Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[bledgor]

Latest trailer it's weird. It's clearly had a lot of money put into it. But it does look very fake and cheap. If they had everyone except galadriel roll around in the mud before shooting it might not be so bad. Its like a rich person's house where everything is clean and nothing looks lived in

Its the modern day issue of Hollywood where they abuse CGI and don't use enough real sets/real locations with CGI elements to enhance (its original purpose). Most tv shows and movies today have this issue in my opinion.

[s_bushido]

yay woke garbage, taking a shit on european heritage and history LotR was based/inspired by. middle-earth being ethnically new york. lmao. can't wait to have "girls get it done" forced moment and some racism allegory, maybe Gorg Floydoth, a black elf killed by h*mans.

I hate that activists are nowadays in movie/tv industry, ruining stuff for normal people with their agendas.

"We've already decided it's garbage because we think it's not normal to have brown people in the show, but we're not racist, guys! We swear!"

[InfiniteCharger]

The only people trying to bring racial relations into this are the people who can't see dark skinned people in a fantasy world without demanding an explanation (or claiming that they simply don't belong).

That is blatantly false because the people who made this show said this is why they are doing it:






All of these statements are basically implying that Tolkien himself was racist for not including x group of people in his story, when that has never been a requirement ever for any writer at any point of time in history. They are basically claiming that portraying 'black dwarves' in Tolkien and specifically in Tolkien, is the achievement in itself. Why? Why do we need to see that? Why can they not write their own fantasy story with whatever kind of characters they want in it? Because they want to have the prestige of Tolkien without actually doing Tolkien and this is just an attempt to use diversity as justification for changing Tolkien's lore. There is no justification. If that wasn't part of the story, it wasn't part of the story and that's that and you cannot retroactively change what Tolkien wrote because he is dead and it doesn't represent what he wanted. If you want to make these changes then fine, but don't call it Tolkien, don't call it an "improvement" to Tolkien or any such thing. That is what gets people upset because people all over the world were just fine with what he wrote as is. It is not racist. That is just a fact.

Not to mention this actress is not the first black British woman to star in an American entertainment production. She is not groundbreaking for that and there were a whole lot of black British actresses promoting movies and television series at SDCC 2022.

[Radeghost]

"We've already decided it's garbage because we think it's not normal to have brown people in the show, but we're not racist, guys! We swear!"

Go to Game of Thrones thread and find 100 pages of shitstorm about actors skin color, I dare you. There were brown and black people in Game of Thrones. There was no drama. You know why? That's because HBO didn't hire activists that treat Westeros like USA. They had an ounce of intelligence and basic knowledge, and as world of ASOIAF is a planet with climate, peoples of certain races live in certain places. Children of the Forest had green skin, all of them. They didn't put Asian or Black Children of the Forest, because they were busy creating a show, not shoving an agenda.

But of course you, and other activists, don't care as long as all boxes are ticked.

[Specialka]

"We've already decided it's garbage because we think it's not normal to have brown people in the show, but we're not racist, guys! We swear!"

Can you explain why it seems that there is only 1 black elf and 1 black female dwarf (and a princess to boot)?

[Jinpachi]

I know, I read the books. Which I also enjoyed. And I still can say that more representation is still a good thing.

In other news, I really hope the show does well so we can get a "The Children of Hurin" spinnoff show/movie set during the first age from Amazon. That story was the best one Tolkien ever wrote <3.

forced representation isn't. Alienating the majority of people who actually pay for the services isn't a good thing. Get woke, go broke.

[Radeghost]

forced representation isn't. Alienating the majority of people who actually pay for the services isn't a good thing. Get woke, go broke.

I still haven't read a single comprehensive article about why is representation that important. Are people really like "wow, there are not enough non-binary transmasculine people in this World War II documentary, I'm not watching it"?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Can you explain why it seems that there is only 1 black elf and 1 black female dwarf (and a princess to boot)?

The show isn't out yet to give us a wider view on the racial break up and they instead focus on major characters in trailers and promos?

[Adamas102]

yay woke garbage, taking a shit on european heritage and history LotR was based/inspired by. middle-earth being ethnically new york. lmao.

Oh man, it's going to be shocking when you step outside your basement and realize that Europeans (and British people specifically) aren't all white...

[Radeghost]

Oh man, it's going to be shocking when you step outside your basement and realize that Europeans aren't all white...

Oh man, it's going to be shocking when you discover that Middle-Earth isn't based on XXI century Europe.

[InfiniteCharger]

Ya, no.

We have had plenty of shows and movies where there isn’t even a source material for it to be based off on and they get all the same complaints like clock work, see any recent starwars for an example.

What you said doesn't even make sense, because we are talking about something that has a whole mythology, genealogy, languages, cartography and history written for it well beyond the actual novels. This show is literally supposed to be Tolkien's work that he never wrote, according to the showrunners. This has nothing to do with anything else.


Not to mention this is the actual folkore and mythology Tolkien drew on:

In Germanic folklore, including Germanic mythology, a dwarf is an entity that dwells in the mountains and in the earth. The entity is associated with wisdom, smithing, mining, and crafting. Dwarfs are sometimes described as short and ugly. However, some scholars have questioned whether this is a later development stemming from comical portrayals of the beings.[1] Dwarfs continue to be depicted in modern popular culture in various media.

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Norse mythology provides different origins for the beings, as recorded in the Poetic Edda (compiled in the 13th century from earlier traditional sources) and the Prose Edda (written by Snorri Sturluson in the 13th century). The Poetic Edda poem Völuspá details that the dwarfs were the product of the primordial blood of the being Brimir and the bones of Bláinn (generally considered to be different names for the primordial being Ymir). The Prose Edda, however, describes dwarfs as beings similar to maggots that festered in the flesh of Ymir before being gifted with reason by the gods. The Poetic Edda and Prose Edda contain over 100 dwarf names, while the Prose Edda gives the four dwarfs Norðri, Suðri, Austri and Vestri (Old Norse 'North, South, East, and West') a cosmological role: they hold up the sky. In addition, scholars have noted that the Svartálfar (Old Norse 'black elves') appear to be the same beings as dwarfs, given that both are described in the Prose Edda as the residents of Svartálfaheimr.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_(folklore)

So the Germans were racist then?

[s_bushido]

Can you explain why it seems that there is only 1 black elf and 1 black female dwarf (and a princess to boot)?

Even assuming that there are only one of each, based on the few minutes of footage that we've actually seen, it could be something as simple as the same reason Drizzt has purple eyes when the rest of his race has red: because the author wanted them to. Or it could be something as simple as why there are white lions: it's simply a rare trait of the species.

Can you explain why a black person needs to justify their presence in a piece of media?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

What you said doesn't even make sense, because we are talking about something that has a whole mythology, genealogy, languages, cartography and history written for it well beyond the actual novels. This show is literally supposed to be Tolkien's work that he never wrote, according to the showrunners. This has nothing to do with anything else.

Go re read the first post you quoted and tell me where I was only taking about Tolkiens work.

[Radeghost]

Can you explain why a black person needs to justify their presence in a piece of media?

Because it needs to make sense.

Just like for white people. A white man has to justify his presence in Harad. Why would a white man be native to Harad? Or let's go to Marvel, would it be good for Wakanda to randomly have whites and asians with no explanation?

[SirDjord]

If producers and big corportation are so set on pushing messages and diversity then why don't they make their own fantasy show? Tolkien based his work on Medevial England/Northern Europe naturally the characters and their appearence reflect that. Make your own fantasy based upon the demographics of NY city (who's stopping you?) if thats what want, but don't come and change and force you're politics on someone elses hard work.



I guess everyone knows that Anne Bolyn was secretly of Sub-saharan descent

[Specialka]

The show isn't out yet to give us a wider view on the racial break up and they instead focus on major characters in trailers and promos?

Wanna bet that they will be alone as PoC ? And that why there are PoC in people that were never PoC won't be explained ?

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Even assuming that there are only one of each, based on the few minutes of footage that we've actually seen, it could be something as simple as the same reason Drizzt has purple eyes when the rest of his race has red: because the author wanted them to. Or it could be something as simple as why there are white lions: it's simply a rare trait of the species.

Can you explain why a black person needs to justify their presence in a piece of media?

That is how you would explain that ? What a shitty writer you would be

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Wanna bet that they will be alone as PoC ? And that why there are PoC in people that were never PoC won't be explained ?

Ya Ill absolutely bet that they wont be the only POC and that they got some POC extras/minor characters as well as well.

[Specialka]

Ya Ill absolutely bet that they wont be the only POC and that they got some POC extras/minor characters as well as well.

And a decent explanation why we have PoC in a people that was known to be white ?

[Radeghost]

And a decent explanation why we have PoC in a people that was known to be white ?

They are also race swapping existing characters in other media, such as KOTOR remake, where a white guy was changed to a black woman (according to that big leak that is 90% proven true)

[Triceron]

hans christian andersen?

based on his writing the characters of hansel and gretel are portrayed as being your children, one male, one female, both of them are white, both of them are stereotypical of the region of where the author was from (denmark), meaning that they would have been fairly pale and likely blonde haired with blue or brown eyes.

200 years later, lets take this fairy tale and 'have it depict what our modern day looks like' instead of stereotypically scandinavian children, they have been race swapped into african american children, because we all know that black people outside of the USA wouldn't work, and instead of finding a witches cabin made of sweets, they find a crack house and become mules for the druglord (again taking the example to an extreme), how do you think people would react to this change? do you think people would be justified in their anger at having the original characters race swapped?

Adding druglords to a children's fable knowing that it's for children would be completely different issue from merely race swapping to an african american race.

And if you knew better, there's already a Hansel and Gretel 2021 adaptation that basically has race swapping.

https://www.awn.com/animationworld/h...ale-dark-grimm



It's definitely not as big of a problem as you try and make it be.