Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Shadowferal]

He also had a fetish for folklore and self invented languages. Hobbits and elves aren't history based. It's funny people get triggered because they see a woman fighting. WoMaN sTrOnK.

And we saw how many fighting among the Rohirrim?

[MCMLXXXII]

And we saw how many fighting among the Rohirrim?

So the Rohirrim had male fighters. And that means no single race or tribe in the history of Middle Earth ever had female warriors?

Funny, now you mention it, Eowyn was a prime example of female empowerment.

[Xath]

So the Rohirrim had male fighters. And that means no single race or tribe in the history of Middle Earth ever had female warriors?

Funny, now you mention it, Eowyn was a prime example of female empowerment.

Yes and it would take away rather significantly from her arc if she wasn't riding in the face of tradition and was instead just being protected because family.

[Shadowferal]

So the Rohirrim had male fighters. And that means no single race or tribe in the history of Middle Earth ever had female warriors? Funny, now you mention it, Eowyn was a prime example of female empowerment.

Yes. A statement. And why did that statement have to be made in the first place?

[MCMLXXXII]

Yes. A statement. And why did that statement have to be made in the first place?

Because the ROHIRRIM only let men fight?
Not because no woman ever in the history of middle earth picked up a sword.

[Shadowferal]

Because the ROHIRRIM only let men fight? Not because no woman ever in the history of middle earth picked up a sword.

Male chauvinism was extant, was this a surprise?

[minteK917]

Damn people forgot how the witch king was defeated in his movies, Jackson was woke as hell lol. To be honest the only thing that I think is lame, is removing the fact dwarf women have beards. Oh and the abundance of buzz cuts... it looks so out of place. Rest looks fine.

[Shadowferal]

Damn people forgot how the witch king was defeated in his movies, Jackson was woke as hell lol.

Not Jackson. Tolkien.
He wrote the story as the Witch King's unpleasant surprise, since it was never thought a woman would ever confront him, especially on a field of battle. And I'm sure "race" wasn't an issue. Quite an oversight on the elves' and dwarves' part.

[BigToast]

Damn people forgot how the witch king was defeated in his movies, Jackson was woke as hell lol.

Also one of the main themes in the trilogy was inclusivity. Men, dwarves, elves and hobbits had to put aside their differences and work together to defeat a great evil. Super woke and super liberal, sorry contards.

[MCMLXXXII]

Also one of the main themes in the trilogy was inclusivity. Men, dwarves, elves and hobbits had to put aside their differences and work together to defeat a great evil. Super woke and super liberal, sorry contards.

Yeah very inclusive but not wOmAn StRoNk

[Dhrizzle]

Also one of the main themes in the trilogy was inclusivity. Men, dwarves, elves and hobbits had to put aside their differences and work together to defeat a great evil. Super woke and super liberal, sorry contards.

Wait until people find out elves canonically use gender-neutral pronouns.

[Biomega]

Yeah very inclusive but not wOmAn StRoNk

IDK if it counts as "wOmAn StRoNk", but Tolkien very much intended for Galadriel to be a savagely OP badass. Doesn't quite come out in LotR because her time has passed at that point (and she intentionally RENOUNCES power) but she'd always been pretty damn powerful. And he wanted to make her even more so in additional stories, he just didn't get around to it.

If RoP makes her into a mow-down valkyrie type of character, that really isn't straying far from Tolkien's intent.

[Xath]

Damn people forgot how the witch king was defeated in his movies, Jackson was woke as hell lol. To be honest the only thing that I think is lame, is removing the fact dwarf women have beards. Oh and the abundance of buzz cuts... it looks so out of place. Rest looks fine.

That's from Tolkien not Jackson. If he was vulnerable to women but had been considered nigh invincible do you think that might mean that women combatants were near non existent since you know one would have killed him by then especially considering the prophecy. That said the Barrow Blade also played a role but can't really talk about that when that whole segment is cut.

[s_bushido]

That's from Tolkien not Jackson. If he was vulnerable to women but had been considered nigh invincible do you think that might mean that women combatants were near non existent since you know one would have killed him by then especially considering the prophecy. That said the Barrow Blade also played a role but can't really talk about that when that whole segment is cut.

"Do not pursue him! He will not return to this land. Far off yet is his doom, and not by the hand of man will he fall."

Said an elf, to a man. Thousands of years after the fall of Numenor. Why would anyone assume that meant "he was vulnerable to women?" It could have just as easily meant that he'd die at the hands of a hobbit...or an orc...or a dwarf...or a cat.

[Zodiark]

Stealing a comment from Reddit:


But Legolas had flowing golden hair and a fair complexion, so it was a perfectly respectful no-scope sniping.

Flowing golden hair and fair complexion is a trait of the elves in general. The fact that he has lived thousands of years and practiced till his aim was flawless is why he is able to do what he does with a bow. NOT because the author is trying to say golden haired white people are just naturally better than anyone else. Tolkien created these stories as a way to create a lost Anglo Saxon themed mythos that was all but destroyed during the early period of that part of the world due to the sheer amount of violence and war.

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I'm gonna have to call you out on this...because you aren't waiting for the show to be released and finding the "multitude of reasons" before condemning this project.

I'll call you back out then, because If you read carefully I am not condemning this show on face value. I'm just stating that shows in the past have failed for my aforementioned reasons. If this show is good and does well then more power to it. I think though that the reasoning for injecting social politics into shows is because the powers that be just assume based on whatever metrics they are following that the majority of normie white folks out there are already hooked and will go along with anything regardless, so they are trying to squeeze the lemon for those drops of juice that are left behind. Eg, all the other demographics. Todays movies and shows aren't aimed at target audiences and fans anymore, they are aimed at EVERYONE.

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No-one has said that the lady with bleached hair is Sauron, at the moments best bets are saying she's some sort of preacher for the cult of Morgoth or Sauron. However that doesn't mean she isn't Sauron, at this point he was more like a malign presence on the land and took many forms to spread evil.

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What political goals, are you expecting this film to be a cry for universal healthcare or lower taxes or something?

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Sorry what are the "explicitly stated" gender relations of Numenor in the Second Age, where are they written? I can make suppositions based on how elvish society is organised and the fact Numenoreans are "high men" who are elevated close to the Eldar in nature but I don't know anything concrete.

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You should at least read a little more carefully. The "knights" are not "knights" in a feudal sense but "knights" in a "special warrior class" sense, the fealty isn't to Denethor as liege-lord it is too Gondor as a land. These make Gondor very different to feudal Europe. Also the Hobbit's name isn't Pippin, it's Razar. Pippin is the translation from Westron to Old English.

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They're obviously making it for old fans (by which I mean fans of Tolkien, not fans of internet drama and opportunistic YouTubers) and for people who may not have experienced anything related to his work, like potentially anyone born within the last 20-30 years.

Anyone who is actually a fan of Tolkien, and especially the huge Tolkien nerds who understand the crazy amount of stuff that exists outside of the stories he wrote and published, should be happy that his work is being made relevant for a new time as that is how myths stay alive. And of course the original books and notes will always exist and a series created for a modern audience will be a platform for new fans to get into his original works.

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There are dozens of examples of Jackson deviating from the books in ways that severely changed the deep lore, the characters or the overall message. Probably the most egregious thing is swapping Tolkien's message of "war is awful and terrible and really, really bad" to " war is awesome and cool if you have a big enough special effects budget." That's probably why Christopher Tolkien derided them as "action movies for 15-25 year olds."

To me your just mincing words and messages at this point. The main overall theme and characters were all more or less respected by Peter Jackson based on Tolkiens works. I never watched those movies and though was was cool if you had a big enough budget. Big budget movie just are able to portray battles on the big screen better. If YOU think it's cool then that's on you. I was watching those movies in my late 20's to early 30's, It made me see the fight of good vs evil, and how a people can unite to drive back oppressive conquerors. I felt despair when the armies of Mordor came rumbling across the fields. I then felt pangs of relief when somehow despite all odds goodness prevailed and overcame.

But if you wan't to go into how peter Jackson changed the LOTR or deviated then lets take a little peek.
He shortened the beginning timeline. This is a good thing as it helped with the pacing. It still did the job but cut out some of the fluff.
He made Aragorn a reluctant hero. Unlike the original where he was more keen to one day fight Sauron, and accepted his fate as the eventual king of Gondor.
Tom Bombadil Being removed. This was more or less something Tolkien himself never got around to addressing from an older style format of episodic side adventures.
Peter Jackson devised a Bond-style opening that delivered all relevant information, while simultaneously getting the viewer hooked. He managed to introduce Sauron, Elrond, Isildur, the Ring and Gollum without leaving people completely flummoxed by all the ridiculous and hard to pronounce names.
Although the book Merry & Pippin are fairly similar in age, they're somewhat less naive and silly, than their film counterparts.
When it came to designing the orcs and goblins of Middle Earth, Peter Jackson felt it was necessary to have very defined sub categories. Rather than just having a generic ramble of foul looking creatures throughout.

These changes were made smartly to make the story more cinematic, NOT to inject the director or producers personal political messages into it.

[Rennadrel]

Damn people forgot how the witch king was defeated in his movies, Jackson was woke as hell lol. To be honest the only thing that I think is lame, is removing the fact dwarf women have beards. Oh and the abundance of buzz cuts... it looks so out of place. Rest looks fine.

The buzzcut and fade look is another thing that irked the shit out of me about the WoT show. Do people not realize that in fantasy settings that don't have electricity, it's pretty damn difficult to have hairstyles like that? And even more so when you are a traveler spending your life on the road. Odds are you won't find a barber for weeks on end, and it'd be pretty commonplace for people to generally have longer hair, even men.

[MCMLXXXII]

I guess I missed the point when you needed electricity for a shaving knife.

[Spiffums]

The costume design keeps getting worse. The (man)boobplate + painted on scale armor is exceptional. I also don't understand why they are turning Tar-Míriel into a warrior character when there is no basis for this... "fairer than silver or ivory or pearls" indeed.

Moob armor makes me think of the Batsuit with nipples.

[s_bushido]

Moob armor makes me think of the Batsuit with nipples.

I mean...it's a thing. A nation at the height of its power/arrogance/decadence outfitting its soldiers with a design of armor traditionally shown being worn by "generals, emperors, and deities" doesn't seem that strange. Especially since it's pretty clear they're going for some sort of Mediterranean influence with Numenor's designs.

They could have gone full gigachad and given them ridiculous armored codpieces.

[Rennadrel]

Moob armor makes me think of the Batsuit with nipples.

Pretty sure I saw a Shadiversity video where he talked about it because some weirdos were whining about boob armor in The Mandalorian on Twitter.