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    Careful, you use that enough times, and you'll have Tolkien be associated with the far right, or some other nonsense like milk, the OK sign or torches
    Is that a bad thing...?

    It drives off the worst elements if the cult declares it evil. Look at harry potter things got a lot less weirdly sexual once the tumblr crowd declared rowly a persona non grata

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jshadowhunter View Post
    Abandon hope... I never had it from the start, considering it's "the current year".
    This and the plot starts with riots because Minas Tirith guards killed yet another urukan-gondorian

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    The eagerly anticipated, multi-season drama is called The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power.

    As the name suggests, the story follows the forging of the original rings of power that allowed Sauron to spread darkness across Middle-earth.

    The Rings of Power unites all the major stories of Middle-earth’s Second Age: the forging of the rings, the rise of the Dark Lord Sauron, the epic tale of Númenor, and the Last Alliance of Elves and Men,” said showrunners J.D. Payne and Patrick McKay. “Until now, audiences have only seen onscreen the story of the One Ring — but before there was one, there were many … and we’re excited to share the epic story of them all.”

    This epic drama is set thousands of years before the events of J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, and will take viewers back to an era in which great powers were forged, kingdoms rose to glory and fell to ruin, unlikely heroes were tested, hope hung by the finest of threads, and the greatest villain that ever flowed from Tolkien’s pen threatened to cover all the world in darkness. Beginning in a time of relative peace, the series follows an ensemble cast of characters, both familiar and new, as they confront the long-feared reemergence of evil to Middle-earth. From the darkest depths of the Misty Mountains, to the majestic forests of the elf-capital of Lindon, to the breathtaking island kingdom of Númenor, to the furthest reaches of the map, these kingdoms and characters will carve out legacies that live on long after they are gone.”

    The Lord of the Rings is already considered the most expensive show of all time, with the first season costing an estimated $465 million. The production was mainly filmed in New Zealand. Then last fall, announced it was moving to the U.K.

    The ensemble cast includes Cynthia Addai-Robinson, Robert Aramayo, Owain Arthur, Maxim Baldry, Nazanin Boniadi, Morfydd Clark, Ismael Cruz Córdova, Charles Edwards, Trystan Gravelle, Sir Lenny Henry, Ema Horvath, Markella Kavenagh, Joseph Mawle, Tyroe Muhafidin, Sophia Nomvete, Lloyd Owen, Megan Richards, Dylan Smith, Charlie Vickers, Leon Wadham, Benjamin Walker, Daniel Weyman and Sara Zwangobani.

    The debut season of LOTR will premiere Friday, Sept. 2, on Prime Video and will air in 240 territories around the world. New episodes will be rolled out on a weekly basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    "I am Aragorn, son of Arathorn. I will claim the throne and save my people."

    That was true in the books but not in the Peter Jackson films. For whatever reason, Jackson turned Aragorn from a confidant middle-aged man and leader ready to assume kingship and was actively involved in fighting against Sauron before the plot began, to being some lonely young fellow who sat around in a tavern and did nothing until the plot fell into his lap, and had self-doubt and tried worming his way out of responsibility.

    That being said, there is no doubt that the Jackson films would absolutely be far closer to the spirit of the source material than... whatever this is.

    The dialogue and intent of the scene is very different in the book than what you got in the movie.
    All this pales in comparison to lack of Tom Bombadil in the movie. Largest downplay, imo

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    I'm not sold on the script writers McKay and Payne.
    But director Bayona is promising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nynax View Post
    No worries, Wheel of Time was last year.


    (i'll see myself out)
    As we all know this is 2020 part 3 :P

    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    "I am Aragorn, son of Arathorn. I will claim the throne and save my people."

    That was true in the books but not in the Peter Jackson films. For whatever reason, Jackson turned Aragorn from a confidant middle-aged man and leader ready to assume kingship and was actively involved in fighting against Sauron before the plot began, to being some lonely young fellow who sat around in a tavern and did nothing until the plot fell into his lap, and had self-doubt and tried worming his way out of responsibility.

    That being said, there is no doubt that the Jackson films would absolutely be far closer to the spirit of the source material than... whatever this is.
    Hot take John Hurts Aragon in Ralph Bakshi's animated Lord of the Rings (Not to be confused with the horrible Rankin/Bass version), was far better than viggo mortensen Aragon from Peter Jacksons Lord of the Rings.

    John Hurts Arogon you believe was a king and heir to the throne. viggo mortensen's Arogon fits a ranger but doesnt come off very kingly.

    Also the animated version gets too much hate, while it didn't do well (and the fact it is far from a great film) from an artistic standpoint its pretty creative and everyone has that old way of speaking that I just love. while I still love the Peter Jacksons Lord of the rings and it being my favourite adaptation of all time I still have a guiltily pleasure with this one. :P

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    I loved Aragorn in the Ralph Bakshi movie. The orcs were also pretty scary too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    I loved Aragorn in the Ralph Bakshi movie. The orcs were also pretty scary too.
    Despite how silly the movie is and can be, there are some lovely things to admire about it. Also fun fact Peter Jackson drew a lot of inspiration from the animated movie to make the live action one, and it shows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    I loved Aragorn in the Ralph Bakshi movie. The orcs were also pretty scary too.
    The rotoscoping on the orcs gave them a weird alien aspect that made them a lot more terrifying when i was a kid, but they just look silly now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nynax View Post
    Except....that scene is book accurate. If it wasn't book accurate and the kill was stolen from someone else then people would complain. But it IS book accurate, so your just manufacturing a fictional complaint.
    True, but there are some speculation that it isn't as simple as Éowyn killing the witch-king, but how much Merry's blade helped (that's also seen in the film scene, but about 2 pages later in the book). That leaves the fulfilment of the prophecy unclear: is it Éowyn as a woman - not man, or the dagger-maker as a not living man, or both?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jshadowhunter View Post
    You will rarely have that in any major recognizable franchise from the 2010s onwards unless it's a small independent studio full of no-names.
    Yea - no, bad writing has existed in tv and movies since the first ones were made. You don't need anything but people bad at writing - no matter their agenda, education, age, or time period.

    Pandering exists because humans exist. Nothing to do with woke-ness.

    Your statement is just silly. So full of your own bias to the point that you're ignoring reality. Bad tv and writing exist - no agenda needed or required.

    But it is correct to say - the better the writing, the less you'll realize *any* agenda. But good writing like that, on tv and movies? THAT is a rare beast indeed.

    Nynax:
    Except....that scene is book accurate. If it wasn't book accurate and the kill was stolen from someone else then people would complain. But it IS book accurate, so your just manufacturing a fictional complaint
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    True, but there are some speculation that it isn't as simple as Éowyn killing the witch-king, but how much Merry's blade helped (that's also seen in the film scene, but about 2 pages later in the book). That leaves the fulfilment of the prophecy unclear: is it Éowyn as a woman - not man, or the dagger-maker as a not living man, or both?
    Maybe ya'll aren't old enough to remember - but people DID have a problem with Eowyn killing the witch-king in the movie. Even though it was 'true to source'. I very much remember the misogynist rage about that scene and trying to claim 'feminists' were messing up their Tolkien or whatever they were claiming. Just as stupid as it is now - but yea, people did complain.

    (and sorry I don't know how to make it multi-quote multiple sources in a better format - that 'mulit quote button' at the bottom of posts doesn't seem to do anything lol)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koriani View Post
    Maybe ya'll aren't old enough to remember - but people DID have a problem with Eowyn killing the witch-king in the movie. Even though it was 'true to source'. I very much remember the misogynist rage about that scene and trying to claim 'feminists' were messing up their Tolkien or whatever they were claiming. Just as stupid as it is now - but yea, people did complain.
    yeah, I was nose deep in senior year of college back then. If it didn't relate to my workload I generally gave zero fucks, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    True, but there are some speculation that it isn't as simple as Éowyn killing the witch-king, but how much Merry's blade helped (that's also seen in the film scene, but about 2 pages later in the book). That leaves the fulfilment of the prophecy unclear: is it Éowyn as a woman - not man, or the dagger-maker as a not living man, or both?
    I think the scene works either way. whether or not it's because Éowyn is a woman doesn't matter much to her. In that moment it's a very understandable thing for someone in her position to say, she's just lucky it worked out.

    We can contrast this to what the Wheel of Time show did to its characters. THAT is some woke bullshit.

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    Can forever point to Arcane as an amazing show with a diverse cast that no one complained about because it wasn't shoe-horned or forced, and most importantly because it had great writing and performances. People, by and large, aren't opposed to diversity or inclusion at all.

    They are opposed to pandering and preachiness, especially when it is very transparent. If someone can't earnestly notice the difference between a shitty character like Rey and an excellent one like Vi, they are either fools or dishonest.

    Really hope this is just well-written but there's sadly no reason to believe that, especially after the trashfire that is WoT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    The ensemble cast includes Cynthia Addai-Robinson, Robert Aramayo, Owain Arthur, Maxim Baldry, Nazanin Boniadi, Morfydd Clark, Ismael Cruz Córdova, Charles Edwards, Trystan Gravelle, Sir Lenny Henry, Ema Horvath, Markella Kavenagh, Joseph Mawle, Tyroe Muhafidin, Sophia Nomvete, Lloyd Owen, Megan Richards, Dylan Smith, Charlie Vickers, Leon Wadham, Benjamin Walker, Daniel Weyman and Sara Zwangobani.
    The cast is basically a bunch of literally, who?

    I'm very much looking forward to watching this show implode of it's own hubris. Especially trying to retcon Tolkien's own work. Hobbits don't exist in his lore until 400 years after the time period this show is set to place, not to mention Hobbits are ethnically homogenous in his world, while the creators of whatever this tire fire is going to be decided to make Hobbits a bunch of diverse midgets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koriani View Post
    Maybe ya'll aren't old enough to remember - but people DID have a problem with Eowyn killing the witch-king in the movie. Even though it was 'true to source'. I very much remember the misogynist rage about that scene and trying to claim 'feminists' were messing up their Tolkien or whatever they were claiming. Just as stupid as it is now - but yea, people did complain.
    I was 24 when RotK came out and I don't remember anyone whining about Eowyn at least not in the context of sexism. The only negatives I remember from message boards and early forums sites back then was the purist LotR book readers who complained about certain scenes being mixed around and portrayals being way different than the books. I distinctly remember people not liking Viggo Morrisons Aragon very much. I don't remember any sexism in movies in general hardly at all back in the day, and I was getting into a lot of forums back then. Maybe it will depend on the circle we surrounded ourselves with, not saying it never existed of course sexism always has.

    For me the real anti-women, anti-feminism, real right wing man child whiney, 'ma childhood' crowds, on the internet at least, really took off post Gamergate. At least thats when I finally noticed a lot of it, back in the day you maybe would notice one or two instances and people would turn and blind eye and get on with their day.

    I suppose with the rise of Youtube and twitter has made peoples voices more louder and amplified alot of horrible people, so thats probably why. But back in the day, especially the early 2000's I don't remember anyone I know complaining about that scene. The cinema I was in I remember getting a positive reaction when Eowyn killing the witch-king. Especially on that "I am no man" line. would love to know what online social groups you were hearing so much sexism from.
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    We have a lot of characters but not a lot of characterization. That's why I'm leery about the writers. After WoT and either hearing the excuses for the lack of, or worse, hearing "good enuff," a company paying that much money had damn well do better than mediocre. The writing needs to be superlative, and the characters need to live.
    They have plenty of leeway in this regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    I was 24 when RotK came out and I don't remember anyone whining about Eowyn at least not in the context of sexism. The only negatives I remember from message boards and early forums sites back then was the purist LotR book readers who complained about certain scenes being mixed around and portrayals being way different than the books. I distinctly remember people not liking Viggo Morrisons Aragon very much. I don't remember any sexism in movies in general hardly at all back in the day, and I was getting into a lot of forums back then. Maybe it will depend on the circle we surrounded ourselves with, not saying it never existed of course sexism always has.

    For me the real anti-women, anti-feminism, real right wing man child whiney, 'ma childhood' crowds, on the internet at least, really took off post Gamergate. At least thats when I finally noticed a lot of it, back in the day you maybe would notice one or two instances and people would turn and blind eye and get on with their day.

    I suppose with the rise of Youtube and twitter has made peoples voices more louder and amplified alot of horrible people, so thats probably why. But back in the day, especially the early 2000's I don't remember anyone I know complaining about that scene. The cinema I was in I remember getting a positive reaction when Eowyn killing the witch-king. Especially on that "I am no man" line. would love to know what online social groups you were hearing so much sexism from.
    I wouldn't say people became louder or amplified as much as it became trendy to be outraged over really trivial and dumb things. Worse news networks or perhaps that is to distinguished a term... "information networks" on both sides always zero in on the absolute worst of each side. It is a way for corporations to divide an audience and get fools to fight for their them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koriani View Post
    Maybe ya'll aren't old enough to remember - but people DID have a problem with Eowyn killing the witch-king in the movie. Even though it was 'true to source'. I very much remember the misogynist rage about that scene and trying to claim 'feminists' were messing up their Tolkien or whatever they were claiming. Just as stupid as it is now - but yea, people did complain.

    (and sorry I don't know how to make it multi-quote multiple sources in a better format - that 'mulit quote button' at the bottom of posts doesn't seem to do anything lol)
    I'll take "Things that didn't happen" for $500, Alex.

    Seriously, this didn't happen, and if it did, it was on some obscure forum on some site no one has ever heard of. People literally didn't give two squirts of piss about it, even the LOTR purists because it was canon.

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    Any idea when a real trailer will pop out?

    The teaser was well done, but it was a kinda let down after so much time waiting.

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    Any idea when a real trailer will pop out? The teaser was well done, but it was a kinda let down after so much time waiting.
    It releases September so maybe in the summer we'll see more of a substantial trailer.

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