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[InfiniteCharger]

Sure but I’m not talk about adaptions.

Charger said that Iran Africa ect aren’t “supposed to be a significant aspect of the lore of Middle Earth” that they have myths and lore that apply to other things like wow but not middle earth, such a statement is just false given the rolls of the two trees in early middle earth and the fact that those trees are inspired by Alexander the Greats time in the east according to Tolkien.

What I meant was that because there is no "Iran" or "Puerto Rico" in Middle Earth there is no mandate to include any specific elements of those cultures in any future stories made in Middle Earth. Because "Iran" or even "Britain" implies a specific historic combination of cultural elements and traditions that are distinct in the real world and those specific combinations don't exist in Middle Earth. So while we can see various elements in Middle Earth from various cultures, it is combined in such a way that makes it distinct as part of this fictional world and not the same as the real world counterpart that it is derived from. Using Asian culture as a reference for Rhun doesn't mean we should be trying to make Rhun a mirror image of Asia in the real world. It is not.

A good example of this is Elden Ring. It is a Japanese game that takes many of these elements and amplifies it to the max but in no way shape or form is it similar to the "real world" even though the influences from Japanese, European, Asian and other cultures are obvious. I liked even the names and how they actually are used correctly based on their real world linguistic counterparts they are derived from, like Gaol. The word Nox is another one that was even better because it isn't even obvious to me as a reference to Night or Darkness.



And in my opinion video games in general do a much better of job of world building in the high fantasy genre, which is more in line with being inspired by Tolkien than these studios and their live action adaptations. Which results in just randomly thrown together elements in a story with no thought of how they fit together or make sense from the perspective of the lore they are adapting or building.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

To be fair, that doesn't actually affect InfiniteCharger's point. He's talking about specific locations and people's cultures not existing directly in Middle Earth.

Tolkien refers to both war like Jews and Gypsy’s as inspirations for his races/culture, while Mabye not directly linked to Iran the country but the region is absolutely represented in the cultures of middle earth as well.

The tree was just an easy example of a significant part of the lore of middle earth taken from the east but it’s not the only part.

[Triceron]

Tolkien refers to both war like Jews and Gypsy’s as inspirations for his races/culture, while Mabye not directly linked to Iran the country but the region is absolutely represented in the cultures of middle earth as well.

The tree was just an easy example of a significant part of the lore of middle earth taken from the east but it’s not the only part.

Right, and there are Mongolian-like descriptions of Easterlings and Middle Eastern/African-like descriptions for the people of Southron and Harad. These are direct references to what these people looked like. So it would be sensible to visually adapt them to look as they are described.

How they dress, what they eat, what weapons they use and everything else about their culture that hasn't been explicitly described can be then creatively adapted to fill in the blanks. But representing them fully as a 'racially diverse' people wouldn't be filling in blanks, it'd be contrary to the descriptions we have that imply a certain look to them.

For example, having a racially diverse depiction of Southrons is perfectly fine for any visual adaptation, but may not be considered faithful or sensible to the source material.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

the adaptation

Again I’m not talking about any adaption.

I’m just talking about rather places other then Europe are Significant to middle earths lore and they are both on in regards to the world and the cultures in it.

[Ausr]

I know they put the 80s sitcom edited in, but it's fit.

They paid $1 billion for this shit and this is the best they could do. Like holy fuck.

[Myradin]

They should have just used that first title teaser they did for the intro.

If this is really the intro thats really sad.

[Rathwell]

[video=youtube;lXuWnfnZmhA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXuWnfnZmhA[video]

I know they put the 80s sitcom edited in, but it's fit.

They paid $1 billion for this shit and this is the best they could do. Like holy fuck.

Jesus Christ.

How. How did this happen. They had 1 billion and the rights to one of the biggest most popular franchises. They could have any director, any cast, any writer. This show could've been anything. How did they end up with this? Is this some money laundry scheme?

[Specialka]

I know they put the 80s sitcom edited in, but it's fit.

They paid $1 billion for this shit and this is the best they could do. Like holy fuck.

Is that really legit ? Not a meme or something like that ?

[Jastall]

I know they put the 80s sitcom edited in, but it's fit.

They paid $1 billion for this shit and this is the best they could do. Like holy fuck.

Uh, yeah, ok that intro is just sad if it's the real deal. Big Bang Theory felt like they put more budget in theirs.

[ClassicPeon]

Is that really legit ? Not a meme or something like that ?

The music is changed but yeah...

[Rennadrel]

Every trailer just keeps looking worse and worse as far as the style goes. That opening cinematic didn't take long to get memed on though. Good thing I started The Expanse yesterday, that show is actually great and if it is true that Amazon canned it for this pile of crap, that's a damn shame because it's actually been really good and I'm not even done season 1.

[Ausr]

Is that really legit ? Not a meme or something like that ?

It's legit. It's already become a meme.

[DarkAmbient]

That's not the intro. It's some promo shit they did.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

[eschatological]

WARNING, THREAD UPDATE: With the premiere of this show tonight, we're going to end lots of this discussion which has taken over this thread. It's tiring and goes in circles, and, in many cases, entirely in bad faith.

Do not post bad faith YT trash in this thread, whether it's from a YouTube channel with literally 4 subscribers (see above), or the Babylon Bee, a parody site engaged in culture war bullshit. This show is coming out tonight, and the time for these inane discussions of what a faithful adaptation is are done.

Going forward, the discussion should be centered around what is actual shown in the aired media, which, again, is premiering tonight. And no, the existence of a black elf in a Tolkein adaptation is not permission to continue these previous discussions.

Further continuation of these topics will be considered off-topic, derailing, and will be infracted.

[Lobosan]

Uh, yeah, ok that intro is just sad if it's the real deal. Big Bang Theory felt like they put more budget in theirs.

It's not the real intro, it's a joke reel for Vanity Fair.

[rogueMatthias]

Seen the first two episodes at the premiere already.

The arguments about the casting will be moot when everyone sees how bland it is.

A lot of the script and acting is just pretty bad.

The second episode improves quite a bit though. They really should be showing the first two episodes, as the first might put a lot of people off returning on its own.

[qwerty123456]

Not gunna lie for the first 30 seconds I thought this was legit. I just thought that they were pulling a Disney with that shitty cgi squirrel hoping so they could sell a cutesy toy.

[RachelMadcow]

Snipped .

[Triceron]

The second episode improves quite a bit though. They really should be showing the first two episodes, as the first might put a lot of people off returning on its own.

Is that not the plan with the full release tonight? Is it not 2 episodes?