Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Orby]

No worries, Wheel of Time was last year.


(i'll see myself out)

As we all know this is 2020 part 3 :P

"I am Aragorn, son of Arathorn. I will claim the throne and save my people."

That was true in the books but not in the Peter Jackson films. For whatever reason, Jackson turned Aragorn from a confidant middle-aged man and leader ready to assume kingship and was actively involved in fighting against Sauron before the plot began, to being some lonely young fellow who sat around in a tavern and did nothing until the plot fell into his lap, and had self-doubt and tried worming his way out of responsibility.

That being said, there is no doubt that the Jackson films would absolutely be far closer to the spirit of the source material than... whatever this is.

Hot take John Hurts Aragon in Ralph Bakshi's animated Lord of the Rings (Not to be confused with the horrible Rankin/Bass version), was far better than viggo mortensen Aragon from Peter Jacksons Lord of the Rings.

John Hurts Arogon you believe was a king and heir to the throne. viggo mortensen's Arogon fits a ranger but doesnt come off very kingly.

Also the animated version gets too much hate, while it didn't do well (and the fact it is far from a great film) from an artistic standpoint its pretty creative and everyone has that old way of speaking that I just love. while I still love the Peter Jacksons Lord of the rings and it being my favourite adaptation of all time I still have a guiltily pleasure with this one. :P

[Val the Moofia Boss]

I loved Aragorn in the Ralph Bakshi movie. The orcs were also pretty scary too.

[Orby]

I loved Aragorn in the Ralph Bakshi movie. The orcs were also pretty scary too.

Despite how silly the movie is and can be, there are some lovely things to admire about it. Also fun fact Peter Jackson drew a lot of inspiration from the animated movie to make the live action one, and it shows.

[Steelangel]

I loved Aragorn in the Ralph Bakshi movie. The orcs were also pretty scary too.

The rotoscoping on the orcs gave them a weird alien aspect that made them a lot more terrifying when i was a kid, but they just look silly now.

[Forogil]

Except....that scene is book accurate. If it wasn't book accurate and the kill was stolen from someone else then people would complain. But it IS book accurate, so your just manufacturing a fictional complaint.

True, but there are some speculation that it isn't as simple as Éowyn killing the witch-king, but how much Merry's blade helped (that's also seen in the film scene, but about 2 pages later in the book). That leaves the fulfilment of the prophecy unclear: is it Éowyn as a woman - not man, or the dagger-maker as a not living man, or both?

[Koriani]

You will rarely have that in any major recognizable franchise from the 2010s onwards unless it's a small independent studio full of no-names.

Yea - no, bad writing has existed in tv and movies since the first ones were made. You don't need anything but people bad at writing - no matter their agenda, education, age, or time period.

Pandering exists because humans exist. Nothing to do with woke-ness.

Your statement is just silly. So full of your own bias to the point that you're ignoring reality. Bad tv and writing exist - no agenda needed or required.

But it is correct to say - the better the writing, the less you'll realize *any* agenda. But good writing like that, on tv and movies? THAT is a rare beast indeed.

Nynax:
Except....that scene is book accurate. If it wasn't book accurate and the kill was stolen from someone else then people would complain. But it IS book accurate, so your just manufacturing a fictional complaint

Forogil
True, but there are some speculation that it isn't as simple as Éowyn killing the witch-king, but how much Merry's blade helped (that's also seen in the film scene, but about 2 pages later in the book). That leaves the fulfilment of the prophecy unclear: is it Éowyn as a woman - not man, or the dagger-maker as a not living man, or both?

Maybe ya'll aren't old enough to remember - but people DID have a problem with Eowyn killing the witch-king in the movie. Even though it was 'true to source'. I very much remember the misogynist rage about that scene and trying to claim 'feminists' were messing up their Tolkien or whatever they were claiming. Just as stupid as it is now - but yea, people did complain.

(and sorry I don't know how to make it multi-quote multiple sources in a better format - that 'mulit quote button' at the bottom of posts doesn't seem to do anything lol)

[Nynax]

Maybe ya'll aren't old enough to remember - but people DID have a problem with Eowyn killing the witch-king in the movie. Even though it was 'true to source'. I very much remember the misogynist rage about that scene and trying to claim 'feminists' were messing up their Tolkien or whatever they were claiming. Just as stupid as it is now - but yea, people did complain.

yeah, I was nose deep in senior year of college back then. If it didn't relate to my workload I generally gave zero fucks, lol.

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True, but there are some speculation that it isn't as simple as Éowyn killing the witch-king, but how much Merry's blade helped (that's also seen in the film scene, but about 2 pages later in the book). That leaves the fulfilment of the prophecy unclear: is it Éowyn as a woman - not man, or the dagger-maker as a not living man, or both?

I think the scene works either way. whether or not it's because Éowyn is a woman doesn't matter much to her. In that moment it's a very understandable thing for someone in her position to say, she's just lucky it worked out.

We can contrast this to what the Wheel of Time show did to its characters. THAT is some woke bullshit.

[Tyris Flare]

Can forever point to Arcane as an amazing show with a diverse cast that no one complained about because it wasn't shoe-horned or forced, and most importantly because it had great writing and performances. People, by and large, aren't opposed to diversity or inclusion at all.

They are opposed to pandering and preachiness, especially when it is very transparent. If someone can't earnestly notice the difference between a shitty character like Rey and an excellent one like Vi, they are either fools or dishonest.

Really hope this is just well-written but there's sadly no reason to believe that, especially after the trashfire that is WoT.

[Rennadrel]

The ensemble cast includes Cynthia Addai-Robinson, Robert Aramayo, Owain Arthur, Maxim Baldry, Nazanin Boniadi, Morfydd Clark, Ismael Cruz Córdova, Charles Edwards, Trystan Gravelle, Sir Lenny Henry, Ema Horvath, Markella Kavenagh, Joseph Mawle, Tyroe Muhafidin, Sophia Nomvete, Lloyd Owen, Megan Richards, Dylan Smith, Charlie Vickers, Leon Wadham, Benjamin Walker, Daniel Weyman and Sara Zwangobani.

The cast is basically a bunch of literally, who?

I'm very much looking forward to watching this show implode of it's own hubris. Especially trying to retcon Tolkien's own work. Hobbits don't exist in his lore until 400 years after the time period this show is set to place, not to mention Hobbits are ethnically homogenous in his world, while the creators of whatever this tire fire is going to be decided to make Hobbits a bunch of diverse midgets.

[Orby]

Maybe ya'll aren't old enough to remember - but people DID have a problem with Eowyn killing the witch-king in the movie. Even though it was 'true to source'. I very much remember the misogynist rage about that scene and trying to claim 'feminists' were messing up their Tolkien or whatever they were claiming. Just as stupid as it is now - but yea, people did complain.

I was 24 when RotK came out and I don't remember anyone whining about Eowyn at least not in the context of sexism. The only negatives I remember from message boards and early forums sites back then was the purist LotR book readers who complained about certain scenes being mixed around and portrayals being way different than the books. I distinctly remember people not liking Viggo Morrisons Aragon very much. I don't remember any sexism in movies in general hardly at all back in the day, and I was getting into a lot of forums back then. Maybe it will depend on the circle we surrounded ourselves with, not saying it never existed of course sexism always has.

For me the real anti-women, anti-feminism, real right wing man child whiney, 'ma childhood' crowds, on the internet at least, really took off post Gamergate. At least thats when I finally noticed a lot of it, back in the day you maybe would notice one or two instances and people would turn and blind eye and get on with their day.

I suppose with the rise of Youtube and twitter has made peoples voices more louder and amplified alot of horrible people, so thats probably why. But back in the day, especially the early 2000's I don't remember anyone I know complaining about that scene. The cinema I was in I remember getting a positive reaction when Eowyn killing the witch-king. Especially on that "I am no man" line. would love to know what online social groups you were hearing so much sexism from.

[Shadowferal]

We have a lot of characters but not a lot of characterization. That's why I'm leery about the writers. After WoT and either hearing the excuses for the lack of, or worse, hearing "good enuff," a company paying that much money had damn well do better than mediocre. The writing needs to be superlative, and the characters need to live.
They have plenty of leeway in this regard.

[Sucralose]

I was 24 when RotK came out and I don't remember anyone whining about Eowyn at least not in the context of sexism. The only negatives I remember from message boards and early forums sites back then was the purist LotR book readers who complained about certain scenes being mixed around and portrayals being way different than the books. I distinctly remember people not liking Viggo Morrisons Aragon very much. I don't remember any sexism in movies in general hardly at all back in the day, and I was getting into a lot of forums back then. Maybe it will depend on the circle we surrounded ourselves with, not saying it never existed of course sexism always has.

For me the real anti-women, anti-feminism, real right wing man child whiney, 'ma childhood' crowds, on the internet at least, really took off post Gamergate. At least thats when I finally noticed a lot of it, back in the day you maybe would notice one or two instances and people would turn and blind eye and get on with their day.

I suppose with the rise of Youtube and twitter has made peoples voices more louder and amplified alot of horrible people, so thats probably why. But back in the day, especially the early 2000's I don't remember anyone I know complaining about that scene. The cinema I was in I remember getting a positive reaction when Eowyn killing the witch-king. Especially on that "I am no man" line. would love to know what online social groups you were hearing so much sexism from.

I wouldn't say people became louder or amplified as much as it became trendy to be outraged over really trivial and dumb things. Worse news networks or perhaps that is to distinguished a term... "information networks" on both sides always zero in on the absolute worst of each side. It is a way for corporations to divide an audience and get fools to fight for their them.

[Rennadrel]

Maybe ya'll aren't old enough to remember - but people DID have a problem with Eowyn killing the witch-king in the movie. Even though it was 'true to source'. I very much remember the misogynist rage about that scene and trying to claim 'feminists' were messing up their Tolkien or whatever they were claiming. Just as stupid as it is now - but yea, people did complain.

(and sorry I don't know how to make it multi-quote multiple sources in a better format - that 'mulit quote button' at the bottom of posts doesn't seem to do anything lol)

I'll take "Things that didn't happen" for $500, Alex.

Seriously, this didn't happen, and if it did, it was on some obscure forum on some site no one has ever heard of. People literally didn't give two squirts of piss about it, even the LOTR purists because it was canon.

[Syegfryed]

Any idea when a real trailer will pop out?

The teaser was well done, but it was a kinda let down after so much time waiting.

[Shadowferal]

Any idea when a real trailer will pop out? The teaser was well done, but it was a kinda let down after so much time waiting.

It releases September so maybe in the summer we'll see more of a substantial trailer.

[Syegfryed]

It releases September so maybe in the summer we'll see more of a substantial trailer.

I heard they are pushing to release in the day tolkien died, at some sort of "tribute", but it give some weird vibes.

[Frontenac]

So their intent is to tell the story of each of the Rings of Power? That could be interesting. That means we may learn more about each of ther bearers. Just think of the Nine. Who is the Witch King? Who was Khamûl, and each of the other Nazgûl? One could be from Númenor, another could be an Easterling (Khamül), another one could be from Far Harad, or Umbar, etc. Which means that we could see all these different places. And they can get somewhat creative about it, since Tolkien wrote so little about them. It will be fan fiction, of course, but I don't mind some creative speculation.

[Shadowferal]

So their intent is to tell the story of each of the Rings of Power? That could be interesting. That means we may learn more about each of ther bearers. Just think of the Nine. Who is the Witch King? Who was Khamûl, and each of the other Nazgûl? One could be from Númenor, another could be an Easterling (Khamül), another one could be from Far Harad, or Umbar, etc. Which means that we could see all these different places. And they can get somewhat creative about it, since Tolkien wrote so little about them. It will be fan fiction, of course, but I don't mind some creative speculation.

There are some details about the nine, but only Khamul was the only other named. The game from Ice Crown did detail the others being consistent with the source material and so often presented it wouldn't surprise me if they did get ICE on board. (The material was impressive!)

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[Deadite]

I will hope for the best but i think they are going to take a big old shit on the franchise.

[AntiFascistVoter]

I was 24 when RotK came out and I don't remember anyone whining about Eowyn at least not in the context of sexism. The only negatives I remember from message boards and early forums sites back then was the purist LotR book readers who complained about certain scenes being mixed around and portrayals being way different than the books. I distinctly remember people not liking Viggo Morrisons Aragon very much. I don't remember any sexism in movies in general hardly at all back in the day, and I was getting into a lot of forums back then. Maybe it will depend on the circle we surrounded ourselves with, not saying it never existed of course sexism always has.

For me the real anti-women, anti-feminism, real right wing man child whiney, 'ma childhood' crowds, on the internet at least, really took off post Gamergate. At least thats when I finally noticed a lot of it, back in the day you maybe would notice one or two instances and people would turn and blind eye and get on with their day.

I suppose with the rise of Youtube and twitter has made peoples voices more louder and amplified alot of horrible people, so thats probably why. But back in the day, especially the early 2000's I don't remember anyone I know complaining about that scene. The cinema I was in I remember getting a positive reaction when Eowyn killing the witch-king. Especially on that "I am no man" line. would love to know what online social groups you were hearing so much sexism from.

I thought it was that Eowyn was "too old" and not "Super model sexy" enough to be a real slayer of witch king.

Fearful of fanboi backlash, I remember the video games glamming up Shelob.



She's empowered now. /s