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    I think I like it just enough to see what happens next, despite some poor casting and dodgy dialogue. Visuals were sumptuous as expected, the music was great. Lenny Henry's cod Irish accent was terrible, but he's always just Lenny Henry in everything. Most of the elves don't feel particularly elfy to me, more like humans with pointed ears, particularly Arondir. I don't think the haircuts help, those hair-sprayed and blow-dried bouffant styles look like something out of a 1980s male catalogue. The characters I enjoyed the most were Poppy and Nori, although I thought Elrond was played particularly well. Galadriel's portrayal was fine. I've seen people complaining about her being portrayed as a she-warrior but that's how Tolkien described her, a commander and fierce fighter of 'Amazon disposition'.

    It's obvious the one who fell from the sky is a Maiar, but it better not be Gandalf, although signs point to it being him. That would be the biggest middle finger to the lore so far if it's true. It might be one of the Blue Wizards, except he's not clad in blue and there's only one of them. So really that leaves Gandalf or a new Maiar invented for the show. Ugh.

    Overall, I'd say 7/10.

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    Man some of y’all really sound like you’ve never seen a “consumed with revenge even at there own determinate” character before. Galadrial I’d a pretty perfect Portrayal of the archetype while also holding onto the elf nobility and not throwing a shit fit when she’s more or less banished in the firs episode.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Galadrial feels so much like a Warcraft Elf character bent on revenge. I don't think she should have been Galadriel, I think they could have easily just made a completely new Elf character.

    But I can see them wanting something to be recognizeable to the series, I just find it odd that this is how they choose to characterize her. I'd have zero problems if this were someone new.

    Same with the meteor man. I'm already disconnected by their attempts on making obvious hints at Gandalf. I'm not sure where they are taking it and whether theres gonna be some big plot twist reveal, but I don't see it being a strong payoff. If it's Gandalf, it was too obvious. If it's any other wizard or a complete twist like being Sauron, then it'd feel like a massive bait and switch. I don't see the point of this plot arc really. Will wait and see what they do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    Same with the meteor man. I'm already disconnected by their attempts on making obvious hints at Gandalf. I'm not sure where they are taking it and whether theres gonna be some big plot twist reveal, but I don't see it being a strong payoff. If it's Gandalf, it was too obvious. If it's any other wizard or a complete twist like being Sauron, then it'd feel like a massive bait and switch. I don't see the point of this plot arc really. Will wait and see what they do with it.
    I doubt it’s not Gandalf but a nice bait and switch would be to make it Saruman and actually show him when he was a good guy before his fall.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    I really liked it.

    Not the best show ever made. But up there imho. Feels good watching it. Like the actors and characters. No preaching like everybody here seemed to think.
    Looks AMAZING.

    solid 8,5/10 imho up till now

    Edit: I did not like the unneeded romance between the human and elf and the fact that they just ommited Celeborn who was allready married to Galadriel int he second age. They said he will be introduced in a lter season but it just feels like "Galadrial don't need no man"-idiocy
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    I will give a big compliment to the orc scene in the house. Holy shit was that scene tense. and they really made a single orc look terrifying by barely showing him at first, as well as making him looking like a big threat. Looked like somethign out of a horror movie when they revealed him.
    "People fear, not death, but having life taken from them. Many waste the life given to them, occupying themselves with things that do not matter. When the end comes, they say they did not have time enough to spend with loved ones, to fulfill dreams, to go on adventures they only talked about... But why should you fear death if you are happy with the life you have led, if you can look back on everything and say, 'Yes, I am content. It is enough.'" - Wynne ( Dragon Age: Origins.)

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    Unfortunately, this show just butchers so much of the lore that it is hard to consider it a part of Tolkien or related to Lord of the Rings.
    This goes beyond cosmetic differences and other superficial changes.

    And this is going to be a major factor in some peoples ability to like or dislike this series.

    Compare to the shows depiction of Galadriel:

    Indeed, "she was then of Amazon disposition and bound up her hair as a crown when taking part in athletic feats". This custom was the origin of her secondary name Galadriel, as it meant "Maiden crowned with gleaming hair". This gleaming of her hair was not a poetic reference: her hair was held a marvel unmatched. It mingled and surpassed the gold hair of her father and the starlike silver of her mother, so the Eldar said that both lights of the Two Trees were captured in her tresses. It was also said that this gave first the idea to her uncle Fëanor of capturing the merged light of the Trees, which would result in the Silmarils. He asked her three times one of her tresses, but she always refused. Fëanor and Galadriel were always unfriends, both being the greatest Eldar in Valinor; and if Fëanor was greater than her, she was wiser, and her wisdom grew with the long years. For she also had an outstanding gift to see into the minds of others, and she hated and feared the darkness in Fëanor.

    There was still bliss in Valinor when she was born, but soon she was influenced by the unrest of the Noldor and lost her inner peace ever after. She was proud like most of the House of Finwë, and like her closest brother Finrod, "she had dreams of far lands and dominions that might be her own to order as she would without tutelage". But deep in herself, she had the noble spirit of the Vanyar, which did not allow her to forget the reverence to the Valar.

    During the Darkening of Valinor and the rebellion of Fëanor, Galadriel was the only woman of the Noldor who stood among the rising princes. She swore no oath, but the words of Fëanor concerning Middle-earth kindled a desire in her heart, as she was eager to see those wide unguarded lands and rule a realm of her own. Like the rest of the House of Finarfin, she was also supportive of the Exile by the desire to aid their Sindarin relatives in Middle-earth.


    ......
    Second Age

    At the beginning of this age, Celeborn and Galadriel dwelt for a time in Lindon, south of the Lune, while Gil-galad ruled in the north.[27] Both left Lindon before the years 10-20, when Gil-galad became king in that land, apparently thanks to her influence.They entered Eriador and dwelt for a while around Lake Nenuial, being followed by many Noldor, Grey-elves and Green-elves. They were considered as the Lord and Lady of the Eldar in Eriador.[29]:234 Probably around S.A. 300,[note 3] Galadriel and Celeborn had a daughter: Celebrían.

    Circa the year 500, Sauron began to stir Middle-earth again,[27] but his name was not known. He was however perceived by Galadriel, who noticed there was a controlling evil, and that it was spreading above the world, coming from the East, beyond the Misty Mountains. She also thought this 'residue of evil' could only be fought with an alliance of all its enemies. Therefore she and Celeborn moved eastwards and establish the realm of Eregion near Khazad-dûm. Celeborn was not fond of Dwarves, but she saw the importance of getting close to them, to whom she even saw with military interests. Also, she was a Noldo, therefore close to them in mind and in the passion for crafts; and in Valinor she had learned from Yavanna and Aulë, the creator of the Dwarves himself.[29]:235

    Some Noldor were also interesed on establishing near Khazad-dûm because they knew mithril had been discovered there. Therefore many Elven-smiths came to Eregion and created good relations with the Dwarves. Celebrimbor, a descendant of Fëanor (and therefore a distant cousin of Galadriel), was the greatest of the craft-men and the Lord of Eregion. He was its main builder and in 750 the main city of the realm was begun, Ost-in-Edhil. The power of Galadriel and Celeborn also grew: thanks to the Dwarves of Khazad-dûm, they had contact with the Nandorin realm of Lórinand, at the other side of the Misty Mountains. Thanks to Galadriel's influence upon Lórinand, Sauron's machinations there were fruitless.[29]:236

    About the year 1200, Sauron came in disguise to Eriador, but he was only welcomed in Eregion by Celebrimbor and the Elven-smiths, who were interesed on his advices of craftship.[29]:236 Galadriel was not deceived, and rejected him, saying that he was not in the train of Aulë as he claimed.[30] "He perceived at once that Galadriel would be his chief adversary and obstacle, and he endeavoured therefore to placate her, bearing her scorn with outward patience and courtesy". At the same time, without her knowledge, Sauron influenced Calebrimbor and his Gwaith-i-Mírdain against Galadriel and Celeborn. Finally, he moved them to rebellion and they seized the power of Eregion at some time between 1350 and 1400. Thus, Galadriel and Celebrían left through Khazad-dûm to Lórinand, although Celeborn would not enter the Dwarvish realm and remained in Eregion.[29]:237

    When Sauron made the One Ring in S.A. 1600, his treachery was discovered by Celebrimbor.[27] The elven-smith came to Lórinand, seeking counsel from Galadriel. They did not find the strenght to destroy the Rings of Power, but she adviced him to hide the Three Rings of the Elves where Sauron could not find them. Therefore he gave her Nenya, the White Ring, and the other Rings were given to other Elven lords.[29]:237 This was done in 1693, the same year Sauron began the war against the Elves.
    https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Galadriel

    Sack of Eregion:

    During the Second Age, Sauron planned to corrupt the Elves and put them under his dominion. In his guise as Annatar, he instructed the Elves of Eregion in the making of the Rings of Power. He returned to Mordor and then secretly constructed the One Ring of his own to enslave the bearers of the Rings.[1] Unknown to him, the Elves had made Three Rings of their own, so that when Sauron took up his own Ring, they understood his intentions and his centuries of planning came to nothing.

    .....

    When news of the invasion arrived to Gil-galad he sent a force commanded by Elrond from Lindon to reinforce Eregion as well as word to Númenor for aid.[1] Elrond's forces were held back by Sauron's greater host and Eregion was devastated. In S.A. 1697, Ost-in-Edhil fell, with Celebrimbor himself leading a last desperate defence on the steps of the House of the Mírdain. He was taken captive by the Orcs and Dark Lord demanded that the Rings of Power be turned over to him as well as the Three Rings. Celebrimbor yielded the Nine Rings and later even the Seven Rings, but was able to hide the identities of those who bore the Three. Later Celebrimbor was shot through with Orc-arrows, and by some accounts, Sauron used Celebrimbor's body as a banner as he turned to face Elrond's host.
    https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/War_...ves_and_Sauron

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    Galadriel behaves the same way a lot of highly accomplished but singular focused people behave except even moreso because instead of being obsessed with her field for 40 years, she has been doing it for hundreds. Can't tell you how many doctors, academics I met who have similar traits. They are blind to anything but their expertise so they lack normal interpersonal skills you'd expect from someone. I see elves like that anyway to varying degrees until you get to the trilogy when the elves that are left are a bit warmer to humanity.


    Not someone I would like URL but fits in a story, if that makes sense. I can appreciate the character for what it is and we know there will be growth, anyway.


    Meteor guy is probably a wizard.

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    Didn't hate it and didn't love it. Will continue to watch to see where it eventually lands for me. It's leaning a bit positive so far but I'm not a book nazi or costume critic either. If I were I probably would be leaning slightly negative. End of the day I'm just looking for something decently entertaining to watch and so far it's on that path. But we shall see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InfiniteCharger View Post
    Unfortunately, this show just butchers so much of the lore that it is hard to consider it a part of Tolkien or related to Lord of the Rings.
    This goes beyond cosmetic differences and other superficial changes.
    This series isn't going to be based on any actual book material, it's just using characters and locations to build a setting for a new story that they're telling. Best not to think of the books at all if you have any interest in this series.


    That being said, this series does give me Hobbit new character vibes. It feels like if they took Radaghast, Tauriel and all the characters and sideplots that weren't in the original book and made it into a full-blown series, this is what we'd get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigToast View Post
    This sort of thing is called a character arc. There has to be somewhere to go, some lesson to be learned to get to the Third Age Galadriel.
    It's still a shitty way of presenting someone who is supposed to be a leader. You can be a leader without being a massive bitch, but I think that sort of writing is beyond a lot of modern Hollywood writers these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    It's still a shitty way of presenting someone who is supposed to be a leader. You can be a leader without being a massive bitch, but I think that sort of writing is beyond a lot of modern Hollywood writers these days.
    How is she a "massive bitch" please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    This series isn't going to be based on any actual book material, it's just using characters and locations to build a setting for a new story that they're telling. Best not to think of the books at all if you have any interest in this series.


    That being said, this series does give me Hobbit new character vibes. It feels like if they took Radaghast, Tauriel and all the characters and sideplots that weren't in the original book and made it into a full-blown series, this is what we'd get.
    I just see it as a different story with different characters even if they have the same names.
    They are telling the story they wanted to tell in Tolkiens world and that is basically what they have been saying.
    I don't see this as a lack of source material issue. And even if they did have it they still probably would change it.
    It is what it is, but the lore that I posted is well documented and not lost, obscure or unkown.
    They could have followed it if they wanted and they just didn't want to. Its their right and thats just how it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    It's still a shitty way of presenting someone who is supposed to be a leader. You can be a leader without being a massive bitch, but I think that sort of writing is beyond a lot of modern Hollywood writers these days.
    This would be missing the whole point of some one obsessed to the point of danger with there quest.

    The whole point is that they get more and more reckless ignoring good advice due to there obsession until it comes to a head and there recklessness gets them in trouble.

    In a lot of story’s you get a John snow esc mutiny or the leader will get every one killed and be the sole survivor, in lotT case those two outcomes are less likely so they just ditch.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    It's still a shitty way of presenting someone who is supposed to be a leader. You can be a leader without being a massive bitch, but I think that sort of writing is beyond a lot of modern Hollywood writers these days.
    I say that gives her room to grow and learn. It shows flaws, I know its not the Galadriel we know and love, but its a benchmark to have her grow to be that, her brother was killed and now she is overcome with an obsession with vengeance. which is understandable, alot of movies rely on that drive, so they can adapt, learn and change, if they don't adapt and change then I think the show will have a problem.

    I did kind of get Arthas vibes from Galadriel at the start. leading them to the frozen north, wanting to abandon her men, an ogre... if she burned the ships and burned down a city we'd be set lol.

    Now I come to think of it, even the meteor man is just Tyreals origiin.... did the writers play alot of Blizzard games? Probably not the best inspiration lol.
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    Big LoTR movie fans, and read the trilogy back in the day before the movies came out, and loved it.

    My kids are 12 and 14, and we just watched the 4.5 hour extended edition of Return of the King last month, and my kids were glued to it, wide eyed and loved all 4+ hours of it. Not sleepy or wanting to go on their phones at all, they really liked Return of the King a lot.

    We watched the first episode late last night before bedtime, and both my kids were asleep on the couch about 40 minutes into it, and my Wife she's a casual fantasy fan, she liked the LoTR movies, and watching the first episode with us, she got up and left to change for bed about 30 minutes into it.

    Myself? I think I was forcing myself to like it, not be critical, but in reality I was getting pretty bored a half hour into it. Didn't hate it or anything, no, but wasn't crazy happy with it either, was kind of a big "meh". But I will say visually and the cinematography and look and style was beautiful it did look so pretty on my OLED TV, so that part I really liked.

    We will watch episode 2 tonight, but so far episode 1 I'd give a 6.5/7 out of 10, ok to good so far, not great, not terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    I did kind of get Arthas vibes from Galadriel at the start. leading them to the frozen north, wanting to abandon her men, an ogre... if she burned the ships and burned down a city we'd be set lol.

    Now I come to think of it, even the meteor man is just Tyreals origiin.... did the writers play alot of Blizzard games? Probably not the best inspiration lol.
    It's got total Warcraft vibes. I felt like I was watching a different Live Action Warcraft series more than a LOTR series, to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    This series isn't going to be based on any actual book material, it's just using characters and locations to build a setting for a new story that they're telling. Best not to think of the books at all if you have any interest in this series.


    That being said, this series does give me Hobbit new character vibes. It feels like if they took Radaghast, Tauriel and all the characters and sideplots that weren't in the original book and made it into a full-blown series, this is what we'd get.
    Well for me the book story-line was pretty much the only appeal of the whole thing, watched the first episode and not going to continue watching. Not interested in too much fan fiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    It's got total Warcraft vibes. I felt like I was watching a different Live Action Warcraft series more than a LOTR series, to be honest.
    So... we have come full circle it seems, given that a lot of Warcraft has been inspired by Tolkien's work. lol.

    I am just saying if we get a warband of good orcs who abandon their evil ways, we are ready to go. Them orcs be misunderstood lol
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    Whoever the homeless meteor guy is I don't want to find out. Even if he disappears into thin air and isn't mentioned again it would still be better for the series
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