Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[tikcol]

People complaining about negative review bombing on critic websites conveniently choose to not notice that there's more positive review bombing than negative. Which is happening with this show.

[Wilian]

I couldnt finish watching the first episode. The amount of cringe and facepalm was getting unhealthy. I think the final breaking point was that horribly coreographed and absolutely awful snowtroll soloed scene. Physically painful.

[PACOX]

People complaining about negative review bombing on critic websites conveniently choose to not notice that there's more positive review bombing than negative. Which is happening with this show.

WTF is positive bombing.

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I couldnt finish watching the first episode. The amount of cringe and facepalm was getting unhealthy. I think the final breaking point was that horribly coreographed and absolutely awful snowtroll soloed scene. Physically painful.

So you couldn't get past the first 5 min?

[Skulltaker]

Google it yourself or use a translator

https://www.land.nrw/pressemitteilun...hen-vorfaellen

You don’t have to believe me.

It’s labeled as anti racism etc.

The thing is, you can report people who express anti woke opinions no matter if they break law or not you understand?

We do not know how the reported people will end up, probably in a secret file with your name

Who knows for what those lists will be used

I do not make up things because i dont need

Try to google the case in your language

That’s just the beginning.

But yea label me as racist because i am anti censorship or against institutions where people can report you not liking black elves in tolkien

Weird

I am out of this sic discussion bye

'My language is German. I kind of doubt that yours is too because you're seriously misrepresenting what this part of the ministry is doing. And you'd never do that just to push your agenda, right? Lie about stuff?

First of all, none of these registries are any form of authority. They are e.Vs. (For non-Germans; an e.V., 'eingetragener Verein', roughly translated to 'registered Club' is a club that is acknowledged by the state as an existing entity, which brings certain privileges, the Club is, from a legal point of view, a person, represented by whoever is head of the said club. It allows you to open up a bank account and use of publically owned venues and stuff like that. It's ridiculously easy to found one if you bring some time.)

So it's an organized body composed of several, for the lack of a better word, clubs, that all fight against discrimination, and for strengthening the rights of migrants, LGBTQ people, and so on.

Now, you can forward any comment that you perceive as racist, anti-LGBTQ, and so on, said organization will then check if it is, possibly, against anti-discrimination laws, file your comment and potentially forward it to authorities.

There's no need for 'a secret file with your name', since it's all stuff you yourself put on display for everyone to see on the web. No one can 'report you', and there's no legal consequence whatsoever.

[Wilian]

So you couldn't get past the first 5 min?

Snowtroll was more than 15 minutes in, one fourth of the episode. And I did say that was the breaking point, I did linger longer to halfway or so. The cringing never ceased. It's interesting contrast to House of Dragons, another show I expected to dislike greatly but ended up enjoying thoroughly. This one is just facepalm moment to facepalm moment to a point of skin tearing off face.

[Universalgirl]

'My language is German. I kind of doubt that yours is too because you're seriously misrepresenting what this part of the ministry is doing. And you'd never do that just to push your agenda, right? Lie about stuff?

First of all, none of these registries are any form of authority. They are e.Vs. (For non-Germans; an e.V., 'eingetragener Verein', roughly translated to 'registered Club' is a club that is acknowledged by the state as an existing entity, which brings certain privileges, the Club is, from a legal point of view, a person, represented by whoever is head of the said club. It allows you to open up a bank account and use of publically owned venues and stuff like that. It's ridiculously easy to found one if you bring some time.)

So it's an organized body composed of several, for the lack of a better word, clubs, that all fight against discrimination, and for strengthening the rights of migrants, LGBTQ people, and so on.

Now, you can forward any comment that you perceive as racist, anti-LGBTQ, and so on, said organization will then check if it is, possibly, against anti-discrimination laws, file your comment and potentially forward it to authorities.

There's no need for 'a secret file with your name', since it's all stuff you yourself put on display for everyone to see on the web. No one can 'report you', and there's no legal consequence whatsoever.

That’s a lie i am from Germany.

And you didn’t even know about the institution that is currently created

Dude what the f?

It’s THE GOVERNMENT

„Die Landesregierung“

You are lying simply lying

Quote:

die Vorfälle auch unterhalb der Strafbarkeitsgrenze erfassen, analysieren und dokumentieren

Translated

We will collect, analysie, and archive also all cases that are not against law

Why do you lie that they will check if it’s against law?

Dude you are from Germany and didn’t even know about the authority.

So how can i expect that you would understand

That you can report people who are express opinions against „woke“ agenda

The statement is clear:

We will monitor, archive and analyise all reports that are against „woke“

Its not true that you report cases and they check if they against law.

Such authority is the police where you can report cases if you think they are against law

[InfiniteCharger]

Extremely negative reviews have existed since before there was social media.
Nothing is immune to such criticism, no matter how corporations try and pretend otherwise.
Siskel and Ebert used to trash movies on the regular. Corporations trying to put their stuff as above reproach for whatever reason is just marketing nonsense.

[Joszef Kiprich]

So where does it mention woke exactly? Or is that something you added?

[Festisio]

Snowtroll was more than 15 minutes in, one fourth of the episode. And I did say that was the breaking point, I did linger longer to halfway or so. The cringing never ceased. It's interesting contrast to House of Dragons, another show I expected to dislike greatly but ended up enjoying thoroughly. This one is just facepalm moment to facepalm moment to a point of skin tearing off face.

The Snow troll run up sword scene was indeed toe-curling. Almost as bad as "The Spin" in The Book of Boba Fett

[PACOX]

Extremely negative reviews have existed since before there was social media.
Nothing is immune to such criticism, no matter how corporations try and pretend otherwise.
Siskel and Ebert used to trash movies on the regular. Corporations trying to put their stuff as above reproach for whatever reason is just marketing nonsense.

Sites have always attempted screen bad faith reviews. It's obvious now because the people doing the reviews are self reporting.

[jonnysensible]

imagine giving a shit about reviews from random cunts on the internet

[cface]

I will probably see the show when the whole season is out. I don't really care about a black elf etc, but I do care about the social interaction, dialogues and general acting, which has really really been lacking lately in a ton of shows.

But review numbers I have never believed in, I simply watch an episode or 2 see how the characters are simply behaving and make me drawn in. If for example it's another stronk woman who beats up 3 guys with crappy skills and goes deep voice commando bs, it's instant turn off, cause that is just so lazy. It has nothing to do with women should not be included as strong.

[Skulltaker]

That’s a lie i am from Germany.

And you didn’t even know about the institution that is currently created

Dude what the f?

It’s THE GOVERNMENT

„Die Landesregierung“

You are lying simply lying

Quote:

die Vorfälle auch unterhalb der Strafbarkeitsgrenze erfassen, analysieren und dokumentieren

Translated

We will collect, analysie, and archive also all cases that are not against law

Why do you lie that they will check if it’s against law?

Dude you are from Germany and didn’t even know about the authority.

So how can i expect that you would understand

That you can report people who are express opinions against „woke“ agenda

The statement is clear:

We will monitor, archive and analyise all reports that are against „woke“

Its not true that you report cases and they check if they against law.

Such authority is the police where you can report cases if you think they are against law

I knew about the initiative. I was curious to see which one you meant, since exactly NOTHING in it lines up with what you stated the government was doing.

The Landesregierung made the statement. They are spearheading the initiative. The institution itself, however, is not part of the government. Work on your reading skills, then. Wer lesen kann ist klar im Vorteil. (Being able to read gives you an advantage.)

Also, if you're trying your hand at translating: 'Fälle unter der Strafbarkeitsgrenze' means 'cases below a level of punishment'; those are cases that don't end up in police reports and statistics. It's still against the law. Are you really that poorly educated that you don't comprehend what's written there? Try reading it again, this time the actual article, not some tl;dr version from your telegram group.

[InfiniteCharger]

Sites have always attempted screen bad faith reviews. It's obvious now because the people doing the reviews are self reporting.

What I mean is corporations pretending their product is special as 'saving the world from x' when it is just people playing make believe and getting paid a lot of money is the issue. Amazon is a corporation that makes hundreds of billions in revenue a year and has had many complaints and allegations of discrimination, sexism, anti-unionism, not caring about workers, etc over the years. So they use these kinds of entertainment products to try and give them a positive image and this is something that is par for the course these days. So it is marketing and PR which is about as fake as pretending a movie showing pristine lush wildlife is fixing the environment in California. If they wanted to do that they would shut down a bunch of their data centers.

[Joszef Kiprich]

I will probably see the show when the whole season is out. I don't really care about a black elf etc, but I do care about the social interaction, dialogues and general acting, which has really really been lacking lately in a ton of shows.

But review numbers I have never believed in, I simply watch an episode or 2 see how the characters are simply behaving and make me drawn in. If for example it's another stronk woman who beats up 3 guys with crappy skills and goes deep voice commando bs, it's instant turn off, cause that is just so lazy. It has nothing to do with women should not be included as strong.

Contradiction much?

[Specialka]

Contradiction much?

How is that contradictory ?

[s_bushido]

Siskel and Ebert used to trash movies on the regular.

Siskel and Ebert presumably didn't spend months leading up to the premier trashing it because actors involved were the wrong skin color, or because they'd convinced themselves that the story was going to be disrespectful and "woke" before they'd even seen a second of it.

Equating the criticism of movies by people like that to the obvious brigading/review bombing going on here is laughable.

It's a bit funny that there's been hardly any talk of the show itself here, but instead we're focused on people being upset that their transparent attempt to negatively manipulate the perceived reception of it is allegedly being met with a website's transparent attempt to do the opposite.

[Orby]

Well you do not understand how far woke ideology is pushed.

As example:

In germany one „state“ a bundesland is building a authority where people can report other people if they say something against woke agenda.

As example: you could get reported by saying i dont like rings of power because black elves are not tolkien

And this authority explicitly states you should report all statements that are also NOT AGAINST LAW.

You understand what’s brewing up?

I don’t believe Amazon a single word that they want to build a better world.

It’s about ideology.


Things to come.

If your problem with Rings of Power is an ideology that you feel they are pushing that is also a shit review too. Because you basically make that your focal point and are ignoring everything else, or allowing that ideal to control everything else about the show/movie. Movie is bad cos woke, acting is bad cos woke, cinematography is bad cos woke, sound is bad cos woke, woke is bad cos woke.

People seem so fixated on the racial shit or the 'woke agenda' like if that's your level for politicizing something then the problem isn't with the adaptation but with your obsession with looking at things politically.

[InfiniteCharger]

Siskel and Ebert presumably didn't spend months leading up to the premier trashing it because actors involved were the wrong skin color, or because they'd convinced themselves that the story was going to be disrespectful and "woke" before they'd even seen a second of it.

Equating the criticism of movies by people like that to the obvious brigading/review bombing going on here is laughable.

It's a bit funny that there's been hardly any talk of the show itself here, but instead we're focused on people being upset that their transparent attempt to negatively manipulate the perceived reception of it is allegedly being met with a website's transparent attempt to do the opposite.

You have no way of knowing why most people are rating this particular show they way they are. It is an oversimplification to suggest it is just about one thing. And this is why such knee jerk reactions are as bad as what they claim to be defending against.

My personal opinion is that I reject corporations attempts to use the struggles of people against injustice to make a profit. I see it as pandering because at the end of the day that fictional story is not fixing anything in real life and certainly those profits aren't going into the hands of any of those so victimized. And as for the show itself, it is insulting to anybody of any background for them to show elves being subject to a 'racist backlash' by these new made up populations in the south lands, to show how "racism is bad" and make it so close to the 'real world' with 4th grade writing. It is dumb and stupid because it contradicts what they claim to be doing and doesn't reflect Tolkien at all. And the fact that they made all this noise about it in advance only for the result to be so dumb and stupid is doubly annoying. Not to mention, many of the women in this show are shown as the opposite of what they claim is empowering. Galadriel is a cardboard cutout character more generic and boring than an NPC from a Raid Shadowlands commercial and the female Southland politician is a single mom stereotype. Like really? That is just bad on multiiple levels. Especially compared to the actual mythical level of respect and deference Galadriel had in the actual lore as a wise and intelligent elf and one of the first elves of the realm from the age of trees. It is just really bad and disrespectful to what Tolkien actually wrote.

[PACOX]

What I mean is corporations pretending their product is special as 'saving the world from x' when it is just people playing make believe and getting paid a lot of money is the issue. Amazon is a corporation that makes hundreds of billions in revenue a year and has had many complaints and allegations of discrimination, sexism, anti-unionism, not caring about workers, etc over the years. So they use these kinds of entertainment products to try and give them a positive image and this is something that is par for the course these days. So it is marketing and PR which is about as fake as pretending a movie showing pristine lush wildlife is fixing the environment in California. If they wanted to do that they would shut down a bunch of their data centers.

Oh I definitely agree with that. Amazon is full of shit when it comes to any and all things progressive.


How much does Amazon influence writers and show runners in that department though? A lot of this corporations don't care in that regard unless they think it will negatively impact their bottom line.