted, the man did a lot of good for the black community. I like the Stannis mantra when it comes to people- the good deeds cannot wash away the bad, nor the bad the good, so he might be a monster but that doesn't wash away the good work he has done in the past.

    Yea, I was worried he would try to do a "kiss my ass" tour, certainly wouldn't be something I would be going out to see.
    I mean bad people often do good things as well. Napoleon gave us a reworked legal code that simplied a lot of things and is still used in a lot of places around the world. Unfortunately he also started like 4-5 major wars which lead to thousands of deaths. Hitler was pretty central in pulling the world out of a global economic depression and rebuilt a nation before the whole war that killed millions and extermination camps things. We remember these people for the really bad things they did. We really didn't let them off the hook because we could find some examples of helpful moments.

    Bill Cosby while not on the scale of these terrible people mentionable is really no different. Yeah he made people laugh. He entertained a lot of people. He no doubt lead the black community in many things and no doubt funded many great projects that helped the black community. But at the end of the day he was a rapist. Not just a once when he and her were a little drunk in college and the details are a bit blurry (even though it's terrible as well). But a true predator that actively hunted his prey and drugged them repeatedly. This is a man that probably could have had sex with at least some if not most of these women anyway if he had just gone about it the normal way. Rich, famous, the reason most of them were around him in the first place situation. But he didn't do that. The man probably got a sick thrill from doing it and enjoyed raping women. He is an absolutely terrible person in every way. Guilty as fuck. But he had a good lawyer so he gets to go free. At least at this point no one will probably be exposing themselves to him to be drugged to be raped and the guy is so old its probably not working so well anymore anyway, but.. a really predator was put back on the streets because of a technical loophole that only someone with damn near unlimited funding could pull off.

    So sure, I will say he did some good things. But I will only remember him for one thing. Being a rapist with a good lawyer. That's it. I just hope no one is harmed because of it. At least beyond the mental pain most these women probably feel because of him walking free today.

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    So sure, I will say he did some good things. But I will only remember him for one thing. Being a rapist with a good lawyer. That's it. I just hope no one is harmed because of it. At least beyond the mental pain most these women probably feel because of him walking free today.
    Oh I am the same, for me he is a rapist first and foremost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Low Hanging Fruit View Post
    I mean bad people often do good things as well. Napoleon gave us a reworked legal code that simplied a lot of things and is still used in a lot of places around the world. Unfortunately he also started like 4-5 major wars which lead to thousands of deaths. Hitler was pretty central in pulling the world out of a global economic depression and rebuilt a nation before the whole war that killed millions and extermination camps things. We remember these people for the really bad things they did. We really didn't let them off the hook because we could find some examples of helpful moments.

    Bill Cosby while not on the scale of these terrible people mentionable is really no different. Yeah he made people laugh. He entertained a lot of people. He no doubt lead the black community in many things and no doubt funded many great projects that helped the black community. But at the end of the day he was a rapist. Not just a once when he and her were a little drunk in college and the details are a bit blurry (even though it's terrible as well). But a true predator that actively hunted his prey and drugged them repeatedly. This is a man that probably could have had sex with at least some if not most of these women anyway if he had just gone about it the normal way. Rich, famous, the reason most of them were around him in the first place situation. But he didn't do that. The man probably got a sick thrill from doing it and enjoyed raping women. He is an absolutely terrible person in every way. Guilty as fuck. But he had a good lawyer so he gets to go free. At least at this point no one will probably be exposing themselves to him to be drugged to be raped and the guy is so old its probably not working so well anymore anyway, but.. a really predator was put back on the streets because of a technical loophole that only someone with damn near unlimited funding could pull off.

    So sure, I will say he did some good things. But I will only remember him for one thing. Being a rapist with a good lawyer. That's it. I just hope no one is harmed because of it. At least beyond the mental pain most these women probably feel because of him walking free today.
    What really tarnishes his legacy isn't just that he did those things. I believe in growth after you have paid your dues. He did the stuff while people looked up to him, people even tolerated his BS because he inspired many. Now when you think back on him he looks like a con artist. But worst has been the utter lack of remorse he has shown since his trial. He clearly has a god complex and everyone should be lucky to have him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    What really tarnishes his legacy isn't just that he did those things. I believe in growth after you have paid your dues. He did the stuff while people looked up to him, people even tolerated his BS because he inspired many. Now when you think back on him he looks like a con artist. But worst has been the utter lack of remorse he has shown since his trial. He clearly has a god complex and everyone should be lucky to have him.
    Apparently, he is very senile. Read that he keeps forgetting his daughter is dead, only having to re-learn and re-cope with the fact, over and over again. Chances are, that he barely even remembers his crimes in the past, or even comprehend them anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jotaux View Post
    It's definitely the correct court ruling but you have to wonder why he was offered this deal in the first place. It was not even a criminal case!
    Because there wasn't enough evidence to get a conviction in the eyes of the DA before he gave testimony. Within the first two pages of the state's decision it says this.
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    I do not need to play the role of "holier than thou". I'm above that..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    Apparently, he is very senile. Read that he keeps forgetting his daughter is dead, only having to re-learn and re-cope with the fact, over and over again. Chances are, that he barely even remembers his crimes in the past, or even comprehend them anymore.
    And that slide to senility happened while he spent the last of his days in jail. Pretty fitting end to a sexual predator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    What really tarnishes his legacy isn't just that he did those things. I believe in growth after you have paid your dues. He did the stuff while people looked up to him, people even tolerated his BS because he inspired many. Now when you think back on him he looks like a con artist. But worst has been the utter lack of remorse he has shown since his trial. He clearly has a god complex and everyone should be lucky to have him.
    Agreed. Some bad acts can be forgiven if they happened first, then the person pulls out of "badness" and does good deeds and helps the world, etc. But Cosby went the wrong way, garnering a world wide following/fame, and then using that to rape women.
    (and, before you ask, no, it would not have been ok to rape women first and then do good)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jotaux View Post
    It's definitely the correct court ruling but you have to wonder why he was offered this deal in the first place. It was not even a criminal case!
    The thing to understand is that there was no deal. If Cosby could be prosecuted, then he could have taken the Fifth in the civil case to not answer any questions that could incriminate him criminally. There was no criminal case, so by announcing that they would never bring a criminal case, he no longer could claim he couldn't answer to avoid incriminating himself. If they had never done that, then there would be no civil case either.
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    Here is an explanation of why he is free, coming from an actual lawyer. It is in 3 parts but they are short.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    I very much care about societal issues. One of those
    societal issues is that everyone deserves a fair trial with competent legal council.

    And before you say one more god damn word about how I don't care about societal issues...take a scroll through my previous posts today in this thread. I am sickened by the fact that Bill Cosby is free...but I don't blame his lawyers for doing their jobs. I blame the situation that caused that legal technicality to exist.
    Ego, usually there's little that you and I would agree about, but:

    However, I do applaud you for understanding the issue here. You can't talk about 'justice' when the prosecutor lied to the accused, saying he'd give him immunity for testimony in instance X, and then goes back on the deal to get a conviction in bigger case Y. Maybe the prosecutor set it up on purpose to get a more 'sure' conviction in the bigger case? He said/she said cases are known for being hard to convict, but if you can use the accused one's own words, especially when said accused own's words were said when he thought he had immunity for it? Yeah, that's what the decision was about. That's a BAD precedent, imo.

    To me, that IS a bigger societal issue.

    That could have been done to someone innocent, and probably *is* done too much, so highlighting this behavior is a good thing. I think.

    Cosby? Well, he's done. Maybe he's going home, but he's not going home a hero of any sort, and what he does have left probably won't be a lot better despite that he'll have longer to live...maybe.

    Have a good day, and I'll move on and not darken your door anymore this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agm114r View Post
    Ego, usually there's little that you and I would agree about, but:

    However, I do applaud you for understanding the issue here. You can't talk about 'justice' when the prosecutor lied to the accused, saying he'd give him immunity for testimony in instance X, and then goes back on the deal to get a conviction in bigger case Y. Maybe the prosecutor set it up on purpose to get a more 'sure' conviction in the bigger case? He said/she said cases are known for being hard to convict, but if you can use the accused one's own words, especially when said accused own's words were said when he thought he had immunity for it? Yeah, that's what the decision was about. That's a BAD precedent, imo.
    The prosecutor didn't lie. A previous prosecutor made the deal, which wasn't written down btw, and the next prosecutor decided to move forward with criminal charges. And it wasn't any kind of cut and dried situation - it literally took the final appellate court to reverse it, and that decision was split.

    Quote Originally Posted by agm114r View Post
    Cosby? Well, he's done. Maybe he's going home, but he's not going home a hero of any sort, and what he does have left probably won't be a lot better despite that he'll have longer to live...maybe.
    Cosby is in the hell he deserves. By all accounts he's blind and slipping deeply into senility, including having to be reminded that his daughter is dead, because he continues to forget. So he gets that dark hell every other day or so.

    Plus, let's also remember Cosby is guilty - the technicality that let him out didn't exonerate him of his confession. Remember, his lawyers aren't saying "innocent!" they are saying "treat him fairly".

    And it's worse, too, because he's black. There is an enormous divide in the black community because of the historic and modern mistreatment of blacks in the justice system. Him getting released is being celebrated and vilified at the same time - shit is fucking convoluted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    Here is an explanation of why he is free, coming from an actual lawyer. It is in 3 parts but they are short.

    [click the here to see the clips]
    This is actually a terrific summary for those that haven't followed the case closely or don't know/care about the legal minutiae/technicalities involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    Apparently, he is very senile. Read that he keeps forgetting his daughter is dead, only having to re-learn and re-cope with the fact, over and over again. Chances are, that he barely even remembers his crimes in the past, or even comprehend them anymore.
    Yeah, so senile that he's planning to go out on a comedy tour.

    You're falling for court theatrics.

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