Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Xath]

The Maple edit makes a great single 4-hour movie out of it. My favourite fan edit of any movie, by far.

Hm might have to look into it right now I have a huge backlog of stuff is the issue.

[Varodoc]

Sauron is ABSOLUTELY not an iconic villain (in literature or cinema). He’s more of a plot device in the novels than an actual character. Seriously, is “appeared in popular movie/series” really your benchmark for what makes a character (or actor) iconic? What a low low bar…

Sauron is literally the archetypical Fantasy Dark Lord.

"Appearing in a popular series" is not my benchmark for being iconic. For instance, Tauriel has way more screentime than Sauron, and she appeared in the same franchise, but no one cares about her or even remembers her. Meanwhile, everyone knows Sauron. It's simple and straightforward.

Sauron is literally the Lord of the Rings and you try to act like he's not iconic, sure dude.

Claiming Legolas isn't iconic, fucking lol. The lengths people go to to prop up the RoP by trying to tear down the OG trilogy.

That's what the apologists of sequels always do, they try to bring down the past work and pretend it wasn't popular, iconic, or good.

That's why, when I read Rings of Power apologists, GoT Season 8 apologists, Disney apologists, I always ask myself "How did they even become fans of these franchises in the first place, since they only find flaws in past works"?

[Ivanstone]

That's what the apologists of sequels always do, they try to bring down the past work and pretend it wasn't popular, iconic, or good.

Or maybe you could just acknowledge that Legolas isn’t even the top 10 for important LotR characters and Orlando Bloom was better in Pirates of the Caribbean.

At least he did get some pretty good actions.

[Biomega]

and Orlando Bloom was better in Pirates of the Caribbean.

But he's not an elf there, and that's all that really matters to our resident Elf Boner Lord

[Varodoc]

Or maybe you could just acknowledge that Legolas isn’t even the top 10 for important LotR characters and Orlando Bloom was better in Pirates of the Caribbean.

At least he did get some pretty good actions.

Being important to the story is irrelevant.

Why does this thread not know what "iconic" means? Do you people never have casual conversations with anyone? Lol.

"Iconic" means that I could ask a friend who has never seen LOTR who Legolas is, and they'd tell me "it's the elf with the white hair and the bow".

"Iconic" means that I could ask a friend who hates movies who Sauron is, and they'd tell me "it's the big scary evil eye".

It's really not hard to understand what "iconic" means.

[Ivanstone]

Being important to the story is irrelevant.

You could’ve just stopped right there. Characters importance starts and ends with the quality of the story. Legolas is a lesser LotR character. I barely think of him in regards to the story.

Even if I was to use your definition of iconic, he still doesn’t qualify. Compared to Gandalf, Frodo, Gollum and Sauron? He’s nothing.

[DarkAmbient]

this does not give me LOTR vibes at all.

It's a horrible trailer. All the comments are taking the piss out of it. 32k likes vs 293k dislikes on the main Prime channel.

[Specialka]

You could’ve just stopped right there. Characters importance starts and ends with the quality of the story. Legolas is a lesser LotR character. I barely think of him in regards to the story.

Even if I was to use your definition of iconic, he still doesn’t qualify. Compared to Gandalf, Frodo, Gollum and Sauron? He’s nothing.

Legolas is still iconic of Lotr, even if you do not agree. Ask anyone elfs in Lotr, most people would say "Legolas".

[Varodoc]

You could’ve just stopped right there. Characters importance starts and ends with the quality of the story. Legolas is a lesser LotR character. I barely think of him in regards to the story.

Even if I was to use your definition of iconic, he still doesn’t qualify. Compared to Gandalf, Frodo, Gollum and Sauron? He’s nothing.

If you don't think he's iconic, that's your problem.

He's so iconic they inserted him in The Hobbits. And if you watch Youtube reactions to the Desolation of Smaug trailer, people absolutely went crazy when they saw Legolas again.

A character doesn't need to be important to the story or have a lot of screentime to be iconic, they only need to look and act badass, and Legolas most certainly did.

Nevermind the fact that Legolas was very important to the story. Every character in the Fellowship of the Ring played a key role in the story. Legolas literally saved Aragorn at Helm's Deep, without him giving Aragorn a rope, the future king of Gondor would have died brutally. I do wonder if this thread watched the LOTR movies at all. People here literally had the sheer gall to say that Sauron, the titular "Lord of the Rings", is not iconic. The sheer disrespect of this thread is amazing.

[Triceron]

If you don't think he's iconic, that's your problem.

He's so iconic they inserted him in The Hobbits. And if you watch Youtube reactions to the Desolation of Smaug trailer, people absolutely went crazy when they saw Legolas again.

A character doesn't need to be important to the story or have a lot of screentime to be iconic, they only need to look and act badass, and Legolas most certainly did.

Well, does iconic really mean anything other than 'widely recognized'?


At this point with so much controversy surrounding RoP and with so many people having seen the trailers, the Black Elf and Black Dwarf will also be iconic to Rings of Power, regardless of how important they are to the story or how much screentime they have. Like, they're practically front and center in a lot of the promotional material and in the interviews, and the show isn't even out yet. Name the top 3 'iconic' people from Rings of Power right now, and it'd be Galadriel, the black Elf dude and the black Dwarf lady.

[Varodoc]

Well, does iconic really mean anything other than 'widely recognized'?

At this point with so much controversy surrounding RoP and with so many people having seen the trailers, the Black Elf and Black Dwarf will also be iconic to Rings of Power, regardless of how important they are to the story or how much screentime they have. Like, they're practically front and center in a lot of the promotional material and in the interviews, and the show isn't even out yet.

Yes, they're iconic for all the wrong reasons.

[AcidicSyn]

Well, does iconic really mean anything other than 'widely recognized'?


At this point with so much controversy surrounding RoP and with so many people having seen the trailers, the Black Elf and Black Dwarf will also be iconic to Rings of Power, regardless of how important they are to the story or how much screentime they have. Like, they're practically front and center in a lot of the promotional material and in the interviews, and the show isn't even out yet. Name the top 3 'iconic' people from Rings of Power right now, and it'd be Galadriel, the black Elf dude and the black Dwarf lady.

I think a distinction has to be made between currently in the spotlight and actually being iconic.

Legolas (the character from the books, not necessarily bloom as legolas, though there is an argument to be made that he was iconic in the role) launched an entire archetype of character in fiction. When you look up the "Stereotypical wood elf", the description is basically legolas. (Insert the stuff about tolkien popularizing taller elves that I know I don't need to patronize you with here, but my point is that over time, legolas became the sort of yardstick for what a wood elf is)

Where as these actors are currently in the limelight, it would be too early to consider any of them iconic, at minimum the show has to come out first. Though Disa does stand out.

[Hypasonic]

Really looking forward to this show, this and the game of thrones one. Hope they haven't gone full woke though and stay true to the lore/story of the shows.

[AcidicSyn]

Really looking forward to this show, this and the game of thrones one. Hope they haven't gone full woke though and stay true to the lore/story of the shows.

House of the Dragon does have some injections of creativity that were not present in the book, but they're minor (so far).

The biggest offender in Rings of Power that I can see so far is they appear to be hyper-compressing the events of the second age.

[Ivanstone]

If you don't think he's iconic, that's your problem.

He's so iconic they inserted him in The Hobbits. And if you watch Youtube reactions to the Desolation of Smaug trailer, people absolutely went crazy when they saw Legolas again.

A character doesn't need to be important to the story or have a lot of screentime to be iconic, they only need to look and act badass, and Legolas most certainly did.

Nevermind the fact that Legolas was very important to the story. Every character in the Fellowship of the Ring played a key role in the story. Legolas literally saved Aragorn at Helm's Deep, without him giving Aragorn a rope, the future king of Gondor would have died brutally. I do wonder if this thread watched the LOTR movies at all. People here literally had the sheer gall to say that Sauron, the titular "Lord of the Rings", is not iconic. The sheer disrespect of this thread is amazing.

Legolas could’ve been replaced with a red shirt. Why couldn’t some other random Elf/Human/Dwarf/etc done the exact same thing?

Sauron is very iconic. He doesn’t have much personality to him but he is a constant state of oppression that hangs over the entire series.

Orlando Bloom was having a moment. He’s a handsome actor who’d done capable work in two beloved film franchises. No wonder they wanted to insert him into The Hobbit despite having nothing to do with the story. Replace him with somebody more generic and no one would’ve noticed.

[Hypasonic]

House of the Dragon does have some injections of creativity that were not present in the book, but they're minor (so far).

The biggest offender in Rings of Power that I can see so far is they appear to be hyper-compressing the events of the second age.

Sounds good. LOTR was (is) one of the best movie series I've ever seen, I heard this series is supposed to be one of the most expensive shows ever made? So I'm expecting great things!

[Triceron]

Yes, they're iconic for all the wrong reasons.

Legolas literally has no character development in the movies, and isn't really interesting once you really break down him down. It's not like he's well known for being well acted or having character depth. He's most well known for being a charming, badass pretty boy that is practically a Gary Stu, and I don't know if that's any better, really. I mean, Legolas is also iconic in the movies, and I don't know what reasons there would be that I could point to say 'this is the right way'.

Cuz his appearance in the Hobbit prolly shouldn't have been as forgettable as it ended up being.

[Khaza-R]

Hoping for good things from this show but anticipating it being underwhelming.

Perhaps I've become too jaded, but I find very likely that modern writers will forget to tell Tolkien's story and try to make it their own. I think the temptation of leaving their mark on something is greater than trying to be truthful the spirit of another author's work. But I suppose we will see.

[Xath]

House of the Dragon does have some injections of creativity that were not present in the book, but they're minor (so far).

The biggest offender in Rings of Power that I can see so far is they appear to be hyper-compressing the events of the second age.

Also completely changing Tar-Míriel's Tragedy and likely modernizing it aka removing the tragedy. Not really impressed with that casting either since the age is way off if they aren't making a massive change.

[tikcol]

So many inconsistencies and cheesy one liners. Wrap it all up through to the end with that loathsome song. Another Rings of Power trailer.

Someone please soothe Galadriel's storm.

Why is everyone saying that dude in the ancient grey bath towel is Gandalf? Did they also put him in middle-earth 1000 years early?