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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by Frontenac View Post
    When you look at the history of Númenor, especially in its waning years, you definitely get a GoTs vibe. You have brothers backstabbing eachother, factions fighting eachother and a man that usurps his cousin and marries her against her will to become King. Imagine the wedding night... And there's some scheming involved with Sauron, who could very well be portrayed, at first, like some kind of Littlefinger, manipulating Ar-Pharazôn. Also, what they were doing in Middle Earth was not very charitable either...

    It's not the nudity that worries me with the show. It's that little info I've found on its wiki page.



    I mean, how can they make the best TV show about the Second Age without having the rights to use contents from The Silmarillion or the Unfinished Tales? If the Tolkien Estate really wants to protect Tolkien's work, shouldn't they give access to all the pertinent material available so that Amazon can make the best possible show? How can they write a good story out of only the scraps we get in LotR and its appendices? I mean, what we get in Akallabeth is already sketchy, but it's still more material than the few events mentionned in the appendices from LotR.
    The Second Age is already the most obscure era of the setting (barring the Fourth I guess) so it would indeed be weird to hamstring them even more. Plus the setting won't be that recognizable; there's no Rohan at all, no Gondor or Arnor until the closing days of the Age, nothing happens in the Shire (which is how the Hobbits like it, obviously, but still), the Dwarves and Elves get along fine in Eregion, Moria isn't a shithole yet, the Ents are busy herding trees, so on and so forth. Numenor would be interesting to explore but it's the only part of the Age that actually IS covered fairly extensively by the Appendices so we're SOL there as well I guess.
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  2. #182
    Quote Originally Posted by Frontenac View Post
    And from what I read, they are not even allowed to use Akallabeth and Unfinished Tales.
    That bit was proven not to be the case when they teased the second age maps based on stuff from unfinished tales. Seemingly it's more that they're only allowed to portray second age stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    The Second Age is already the most obscure era of the setting (barring the Fourth I guess) so it would indeed be weird to hamstring them even more. Plus the setting won't be that recognizable; there's no Rohan at all, no Gondor or Arnor until the closing days of the Age, nothing happens in the Shire (which is how the Hobbits like it, obviously, but still), the Dwarves and Elves get along fine in Eregion, Moria isn't a shithole yet, the Ents are busy herding trees, so on and so forth. Numenor would be interesting to explore but it's the only part of the Age that actually IS covered fairly extensively by the Appendices so we're SOL there as well I guess.
    There is even no Hobbits in what will be the Shire yet. What you are saying will depend on which period of the Second Age they will cover. I mean Tar-Aldarion was already helping the Elves of Middle Earth against Sauron. The Rings of Power were forged during the second millenium, and there was a first war against Sauron during that period. Eregion, Celebrimbor's country, has been devastated and Khazad-Dûm's western gate was shot for good. The Númenorians arrived just in time to push back Sauron over the Misty Mountains. It is then that Imladris/Rivendell has been made the Last Homely House west of the Misty Mountain and that Elrond received one of the Elven Rings. If the story is set in the third or fourth millenium, then Dwarves and Elves are not getting along fine in Eregion anymore, the Ents probably lost their Ent-wives and the Númenorians are building strongholds in Middle Earth first to help the people there and later to oppress and exploit them. Personally, I would like to see Ar-Pharazôn, Elendil, Isildur and Anarion and the War of the Last Alliance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uthan View Post
    That bit was proven not to be the case when they teased the second age maps based on stuff from unfinished tales. Seemingly it's more that they're only allowed to portray second age stuff.
    I hope you're right, but it is kinda the trade mark of the Tolkien Estate. Like in the Hobbit trilogy when Gandalf made an obscure reference to the blue wizards without naming them because the Tolkien Estate did not allow Jackson to reference anything from the Silmarillion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    While I concede the plausibility of the former, the latter however? Where was this at in the books?
    It's a distant prequel to the books, last I heard, like 1000 years before or something.

  5. #185
    Quote Originally Posted by Frontenac View Post
    I hope you're right, but it is kinda the trade mark of the Tolkien Estate. Like in the Hobbit trilogy when Gandalf made an obscure reference to the blue wizards without naming them because the Tolkien Estate did not allow Jackson to reference anything from the Silmarillion.
    Afaik the Tolkien estate weren't super happy of the making of the movies in the first place though? The rights had been sold off decades before, and by the time of the Hobbit there was a legal battle between the Tolkien Estate and the movie makers over a royalty dispute I think it was (?), so makes sense they wouldn't be very keen to allow more than what was strictly required.

    Whereas here the rights have been directly negotiated with the estate, and it'd be super silly if they'd refuse such important parts of the second age material to be used (All of the Mariner's Wife story, on Galadriel and Celeborn, loads of extra info on Numenor and its culture, etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by VinceVega View Post
    And i don't say they should put the focus on it. Just that the existence of it in the tvshow, even if there is a respectfull sex scene, doesn't inherently make the show bad.
    but why put a sex scene when there is none in his work? is literally the problem we are discussing, is an unnecessary thing to get GoT revenue, lot don't rely on those things, is literally pointless and if they re up to that, it may end inherently bad,
    On a side note but in the same line: I am also for making it more bloody. Not spartacus bloody. And not blood for the sake of blood. Because for all its wars, LotR never had real impact, in regards to its soldiers, in its wars. There are two points were i felt sad in fights. Boromirs and Haldirs deaths. The rest were ragdoll deaths i did not care about. But i can live without it as the whole premise was more about heroism than the horrors of war and maybe be the wrong universe to adress it.
    just like it don't need to rely sext scenes and it don't need to be bloody to be good, like we are saying it goes against the premise of tolkien to do something focused on the story, on the heroism and being "epic".

    Same ay we don't cut the sex and the bloody scenes from GoT because those are fundamental parts of the stoty.

  7. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    As said multiple times in this thread: It won't be. It will be a series spanning the second age and not what happened in the Peter Jackson films. OP should probably update his first post as it is from 2018 when that info wasn't revealed.
    Oh, then perhaps... As long as they don't turn it into the softcore porn that was GOT for easy pandering to the lowest common denominator, I might give it a chance...

    New characters and a fresh story so far back might be interesting, actually! Was afraid they'd just remake the movies in a tv show format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Fuck amazon...the last thing I want to see in lotr is dwarven ass.
    well Amazon is also making a LOTR MMORPG(Rumor has it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    No, this is a problem you have created and, seemingly, accepted it happening as a known fact.
    putting something that does not exist in the books/are not portrayed just to pander the GoT fanbase is a problem, you liking or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    As I said, this is a problem you've created yourself and simply accepted that there will be sex scenes when all you have is a casting call that supposedly says "must be ok with nudity." You've jumped right to sex scenes in your mind and decided they're happening. This is a you issue.
    yeah dude, i create myself, is not like saw this same shit before, and the hobbit was criticized exactly for those things.

    Like we are saying here, we are discussing possibilities, if don't happen great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    As I said, this is a problem you've created yourself and simply accepted that there will be sex scenes when all you have is a casting call that supposedly says "must be ok with nudity." You've jumped right to sex scenes in your mind and decided they're happening. This is a you issue.
    Amazon Studios has hired Jennifer Ward-Lealand, a respected intimacy coordinator whose job it is to oversee sex and nudity scenes and ensure that everyone is comfortable during filming.
    This combined with the fact that they're casting people who must be okay with nudity makes it seem pretty unambiguous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerovar View Post
    This combined with the fact that they're casting people who must be okay with nudity makes it seem pretty unambiguous.
    Apparently those reports may not be really accurate. There's some misinformation regarding the whole thing. There's a good video/discussion here

    https://www.reddit.com/r/LOTR_on_Pri...me_of_thrones/

  13. #193
    So you're saying the internet overreacted to something that isn't even in production yet?

    Color me shocked.

  14. #194
    Quote Originally Posted by Greyfang View Post
    Apparently those reports may not be really accurate. There's some misinformation regarding the whole thing. There's a good video/discussion here

    https://www.reddit.com/r/LOTR_on_Pri...me_of_thrones/
    I'm going to look into that. Thanks.

  15. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    So you're saying the internet overreacted to something that isn't even in production yet?

    Color me shocked.
    Well, the guy's not an authority or anything, he's just pointing out that that GoT connection is basically nothing more than clickbait.

    With the original context of Bezos's request/orders, it could just as easily apply to something like The Boys (which seems to have blown up recently...or maybe I just wasn't paying attention before now).

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  18. #198
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post


    Pretty first look.
    The sunlight compositing looks pretty bad. Also the image is really devoid of color and looks really grey. Where are the vivid colors? Elrond and Galadriel wore rings which preserved the color and beauty of their sanctuaries.

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    It seems that those are the Two Trees of Valinor. Image is still dull, though.

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    Why does this image look so generic to me? Can't quite put my finger on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Pretty first look.
    Hmf...



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