1. #3441
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Amazon is a company whose only ideology is money.

    If they were truly "woke" they wouldn't be trying to bust burgeoning unions in their warehouses like they have been for a year.

    Your perception of the agenda, like I said, is culture war bullshit nonsense.
    Maybe it’s human nature? Culture War seems natural.

    When we look back at our past, and present it allways mattered.

    It allways was culture (nation) against another culture (nation).

    Allways conflicts.

    Maybe we are not completely compatible.

    In Zoo you also dont cage Lions with Monkeys, or Tigers with Elephants.

    It just doesn’t work.

    I dont know man, all i can think is that’s a failed attempt of humanity to force unity.

    But besides the culture war.

    Rings of Power seems to be trapped in a small Tolkien Box where you can’t barely move up or down, right or left.

  2. #3442
    Quote Originally Posted by Universalgirl View Post
    It’s something people dont want, simple as that.
    That's not the same thing as what's happening when something is review bombed. It's not just about "I don't like this", it's "I don't like this, and I don't want other people to like this, either". VERY different thing.

    Not to mention that - as people have already pointed out - neither "Tolkien freak" nor "forced woke" are particularly good reasons to criticize something with.

    Returning to the show itself... I've watched episode 2, and unlike many people I did not find it a particularly compelling piece, or a step up from the previous one. The dwarf parts were pretty good, though. I dislike the Scottish stereotype that somehow entered into common consciousness when it comes to dwarves, but I found both the visuals and the narrative surrounding them interesting and properly executed. With the possible exception of the "secret", which if it turns out to be a silmaril is going to wreak absolute havoc on the larger framework; but it might well not be (though it's heavily implied). I was surprised they even mentioned Fëanor and the silmaril at all, given how they skirted around the Silmarillion no-go zone in Ep 1.

    The whole man-from-the-sky thing just feels really forced to me. I guess we'll have to see who it turns out to be (though everyone expects Gandalf at this point) but it feels kind of out of place. The ocean parts are just... so bad. They add nothing to Galadriel's story or character, and it entirely feels like a forced encounter created for the sole purpose of bringing her to Númenor. Which they could just as easily have done by having her rescued by one of their ships right away, without spending an entire episode wet and shivering and being ogled by a rugged swashbuckler. In fact that would have made total sense, because Númenor was canonically known to frequently explore the sea to the West, ever envious of Valinor and the lands of Aman.

    I'll keep watching, though. WoT this is not. The quality is on a different level, despite its issues. Plus I want to see more of the dwarves. Heck make an entire show about THEM, please. Fuck the elves and humans and ESPECIALLY the hobbitses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    Yes, you are correct. The "negative aura" around this production is due almost entirely to bigots who can't stand the idea of black people playing fantasy characters. Now that the show is actually out, and people will see that it doesn't matter in the slightest, I imagine their pathetic "criticism" will fade rather quickly. Especially when they find a new target for their ridiculous anti-"woke" crusade.
    Good lord is must be hard to maintain this level of delusion on a daily basis.

  4. #3444
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami Dende View Post
    Good lord is must be hard to maintain this level of delusion on a daily basis.
    Did you read the reviews that were removed? Almost all of them were racist bullshit and hated on skin color. How is he delusional?

  5. #3445
    Quote Originally Posted by Askyl View Post
    Did you read the reviews that were removed? Almost all of them were racist bullshit and hated on skin color. How is he delusional?
    All reviews under 6 where racist?

    And we currently have 4 user reviews on episode 2.

    Seems super realistic
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    Am I reading someone rallying against alleged censorship of reviews when there's evidence of frivolous reviews? If you want to argue for the sanctify of review aggregators they you should also be for them taking steps against bad faith reviews both positive and negative.

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    Review bombers aren't voting 3-4-5... they are voting 1, maybe 2 if they want to be sneaky.
    There's no reason to purge 5 and below... well, except you know. Manipulation of numbers.

    Anyone paying attention to any of the media hysteria around this show knows there would be a lot of 1's from haters, but you also knew there would be lots of 10's from defenders.

    Then again, review numbers are just straight up useless because of the disingenuous voters on each side as well as the disingenuous manipulation. So...shrug..
    Mostly just fun to see the fallout on how people behave to justify why their numbers are wrong or correct.

  8. #3448
    I think it’s important to realize that about 99% of people watching this show do not discuss it on a forum, nor vote on review sites. There is a selection bias for both that favours the biggest fans and haters.

    This means that both 1’s and 10’s on review sites do make sense, though they are both quite ridiculous. It just means review sites do not display the real population.

  9. #3449
    That’s all what matters these days


  10. #3450
    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    Yes, and the premise of those bringing this up as if it matters is flawed to start with. People don't brigade these systems with 10s..
    Don't be stupid. Of course it happens, and it happens as often as people brigading 1's.

    There exists groups of people who blindly champion a product and give it 10/10 for the sake of boosting its rating just as there are those who put 1's to bring it down. And you even bring up a strong example of that with WoT.

    As someone summed it up nicely above, most people who watch don't even bother reviewing. Fans and haters are much more likely to care enough to give a review than the average casual watcher. And shows with large fandoms and shows that have something controversial tend to have their reviews swayed by both tribes.
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    I don't understand why people think user reviews are a fine metric to see how good a show is. (As in ever)

    So here's mine:

    Visuals are amazing and approaching the LotR movies. Way better then the Hobbit.
    Dwarves look awesome so far.
    Short hair elves are weird at first glance but not a deal breaker. Probably their hair grows incredibly slow.
    Pacing is off, like a lot.
    Don't like Galadriel but can't tell you why.

    So after two episodes I'd say 7/10

    And the stranger has to be Sauron or Morgoth/Melkor.
    Would be way too early for an Istari.
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  12. #3452
    Something doesn’t feel right about Galadriel

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    Quote Originally Posted by bledgor View Post
    He never ever describes as such, but as a leader, as someone wise, who guides others, who helps them to figure out what to do (as seen in the trilogy). She was never a fighter at any point, most females weren't which is why Eowen was such a big moment in the Return of the King. Just because you live thousands of years doesn't automatically make you an expert in many things, there are humans who live 100 years that are barely competent in one thing. To make her a warrior and a military leader is fanfic, you can like it, but it still remains fanfic.
    All female Elves would fight at times of need. It's typically the male Elves who would go forth to fight in other lands but "canonically" Galadriel tends towards masculine roles like wishing to rule and athleticism as well as being described as Amazon. Tolkien never explicitly wrote of her going out to fight but the story of the Second Age was due a rewrite to fit in her later characterisation and showing her as a warrior has some support from his notes and letters.

    They needed to add events to show it (probably due to licensing) but they really nailed her reasons for refusing to return to Aman despite longing to dwell there again. I also liked the little but if tension between her and Gil-galad where he carries more authority but everyone knows she carries more wisdom and is (again canonically) the greatest of the Elves living in Middle-earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hansworst View Post
    I don't understand why people think user reviews are a fine metric to see how good a show is. (As in ever)

    So here's mine:

    Visuals are amazing and approaching the LotR movies. Way better then the Hobbit.
    Dwarves look awesome so far.
    Short hair elves are weird at first glance but not a deal breaker. Probably their hair grows incredibly slow.
    Pacing if off, like a lot.
    Don't like Galadriel but can't tell you why.

    So after two episodes I'd say 7/10

    And the stranger has to be Sauron or Morgoth/Melkor.
    Would be way too early for an Istari.
    Tolkien was considering placing the Blue Wizards in the Second Age when he got around to rewriting the Silmarillion so it could be one of those. If it's Gandalf I would be very disappointed.

  14. #3454
    They not only disabled ratings, each „review“ will now be „reviewed“ to filter „bad faith“ ratings out.

    wow, curious how amazon determines what bad faith is


    Last edited by Universalgirl; 2022-09-03 at 06:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Universalgirl View Post
    They not only disabled ratings, each „review“ will now be „reviewed“ to filter „bad faith“ ratings out.

    Gee, I wonder why you didn't share a link to that article? Is it because of this:
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  16. #3456
    Quote Originally Posted by Hansworst View Post
    Don't like Galadriel but can't tell you why.
    I think it's a combination of the awkward dialogue and how they're framing her as a misunderstood outcast without like...really anything that would be necessary to establish that. Maybe it would work better if there had been more with Gil Galad and the implication that the other elves are uncomfortable around her because she might be harboring that dangerous darkness.

  17. #3457
    Quote Originally Posted by Hansworst View Post
    I don't understand why people think user reviews are a fine metric to see how good a show is. (As in ever)

    So here's mine:

    Visuals are amazing and approaching the LotR movies. Way better then the Hobbit.
    Dwarves look awesome so far.
    Short hair elves are weird at first glance but not a deal breaker. Probably their hair grows incredibly slow.
    Pacing if off, like a lot.
    Don't like Galadriel but can't tell you why.

    So after two episodes I'd say 7/10

    And the stranger has to be Sauron or Morgoth/Melkor.
    Would be way too early for an Istari.
    The stranger must be one of the blue wizards. Tolkien revisioned the coming of the Wizards and put the two blue ones in the 2nd age. Since the show kind of compressed the time a lot to make it easier for viewers (and them selves lol) a blue wizard would be both cool, fun and lore-wise okey!

    For me the show is a clear 10/10 so far though, I have been waiting for 2nd age on screen and as a huge Tolkien nerd I've known for 19 years they'd have to make huge changes, time compressions and fill out hell a lot of blanks to make it a movie or show.. Not sure why so many people have a hard time with that.

    Tiny bits of "They should have done this or that" but I was 99.9% into it. I didn't feel the pacing was of at all, neither did my wife or brother+GF.

    The only hair I kind of felt like "Lmao GEn Z Represent!" was Finrod. But he was such a handsome badass mofo with the best chin I've seen so it was ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by Askyl View Post

    The only hair I kind of felt like "Lmao GEn Z Represent!" was Finrod. But he was such a handsome badass mofo with the best chin I've seen so it was ok
    Well the buzzcut on Arondir was kinda strange but makes sense out of military point of view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hansworst View Post
    Gee, I wonder why you didn't share a link to that article? Is it because of this:
    It seems it’s not about „Review Bombing“ it’s about filtering out Reviews that are not in line with Amazon Studios Ideology.

    Ok so from now all reviews get reviewed.

    Approve most 10/10

    Disapprove 90% below 6

    Leave 10% to look authentic.

    Dude it’s not about a honest attempt to filter trolls out. It’s about showing positive reviews even if majority disagrees.

    Who decides what’s bad faith?
    You can now label all bad faith to push rating’s.

    Is 10/10 rating with expressing that black elves feels not tolkien bad faith?
    Last edited by Universalgirl; 2022-09-03 at 07:14 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Universalgirl View Post
    It seems it’s not about „Review Bombing“ it’s about filtering out Reviews that are not in line with Amazon Studios Ideology.

    Ok so from now all reviews get reviewed.

    Approve most 10/10

    Disapprove 90% below 6

    Leave 10% to look authentic.

    Dude it’s not about a honest attempt to filter trolls out. It’s about showing positive reviews even if majority disagrees.

    Who decides what’s bad faith?
    You can now label all bad faith to push rating’s.
    Even if that's true, why do you care so much? Is your life on the line or something?
    Do you want this "woke" show to fail, even if it isn't as bad as your favorite youtubers predicted?

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    I saw some of those 1/10 user reviews and most of them were toxic as hell, with lots of racial slur. If they would only moderate 1/10 reviews those neckbeards would vote 2/10 and so on.
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