Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[PACOX]

I think the issue is that they inserted dark skin elves in a people which is not known for its dark skin. In a setting known for its quite isolationist population.

Why does being isolationist matter? There's many kinds of elves. How do we know none of them had dark skin?

[Dhrizzle]

I think the issue is that they inserted dark skin elves in a people which is not known for its dark skin. In a setting known for its quite isolationist population.

Well there was the War of Wrath where all the free peoples were summoned to fight Morgoth, then Beleriand was destroyed so there'd be subsequent migrations of displaced people, the Noldor had been mingling with Sindarin Elves since the First Age and of course Arondir is a soldier posted far from home so there has not been a lot of isolationism in his life. Not that it matters though, I dont think his skin colour signifies much more than the colour of his skin. Possibly a rarity (like red-headed elf children) but not important.

[tikcol]

So IMDB deletes every single written review below a 6 and you think it was because every single one of those were racist reviews? Interesting, tell me more about that !

[Tiwack]

Can tell they spent all their money on sets, costumes and vfx, I love the show but wish the pacing was better, there's some weird filler and bad acting here and there but which TVseries doesn't have that these days...

[Specialka]

Why does being isolationist matter? There's many kinds of elves. How do we know none of them had dark skin?

Because isolationist population tend to be of the same skin color, if they were not mixed beforehand

[Rennadrel]

Excuse me, but what? She is nothing even remotely close to Galadriel mate, might want to brush up a bit. The lore is pretty heavily butchered. The dialogue is rough in my opinion, and it certainly doesn't feel like the OG trilogy. The costumes feel very off to me, the visuals lack the tangibility of real scenes that they had back then, and lord the elf ears are bad.

They also try very hard to be profound but it becomes pretty obvious that the writers have zero life experience nor the linguistic fortitude that Tolkien had to ever create profound dialogue. The writing overall is very stilted and so the acting suffers because of it. Sure, the CGI is nice, but that is the only thing it has going for it. The costumes look mediocre and the armor looks fake as hell. Makes me wonder where all the money in the budget went if it didn't go to paying off critics for positive reviews of mediocrity.

[Universalgirl]

Wait wtf is wrong with dark skin elves? There's man tribes, race, whatever they call them in LOTR of elves. AFAIK nothing says elves can't have dark skin, there just hasn't been any mention of it. Not like the lore is closed and liberties can be made, Peter Jackson had creative liberties...quite a bit.


Really curious why that matters and so offensive to you.

I utterly disrespect forced diversity or indoctrination.

Amazon is pushing a ideology.

Amazon Inclusion Policy

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Higher roles on productions like directors, writers, and producers under Amazon Studios will need to meet a minimum of 30 percent of women and people within a marginalized racial or ethnic group. That number will rise to 50 percent by 2024. Casting an actor must match the identity of the character they will be playing.

You hire now by race,ethnic group, and sexual identity.

Amazon is also deciding now wich Review is good or bad faith

Bet their Review Team has also a quota of

90% 10/10(supporting ideology)
5% 2-9/10(doesn’t care or mention ideology)
5% 1/10 (against their ideology)

[Rennadrel]

imagine giving a shit about reviews from random cunts on the internet

Imagine giving a shit about reviews from people who are paid to give their opinion. There's zero incentive for them to be truthful.

[Kumorii]

They also try very hard to be profound but it becomes pretty obvious that the writers have zero life experience nor the linguistic fortitude that Tolkien had to ever create profound dialogue. The writing overall is very stilted and so the acting suffers because of it. Sure, the CGI is nice, but that is the only thing it has going for it. The costumes look mediocre and the armor looks fake as hell. Makes me wonder where all the money in the budget went if it didn't go to paying off critics for positive reviews of mediocrity.

The intro dialogue with the rock and the boat and what's up and down... oh boy.

[Gumble]

If you really need someone's opinion to know if a show/movie will appeal to you do this:

1) Find someone who likes the things you normally like. If they have good things to say about something you think is going to suck, give it a try.

2) Find someone else who will normally praise things you dislike. If they sound unsure or worse about something, avoid it.



Hearing the EFAP crew say they are cautiously optimistic about House of the Dragon? I'm giving it a shot even though I thought it was going to suck.

Hearing Grace Randolph say Rings of Power sucked. That sure says a lot after the check they no doubt gave her.

[BigToast]

I utterly disrespect forced diversity or indoctrination.

Amazon is pushing a ideology.

Amazon Inclusion Policy

Quote

Higher roles on productions like directors, writers, and producers under Amazon Studios will need to meet a minimum of 30 percent of women and people within a marginalized racial or ethnic group. That number will rise to 50 percent by 2024. Casting an actor must match the identity of the character they will be playing.

You hire now by race,ethnic group, and sexual identity.

Amazon is also deciding now wich Review is good or bad faith

Bet their Review Team has also a quota of

90% 10/10(supporting ideology)
5% 2-9/10(doesn’t care or mention ideology)
5% 1/10 (against their ideology)

racist or maybe bigot. at the least: triggered by diversity

[DarkAmbient]

I think they made an obvious reference with the way he was "talking" to the fireflies. But I think what happened in that scene is a pretty good indication that it's not going to be him.

It has to be a Maiar. And if not him, then it has to be a new character, as it can't be anyone from the books.

[PACOX]

I utterly disrespect forced diversity or indoctrination.

Its a made up universe where dark skin elves are not excluded, they just never came up in the lore. No such thing as "forced diversity" in that since, that statement is illogical. And if it really bothers you, just pretend the lore show and movies exist in a universe parallel to the books - since the movies aren't 1:1 adaptions anyway.


Literally trying prove a point that doesn't exist. Not touching the stuff beyond the scope of the show, not sure why any of that applies to Middle-Earth.

[Hansworst]

nonsense

Just let me look.
Wait a minute.
Almost done.
Let me see if I can find it.
Something to give you.
Found it!

Oh, wait. I don't give a fuck.

[Universalgirl]

Just let me look.
Wait a minute.
Almost done.
Let me see if I can find it.
Something to give you.
Found it!

Oh, wait. I don't give a fuck.

Go cry you in your pillows.

I dont care about woke fanaticism and their supporters (ignore list hello)

[Dhrizzle]

I utterly disrespect forced diversity or indoctrination.

Amazon is pushing a ideology.

Amazon Inclusion Policy

Quote

Higher roles on productions like directors, writers, and producers under Amazon Studios will need to meet a minimum of 30 percent of women and people within a marginalized racial or ethnic group. That number will rise to 50 percent by 2024. Casting an actor must match the identity of the character they will be playing.

You hire now by race,ethnic group, and sexual identity.

That isn't true, the policy you are quoting specifies that the first thing to consider is skill set.

[bledgor]

Finished episode 2 today, and continues to have a few upsides and a lot of downsides.

large note Details:
-Okay in episode 1 it bothered me, now it is a large issue. This is supposed to be Tolkien, why the fuck does everyone have access to fast travel? Ep1 Galadriel and company fast travel from the ice back, then they get on the ship and travel the 400 miles to Valinor, and we get o time reference. In this episode we have Elrond going to Eregion instantly, then traveling to Khazad-dum instantly with Celebrimbor (while wearing the same outfits). All with no reference to how long it tooks, all with none of the traveling bits that make Tolkien's work, Tolkien.

-Not to mention Elrond spends some amount of time in the contest (which was way over explained, show don't tell), before spending time with Durin IV, including having dinner, meanwhile Celebrimbor was just left outside the city?
-Galadriel jumping into the sea at the entrance of Valinor is still a mindbogglingly dumb decision, that 99.9999% of the time would result in her dying.
-Like others REALLY hope the wizard/meteor man isn't Gandalf, I wish it wasn't a wizard period, but if Gandalf, SO FUCKING BAD. I suspect they won't name him this season as they will try to acquire more rights from the Tolkien estate before answering who he is.
-Dwarfs are largely well done, like the looks, Khazad-dum looked great minus a few shots that suffered from CGI abuse (namely the one on the bridge where Elrond was in, could tell with living beings in the CGI cut it was CGI)
-That said a few of the accents of the dwarfs made me eye roll, but nothing outlandish and a minor nitpick.
-The Harfoots continue to annoy me, between the accent they can't settle on, to the hair crap, to the badly designed props (they had a torch with the opening at the top where the handle is, thus making the heat rise to your hand which is holding it?)
-The orc scene I enjoyed with Bronwyn and her son, though I did dislike how the orc looked, and how the scene ended. The orc looked too much like a pig and distracted me, and cutting of the scene it was like Bronwyn complains about "something" then perfectly time orc home invasion and she kills it with neither getting hurt while also perfectly cutting off its head to bring to the tavern? Like I get movie convenience, and in a better show I probably could overlook this, but it just felt so much like this happened in this order because plot demanded it not because it was a natural flow.
-Another thread I am worried about, they mentioned the Simarils which was cool, then they have the Dwarf king hiding some precious treasure from the Elves. I hope it is mithril, but a small part of me is prepping for the Dwarfs to be holding a Simaril which would be another large lore fuck up.


Final thoughts: Elves continue to be a large weak point for me, be it in dialogue, the ears/costumes, just about everything. Dislike Harfoots, humans are okay with hits and misses, while Dwarfs carry this episode from bad range to okay range. From a purely watching a fantasy show not by Tolkien standpoint I wouldn't say I hate the show, but I just feel 0 excitement/care for it, and unless some big moments turn me I will probably stop after episode 3 or 4 as I just can't find the will to watch it.

[Universalgirl]

That isn't true, the policy you are quoting specifies that the first thing to consider is skill set.

Yes ofc

The german woke institute isn’t true
The Amazon quotas are also a lie
All Ratings below 6 are racists
Forced and mixed ethnic and races are good

[Lady Atia]

Finished episode 2 today, and continues to have a few upsides and a lot of downsides.

large note Details:
-Okay in episode 1 it bothered me, now it is a large issue. This is supposed to be Tolkien, why the fuck does everyone have access to fast travel? Ep1 Galadriel and company fast travel from the ice back, then they get on the ship and travel the 400 miles to Valinor, and we get o time reference. In this episode we have Elrond going to Eregion instantly, then traveling to Khazad-dum instantly with Celebrimbor (while wearing the same outfits). All with no reference to how long it tooks, all with none of the traveling bits that make Tolkien's work, Tolkien.

-Not to mention Elrond spends some amount of time in the contest (which was way over explained, show don't tell), before spending time with Durin IV, including having dinner, meanwhile Celebrimbor was just left outside the city?
-Galadriel jumping into the sea at the entrance of Valinor is still a mindbogglingly dumb decision, that 99.9999% of the time would result in her dying.
-Like others REALLY hope the wizard/meteor man isn't Gandalf, I wish it wasn't a wizard period, but if Gandalf, SO FUCKING BAD. I suspect they won't name him this season as they will try to acquire more rights from the Tolkien estate before answering who he is.
-Dwarfs are largely well done, like the looks, Khazad-dum looked great minus a few shots that suffered from CGI abuse (namely the one on the bridge where Elrond was in, could tell with living beings in the CGI cut it was CGI)
-That said a few of the accents of the dwarfs made me eye roll, but nothing outlandish and a minor nitpick.
-The Harfoots continue to annoy me, between the accent they can't settle on, to the hair crap, to the badly designed props (they had a torch with the opening at the top where the handle is, thus making the heat rise to your hand which is holding it?)
-The orc scene I enjoyed with Bronwyn and her son, though I did dislike how the orc looked, and how the scene ended. The orc looked too much like a pig and distracted me, and cutting of the scene it was like Bronwyn complains about "something" then perfectly time orc home invasion and she kills it with neither getting hurt while also perfectly cutting off its head to bring to the tavern? Like I get movie convenience, and in a better show I probably could overlook this, but it just felt so much like this happened in this order because plot demanded it not because it was a natural flow.
-Another thread I am worried about, they mentioned the Simarils which was cool, then they have the Dwarf king hiding some precious treasure from the Elves. I hope it is mithril, but a small part of me is prepping for the Dwarfs to be holding a Simaril which would be another large lore fuck up.


Final thoughts: Elves continue to be a large weak point for me, be it in dialogue, the ears/costumes, just about everything. Dislike Harfoots, humans are okay with hits and misses, while Dwarfs carry this episode from bad range to okay range. From a purely watching a fantasy show not by Tolkien standpoint I wouldn't say I hate the show, but I just feel 0 excitement/care for it, and unless some big moments turn me I will probably stop after episode 3 or 4 as I just can't find the will to watch it.

- Of course they did travel, the show did just cut the boring stuff out because nothing happened during their travels. Keep in mind Middle-Earth is free of Morgoth and Sauron right now and Orcs, Goblins and Dragons aren't everywhere.
- Elrond did tell Celebrimbor that they would met again in their elven city. Celebrimbor just went home again.
- I would have done the same as Galadriel in that moment tbh.
- I also hope it's a blue wizard.

For your last point, it's 99% mithril. They already showed it in the trailers and it makes sense as they need it to craft the front door we saw in FotR. Also mithril was the reason they awoke the Balrog.

[Dhrizzle]

Yes ofc

The german woke institute isn’t true
The Amazon quotas are also a lie
All Ratings below 6 are racists
Forced and mixed ethnic and races are good

It's easily found online, I mean you just had to read a little bit beyond the words that suit your agenda.