Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[AcidicSyn]

Actually, this touches on my main issue with this series. Legendary events of the past shrouded in the mists of time thrill us specifically because they are mysterious. The Pyramids in Egypt have long been fascinating because of their mysteriousness, the more we learned about them the less interesting and more mundane they became, while still impressive. Darth Vader was amazingly cool when we knew so little of how he came to be the way he was, the prequels ruined our image of him irrevocably. Try imagining Darth Vader now without remembering him also being a brat whining about sand in his asscrack.

Ancient events in Middle Earth are fascinating because we don't know exactly how they happened. By actually showing those events it takes away that mystique and we end up seeing them as just a thing that happened.

I don't want to see legends of the past brought to life, I'd prefer to see what comes afterward.

Oh I would absolutely LOVE to see fourth age. Get the old PJ actors back to show Pippin writing the red book of west march, Aragorn and Eomers wars in the east, and we cannot forget the best bromance to ever bromance, Legolas and Gimli traveling around Fangorn, AND THE GLITTERING CAVES. So effing much they could work with there and far more open to original stories than the second age is too.

But alas, we get a hyper compressed second age instead. I'll take what I can get.

[Lady Atia]

Oh I would absolutely LOVE to see fourth age. Get the old PJ actors back to show Pippin writing the red book of west march, Aragorn and Eomers wars in the east, and we cannot forget the best bromance to ever bromance, Legolas and Gimli traveling around Fangorn, AND THE GLITTERING CAVES. So effing much they could work with there and far more open to original stories than the second age is too.

But alas, we get a hyper compressed second age instead. I'll take what I can get.

Tolkien himself tried to write a 4th age sequel but to quote himself:

"I did begin a story placed about 100 years after the Downfall, but it proved both sinister and depressing. Since we are dealing with Men, it is inevitable that we should be concerned with the most regrettable feature of their nature: their quick satiety with good. So that the people of Gondor in times of peace, justice and prosperity, would become discontented and restless — while the dynasts descended from Aragorn would become just kings and governors — like Denethor or worse. I found that even so early there was an outcrop of revolutionary plots, about a centre of secret Satanistic religion; while Gondorian boys were playing at being Orcs and going around doing damage. I could have written a 'thriller' about the plot and its discovery and overthrow — but it would have been just that. Not worth doing."

So honestly, doing a fourth age story would actually go against what Tolkien wanted to do, as opposed to Amazon fleshing out the 2nd age.

In other news, HotD was pretty awesome today so Amazon really has to deliver now or they will lose the prequel-show-wars

[ClassicPeon]

Ahhh, right, random sprinkles that technically don't look distinct from the Harfoots or Numenoreans. I mean all of these folks just look like random "humans" from Middle Earth versus the distinct groups found in the books. Look at the harfoots and then look at these "southerners" and they just look the same really, Amazon made up generic characters with generic peasant costume. Where is the actual diversity in being able to distinguish these groups on any level? I mean you can distinguish clearly between Gandalf, dwarves, hobbits and elves in the books as examples of "diversity" in Middle Earth. This is just absurd at this point.

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People who are hyped about something like this would be talking about the costumes, potential easter eggs, potential plot points and characters yet to be revealed and speculate about what is actually going to happen based on the Lore. That isn't even really happening for this.

The only thing people seemed to be hyped about with this series is that its less of a historical fiction and more of a moderne day political agenda tribute.

[Triceron]

Fourth Age is like an extra long version of Extended Return of the King's ending.

[AcidicSyn]

Tolkien himself tried to write a 4th age sequel but to quote himself:



So honestly, doing a fourth age story would actually go against what Tolkien wanted to do, as opposed to Amazon fleshing out the 2nd age.

In other news, HotD was pretty awesome today so Amazon really has to deliver now or they will lose the prequel-show-wars

Well poo then, I'll just have to make do with all of the fanart renditions of the realm Gimli built, at the center of which was his crown jewel, 3 hairs inlaid in crystal, his own arkenstone. Listening to him talk to legolas about how lovingly he would shape those caves is still one my top 3 favorite parts of the trilogy.

Although.....unrelated to the thread topic, there is the "Return to Moria" themed survival-builder coming out later this year, I am desperately hoping that gives me a nice strong hit of that dwarven love.

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Fourth Age is like an extra long version of Extended Return of the King's ending.

Pretty much lol. Maybe don't even make a whole series about it, just a series of shorts showing those bits not covered in the PJ extended cuts. What tolkien was worried about certainly doesn't sound like the kinds of stories in the fourth age I'd want to see anyway for the same reasons he didn't like it. But those snippets immediately following the fall? sign me up. Hell give me a 15 minute sequence with zero dialogue of Samwise walking around the shire sprinkling fairy dust and planting the malorne and I'll find it charming and relaxing.

[Triceron]

Pretty much lol. Maybe don't even make a whole series about it, just a series of shorts showing those bits not covered in the PJ extended cuts.

I remember marathoning the extended versions in an afternoon with some friends one summer. With food breaks taken into account, we made it to the point where it was already pitch black outside when they destroyed the ring. And we're about to get ready to go home but the movie still had like an hour left to conclude after the ring had already been destroyed. So we're just sitting there mulling over whether to finish watching every character visit Frodo one by one, or just take off for the night.

Reading the bullet points for Fourth Age sounds like another hour or two of that lol.

[Frontenac]

hobbit's dwarfs and elves are all different races with different cultures and norms if the southerners are just suppose to be a group of Men and one that apparently didn't break off based on skin tone why would they have divides as big as whole different races instead of just having a uniform culture like the hobbits dwarfs and elves?

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Don't know if there is any basis for this within the actual works but if its where Mordor pops up and north of Harad it could be argued that theses are suppose to be the same people but Mordor popping up pushed them further south.

The Southlands are visibly part of what will become Mordor, south of the plains of Gorgoroth. But contrary to Gorgoroth, it is fertile and the people living there were enslaved by Sauron to produce the food needed for his armies. After Sauron's ultimate defeat, Aragorn freed the slaves and gave them back their land. They say in the clip that they chose the wrong side once, so they could be a remnant of the Easterlings who followed Morgoth during the First Age.

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Oh I would absolutely LOVE to see fourth age. Get the old PJ actors back to show Pippin writing the red book of west march, Aragorn and Eomers wars in the east, and we cannot forget the best bromance to ever bromance, Legolas and Gimli traveling around Fangorn, AND THE GLITTERING CAVES. So effing much they could work with there and far more open to original stories than the second age is too.

But alas, we get a hyper compressed second age instead. I'll take what I can get.

I'm afraid it would be rather boring. Happy people have no stories to tell.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The Southlands are visibly part of what will become Mordor, south of the plains of Gorgoroth. But contrary to Gorgoroth, it is fertile and the people living there were enslaved by Sauron to produce the food needed for his armies. After Sauron's ultimate defeat, Aragorn freed the slaves and gave them back their land. They say in the clip that they chose the wrong side once, so they could be a remnant of the Easterlings who followed Morgoth during the First Age.

Ah, this the south lands in the show is where Mordor will be then it would make sense if Sauron shows up to collect dues of them siding with Morgoth and then ends up enslaving them which could very well fit with what’s been shown in the trailer so far and the status co in LotR.

[AcidicSyn]

I'm afraid it would be rather boring. Happy people have no stories to tell.

Boring for some I suppose, not to me. I'd happily spend hours in post fall middle earth watching everyone rebuild without any big conflicts to trouble over. For those that need the action, they can follow Kings Elesar and Eomer as they clean up and reclaim old territory.

[Dhrizzle]

Oh I would absolutely LOVE to see fourth age. Get the old PJ actors back to show Pippin writing the red book of west march, Aragorn and Eomers wars in the east, and we cannot forget the best bromance to ever bromance, Legolas and Gimli traveling around Fangorn, AND THE GLITTERING CAVES. So effing much they could work with there and far more open to original stories than the second age is too.

But alas, we get a hyper compressed second age instead. I'll take what I can get.

I want a series with Legolas and his hetero life-mate Gimli played by Jason Mewes and Kevin Smith.

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The only thing people seemed to be hyped about with this series is that its less of a historical fiction and more of a moderne day political agenda tribute.

The only people saying that are ones who think "women should be allowed to do things" and "black people should be allowed to exist" are political statements.

[Biomega]

I want a series with Legolas and his hetero life-mate Gimli played by Jason Mewes and Kevin Smith.

I can't figure out which would be funnier, Mewes as Gimli and Smith as Legolas or the other way round.

[Triceron]

Another trailer.

I like the ugly looking Wargs. Not really impressed by Galadriel taking down the Troll, kind of cringe to me.

[bledgor]

Another trailer.

I like the ugly looking Wargs. Not really impressed by Galadriel taking down the Troll, kind of cringe to me.

without her sword who might she be? Well, she would actually be Galadriel then trailer. Overall a lot of repeated scenes, only a few new things, Wargs are okay, don't hate/love them. Eminem continues to look awful, with no reveal guess we can conclude no Cirdan the shipwright or Celeborn, alas. Overall the new trailer did nothing to inspire me.

[Orby]

Another trailer.

I like the ugly looking Wargs. Not really impressed by Galadriel taking down the Troll, kind of cringe to me.

The Good

when it comes to the dwarf scenes, they look incredible. Like they have nailed the dwarf athetotic down 99.99%.
Also some of the shots looks amazing, like some look ripped right from Peter Jacksons movies and have that cosy warm feeling.
Cinematography as a whole looks pretty cool, pictured with some classical fantasy images.
I do still like that I have no idea what the actual plot of this is.
Set Design... I love set design, and just in small rooms and small areas, with the furniture design and placements. Look so lived in.

the Bad

The music, (I know its trailer music, but still I am judging the trailer, and that music) just no... current pop trend music is not what this trailer needed.
Looks very CW in places. Like the costumes look cheap. Like could they seriously not afford to rough out some of those clothes.
Hopefully the dialogue shown here is just bad marketing. Like man some of this is badly written, once again could be just the trailer doing a shit job.
Still hate that the elves look like British politicians instead of the forever youthful elves. Not a fan of this interpretation.

Outside of that still very sceptical about watching, which I will, I will wanna see how good it is. I cannot wait, but I have very low expectations, I am going in wanting to like this show, with singers crossed.

[Gumble]

I can't figure out which would be funnier, Mewes as Gimli and Smith as Legolas or the other way round.

Now I just want to hear a dwarf yell Snoochy Boochies

[Ihavewaffles]

That looks like a trailer for a computer game...with all that money, couldn't they have found better actors?.. they sound like cosplayers..and the lines are so uninspiring..

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I like the ugly looking Wargs. Not really impressed by Galadriel taking down the Troll, kind of cringe to me.

are those wargs? Looks like some sort of piggies

[ClassicPeon]

I want a series with Legolas and his hetero life-mate Gimli played by Jason Mewes and Kevin Smith.

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The only people saying that are ones who think "women should be allowed to do things" and "black people should be allowed to exist" are political statements.

I dont know man - the cast certainly seems to think so based on their interviews. So unless you are saying your statement somehow refers to them idk it seems like an own goal

[Rennadrel]

I can't figure out which would be funnier, Mewes as Gimli and Smith as Legolas or the other way round.

The concept of mediocre at best actors trying to portray characters that John Rhys-Davies and Orlando Bloom did so well is impossible to imagine. Maybe if they weren't just shitty dude weed bros whose claim to fame lived and died in two films.

[Biomega]

The concept of mediocre at best actors trying to portray characters that John Rhys-Davies and Orlando Bloom did so well is impossible to imagine. Maybe if they weren't just shitty dude weed bros whose claim to fame lived and died in two films.

Geeeez, that one went RIGHT over your head, didn't it.

[MCMLXXXII]

What's funnier is claiming Bloom is a good actor.

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Geeeez, that one went RIGHT over your head, didn't it.

But Mewes as a stoner Legolas and Smith as Silent Gimli would be awesome