Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Shadowferal]

I thought it was that Eowyn was "too old" and not "Super model sexy" enough to be a real slayer of witch king.

The actress? Wasn't she 19yrs old when she got the part?

Fearful of fanboi backlash, I remember the video games glamming up Shelob. She's empowered now. /s

Well..she'd turn me to the Dark side...

[RobertoCarlos]

just to remind everyone, the rings of power weren't infact rings of power they were wedding rings and all the kings gay married Sauron. looking forward to a show based on this.

Sauron diluted down some of his power into the rings that's why he wants them back when he realised turning the leaders into slaves wasn't working on the dwarfs and elves who hid them and didn't wear them. The 3 given to the elves receiving the most mojo as they were the biggest threat to his plans. Also frodos ring is shown as having the power of invisibility

[exochaft]

I wouldn't say people became louder or amplified as much as it became trendy to be outraged over really trivial and dumb things. Worse news networks or perhaps that is to distinguished a term... "information networks" on both sides always zero in on the absolute worst of each side. It is a way for corporations to divide an audience and get fools to fight for their them.

That's probably more accurate, although one would have to make a "chicken or the egg" argument about which came first: news and social media pushing narratives at the expense of facts/truth, or people focusing on all the wrong things. Regardless, it's currently trendy to make media/shows/movies/etc. focused on all the wrong things, all at the expense of the content itself... and that's the real push-back about the current state of the business (aside from random nutjobs).

When it came to RotK, no one had an issue because the movie was pretty faithful to the source material, the female roles weren't ham-fisted in with excessive on emphasis on messaging that doesn't make sense nor belongs in the narrative, all while the content was well-written and executed without trying to shove social/political topics-of-the-day down the viewers' throats. This is why the "women haters" like show/movies with strong/tough women in them from ages past while having issues with a lot of today's media, as current day media tends to 'empower' women by destroying everything around them in the process.

It's all about the execution, not the existence of women in media. Well-written female characters in good content will be praised by everyone across the spectrum. Creators of trash content and characters with a tendency to shove political messaging down the viewer's throat will just decry "racist/sexist/misogynist/<insert -ist> alt-right haters" at anyone who calls out their content for what it is: terrible. Such lunacy is then amplified by social media and the news, and you get the self-sustaining mad house that we currently live in.

[Triceron]

Except....that scene is book accurate. If it wasn't book accurate and the kill was stolen from someone else then people would complain. But it IS book accurate, so your just manufacturing a fictional complaint.

Not gonna defend the other guy's complaint, since I do think he's whining for the sake of whining

But needed to get my two cents in there that the scene wasn't book accurate. The movies omit a very important 'blink and you miss it' set up in the books that has been theorized to why the Witch King was killable by Eowyn. It had to do with the fact that Merry was wielding an enchanted blade that he got in the Barrows that made the Witch King vulnerable to mortal weapons after Merry stabs him. Merry himself isn't aware that his weapon is magical. We never got a scene in the movies where he gets the blade from the Barrows, so this doesn't carry over into the movies at all; he simply gets a regular sword from the Riders of Rohan. It's an often overlooked piece of trivia that has an in-universe explanation to it from the books.

So yeah, the scene still played out the way it did in the books, but the real winner here should actually be Merry for making the Witch King actually killable. Of course, the movies don't really go out of their way to explain that the Witch King is somehow immune to mortal blades either, so it comes down to interpreting his words as 'I can't be killed by anyone with a penis'

[Khaza-R]

I will hope for the best but i think they are going to take a big old shit on the franchise.

I totally think people are right to be cynical about Hollywood and their handling of famous franchises over the past several years.

The only silver living here is that Tolkien's work is immutable. No matter how terrible or excellent this series might be, it will never technically be canon and can always be forgotten and hand waved away.

[eschatological]

Hi guys: I'm back from a long winter break. This is a not-so-friendly warning: Cut the shit out. This is not a subforum for whining about perceived social agendas and "wokeness," you can try that nonsense in GenOT, and see if they'll tolerate it there. It won't be put up with here.

[Coniferous]

We have a lot of characters but not a lot of characterization. That's why I'm leery about the writers. After WoT and either hearing the excuses for the lack of, or worse, hearing "good enuff," a company paying that much money had damn well do better than mediocre. The writing needs to be superlative, and the characters need to live.
They have plenty of leeway in this regard.

Agreed. The strength of a series like GoT was it's ability to rely on source material to create a long, sprawling, yet coherent plot. The source material for this series is basically an outline at best, so this series depends heavily on the quality of the writing. Given how difficult it is to create something like this, and recent complete failures (Star Wars, Wheel of Time), I'm pessimistic about the result.

[molliewoof]

Sauron diluted down some of his power into the rings that's why he wants them back when he realised turning the leaders into slaves wasn't working on the dwarfs and elves who hid them and didn't wear them. The 3 given to the elves receiving the most mojo as they were the biggest threat to his plans. Also frodos ring is shown as having the power of invisibility

I thought the elves were using their rings though to defend rivendell, the forest place with Cate blanchety and whatever.

That's the point of the story, he gets the ring and they lose chunks of power because they can't use them anymore without compromising themselves.

He doesn't want them back, he wants that back

[Shadowferal]

The Three Rings

Nenya, Narya and Vilya; the only three of the Rings of Power to be made wholly outside the influence of Sauron. Their power maintained the realms of the Elves in Middle-earth until the destruction of the Ruling Ring.

[Coniferous]

Sauron diluted down some of his power into the rings that's why he wants them back when he realised turning the leaders into slaves wasn't working on the dwarfs and elves who hid them and didn't wear them. The 3 given to the elves receiving the most mojo as they were the biggest threat to his plans. Also frodos ring is shown as having the power of invisibility

I know he put his power into the one ring, but did he put it into the others as well? They say he never actually touched the three rings.

[Shadowferal]

Celebrimbor made the three rings without "Annatar's" influence.

[molliewoof]

Celebrimbor made the three rings without "Annatar's" influence.

What I'm reading says he had no influence in their creation but he COULD control them?

The poem would be redundant otherwise?

If that isn't your point I apologise

[Shadowferal]

The Three Rings were made by Celebrimbor after Sauron, in the guise of Annatar, had left Eregion. These were free of Sauron's influence, as he did not have a hand in their making. However, they were still forged by Celebrimbor with the arts taught to him by Sauron and thus were still bound to the One Ring.
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What I'm reading says he had no influence in their creation but he COULD control them? The poem would be redundant otherwise? If that isn't your point I apologise

Sauron could never control Galadriel, Elrond, or Gandalf.

[molliewoof]

The Three Rings were made by Celebrimbor after Sauron, in the guise of Annatar, had left Eregion. These were free of Sauron's influence, as he did not have a hand in their making. However, they were still forged by Celebrimbor with the arts taught to him by Sauron and thus were still bound to the One Ring.
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Sauron could never control Galadriel, Elrond, or Gandalf.

This is from the same site, if you scroll to the powers section, it says the first ring has control over all other rings which means he could control them, this would also tie in with galadriel saying you would get an evil Queen if frido gave her the ring. that would be because of saurons influence imo

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rings_of_Power

The entire premise of LOTR is that ' one ring rules them all and in the darkness bind them' the three are in this poem.

[Shadowferal]

This is from the same site, if you scroll to the powers section, it says the first ring has control over all other rings which means he could control them, this would also tie in with galadriel saying you would get an evil Queen if frido gave her the ring. that would be because of saurons influence imo https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rings_of_Power The entire premise of LOTR is that ' one ring rules them all and in the darkness bind them' the three are in this poem.

That's only in reference to the nine. Galadriel's temptation is strictly from the One Ring, which is all Sauron. And that's why neither her nor Gandalf wanted it.

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Think on what happened to the dwarves.

[Frontenac]

That's only in reference to the nine. Galadriel's temptation is strictly from the One Ring, which is all Sauron. And that's why neither her nor Gandalf wanted it.

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Think on what happened to the dwarves.

It's in reference to all of the Rings of Power. That's why the Elves took off their rings when they perceived the power of the One Ring, when Sauron put it on his finger:

And while he [Sauron] wore the One Ring he could perceive all the things that were done by means of the lesser rings, and he could see and govern the very thoughts of those that wore them.

But the Elves were not so lightly to be caught. As soon as Sauron set the One Ring upon his finger they were aware of him; and they knew him, and perceived that he would be master of them, and of all that they wrought. Then in anger and in fear they took off their rings.

- The Silmarillion, Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age

When the One Ring was lost, the Elves used their rings again to preserve what was left of their kingdoms. Well, Círdan gave his to Gandalf. Galadriel explains this dilemma to Frodo. If he fails in his quest, they are doomed. If he succeeds, they are doomed, because the Three will lose all their powers and they will have to leave Middle Earth or be reduced to lingering spirits in caves.

Sauron intended the Seven to do more or less what the Nine did to Men. But the Dwarves were innately resistant to control. The Seven just made them exceedingly greedy, but brought ruin upon them just the same. Which was good for Sauron too.

[RobertoCarlos]

I know he put his power into the one ring, but did he put it into the others as well? They say he never actually touched the three rings.

The rings are connected to each other. I remember reading the 3 given to the elves were the next most important to the one ring and were more "powerful" than the other rings. It makes sense as the elves were the biggest threat.

Sauron is a master manipulater. His plan was to take over middle earth by turning the powerful races to his side. The dwarfs were innately defensive to mind control but went semi mad with the 7 rings and dug themselves a balrog shaped hole in moria. The elves hid thier rings after sensing its true nature and the 9 obviously worked like a treat on men and turned them into loyal slaves the nazgul

[Coniferous]

The rings are connected to each other. I remember reading the 3 given to the elves were the next most important to the one ring and were more "powerful" than the other rings. It makes sense as the elves were the biggest threat.

Sauron is a master manipulater. His plan was to take over middle earth by turning the powerful races to his side. The dwarfs were innately defensive to mind control but went semi mad with the 7 rings and dug themselves a balrog shaped hole in moria. The elves hid thier rings after sensing its true nature and the 9 obviously worked like a treat on men and turned them into loyal slaves the nazgul

Sure, but I'm pretty sure that it's more that he put his power into the one ring, not that he put it into the others.

[RobertoCarlos]

Sure, but I'm pretty sure that it's more that he put his power into the one ring, not that he put it into the others.

Perhaps. I know he wanted them back when he realised the elves were not falling for it. No reason to want them back if they're just lumps of metal

[Shadowferal]

It's in reference to all of the Rings of Power. That's why the Elves took off their rings when they perceived the power of the One Ring, when Sauron put it on his finger:
When the One Ring was lost, the Elves used their rings again to preserve what was left of their kingdoms. Well, Círdan gave his to Gandalf. Galadriel explains this dilemma to Frodo. If he fails in his quest, they are doomed. If he succeeds, they are doomed, because the Three will lose all their powers and they will have to leave Middle Earth or be reduced to lingering spirits in caves.
Sauron intended the Seven to do more or less what the Nine did to Men. But the Dwarves were innately resistant to control. The Seven just made them exceedingly greedy, but brought ruin upon them just the same. Which was good for Sauron too.

OK I stand corrected...and loving the quote.