1. #3461
    Quote Originally Posted by Hansworst View Post
    Even if that's true, why do you care so much? Is your life on the line or something?
    Do you want this "woke" show to fail, even if it isn't as bad as your favorite youtubers predicted?

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    I saw some of those 1/10 user reviews and most of them were toxic as hell, with lots of racial slur. If they would only moderate 1/10 reviews those neckbeards would vote 2/10 and so on.
    Why do you care so much?

    You want a reality where only reviews are counted that Amazon Studios approved as not bad faith? Based on ideological presets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Universalgirl View Post
    Why do you care so much?

    You want a reality where only reviews are counted that Amazon Studios approved as not bad faith? Based on ideological presets?
    No I don't care about useless anonymous reviews on the internet. I'm perfectly fine forming an opinion all by myself. I even only glance over critic reviews.
    You should try that, saves you a lot of energy, time and outrage.

  3. #3463
    Quote Originally Posted by Hansworst View Post
    No I don't care about useless anonymous reviews on the internet. I'm perfectly fine forming an opinion all by myself. I even only glance over critic reviews.
    You should try that, saves you a lot of energy, time and outrage.
    No reason to be aggressive. When you support censorship based on ideology it’s your call.

  4. #3464
    Quote Originally Posted by Hansworst View Post
    Well the buzzcut on Arondir was kinda strange but makes sense out of military point of view.
    But it only makes sense if Elves had electric razors, otherwise it seems kind of pointless cutting a fade with scissors when a simpler haircut would be more practical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    But it only makes sense if Elves had electric razors, otherwise it seems kind of pointless cutting a fade with scissors when a simpler haircut would be more practical.
    As said earlier in this thread, there are plenty of oldschool barbers who can create such haircuts without electrical appliances in an instant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Universalgirl View Post
    No reason to be aggressive. When you support censorship based on ideology it’s your call.
    Pot meet kettle. It isn't censorship based on ideology, it's removing toxic, racist comments on a privately owned website.
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  6. #3466
    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    But it only makes sense if Elves had electric razors, otherwise it seems kind of pointless cutting a fade with scissors when a simpler haircut would be more practical.
    Doesn't have to ONLY be practical. You think those breastplate decorations are practical? Very clearly elves care about aesthetics as well, so it would make total sense that their haircuts would reflect that, too. And remember: this is magical stuff at work. They can hammer out crystals of light, they can snip-snap a fade haircut with mithril shears and 2,000 years of barber experience like THAT.

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    I get it, getting so emotional about user reviews being moderated probably means one of your racist or at least xenophobic reviews got removed.

    That's the last I'll say about this. Back to the show.

  8. #3468
    Quote Originally Posted by Hansworst View Post
    And the stranger has to be Sauron or Morgoth/Melkor.
    Would be way too early for an Istari.
    It's almost guaranteed to be Gandalf. He was sent to aid Middle Earth against Sauron's reemerging power, which falls into what the show is portraying; he was reluctant to go, stating he was afraid of Sauron and weak; he took the form of an old man from the beginning to show humility; and he is strongly associated with fire (the "Secret Fire" of Eru Ilúvatar, and later the bearer of Narya, the Ring of Fire). He's even demonstrated his aptitude to talk to insects in the Jackson movies, in almost the EXACT SAME WAY as the Stranger talks to the fireflies.

    Those are all perfect fits. Whereas for him to be either Sauron or Melkor, there'd have to be massive changes to the entire established lore.

  9. #3469
    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    It's almost guaranteed to be Gandalf. He was sent to aid Middle Earth against Sauron's reemerging power, which falls into what the show is portraying; he was reluctant to go, stating he was afraid of Sauron and weak; he took the form of an old man from the beginning to show humility; and he is strongly associated with fire (the "Secret Fire" of Eru Ilúvatar, and later the bearer of Narya, the Ring of Fire). He's even demonstrated his aptitude to talk to insects in the Jackson movies, in almost the EXACT SAME WAY as the Stranger talks to the fireflies.

    Those are all perfect fits. Whereas for him to be either Sauron or Melkor, there'd have to be massive changes to the entire established lore.
    Wouldn't that need to be the case for Gandalf? From what I've gathered he went to Middle Earth during the third age.

    I still think it is Gandalf, because they already change things like hobbits for example, but that means they could also change it to be anyone really. But they are really going into the Gandalf look, so if they bait and switch it just feels like deliberate bait and switch for the audience.
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  10. #3470
    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    Doesn't have to ONLY be practical. You think those breastplate decorations are practical? Very clearly elves care about aesthetics as well, so it would make total sense that their haircuts would reflect that, too. And remember: this is magical stuff at work. They can hammer out crystals of light, they can snip-snap a fade haircut with mithril shears and 2,000 years of barber experience like THAT.
    If we're talking about appeal, then that's a whole different story.

    No offense to those who like the look, but a buzzcut is generally chosen for its practicality than for its aesthetics. We see plenty of Elves with short hair in this series, there's a certain look they seem to go for that I'd agree with them being both practical and establishes the Elf aesthetic. Arondir happens to be the only one with a tight buzzcut.

    If we're talking about Elves caring about aesthetics and having magical scissors and barbers with 2000 years of experience, then I don't see a reason why Arondir would settle with a buzzcut with a fade. It still wouldn't make sense to me. I can see from a 'directors' point of view that maybe they wanted him to stand out from the rest with a completely different aesthetic and look, but it's for this reason that it's also odd that it differs so dramatically from the Elf aesthetic they're setting with the rest of the short haired looks.
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  11. #3471
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Reviewing it as 0/10 or 1/10 in bad faith is also manipulating the rating. What would your solution to that be? They're trying to purge "fake" reviews, but obviously trying to apply an objective lens to what's a fake review vs. a genuine one is impossible, so they have to pick a number to purge from. And because this has happened before, trolls have given slightly higher scores, like a 2/10, to get past these purges. It's an arms race to try and reflect the reality of the reviews. I think purging 5 and lower is probably a bridge too far, but there's no good solution.

    Or, since you agree with the deliberate tanking of the rating, do you find those valid?
    The 0 or 1 out of 10 ratings are from people who actually really hate the idea that this big company thought they could use their money to buy one of the most well known works of modern fiction and butcher it. That is an honest review. This story has been known around the world for over 60 years as one of the best works of English fiction written in the modern era that influenced a whole genre of writers and creators in books, television, movies and games. No I don't think those are all dishonest reviews.

    On the other hand, there are people who legitimately believe that Tolkien is no more special than any other IP and is just a story with no particular importance or meaning. To them it is just a TV show and deserves to exist and they may believe it is unfair to judge it beyond that. So for them the fact that Amazon spent all that money and produced something in the first place for this IP is all that is required to get a 10 rating. Therefore some of those are also honest ratings. Everybody isn't a lore nerd.
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  12. #3472
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Reviewing it as 0/10 or 1/10 in bad faith is also manipulating the rating. What would your solution to that be? They're trying to purge "fake" reviews, but obviously trying to apply an objective lens to what's a fake review vs. a genuine one is impossible, so they have to pick a number to purge from. And because this has happened before, trolls have given slightly higher scores, like a 2/10, to get past these purges. It's an arms race to try and reflect the reality of the reviews. I think purging 5 and lower is probably a bridge too far, but there's no good solution.

    Or, since you agree with the deliberate tanking of the rating, do you find those valid?
    10/10 ratings aren't disingenuous? Because there are more of those than 1/10 ratings by a substancial margin. I can only assume deliberatly inflating the rating is valid for you.

    Curiously out of the first 3k votes, 2k of them were 10/10 on imdb.
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    I didn't notice it but according to reddit you can see Mount Doom in the background of the human settlement. Kind of dope.

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  14. #3474
    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    I didn't notice it but according to reddit you can see Mount Doom in the background of the human settlement. Kind of dope.
    So are the Southlands supposed to be a pre-corrupted Mordor or something?

  15. #3475
    Watched the first Episode. It was okay. The sets and armour look weirdly cheap here and there, though, or rather fake. Might just be a lack of suspension of disbelief.

    The actors played their parts well. I'm still not on board with short-haired Elves, but that discussion leads nowhere.

    The bullying Elven Kids at the beginning was complete bullshit. These are Elves that don't know suffering, want, or death. No reason for them to be dicks. And no, Kids won't be Kids. These are elves.
    The humans, even if descended from Followers of Morgoth, being rude to the Elves, calling them Knifeears and Pointyears felt very un-Tolkien to me. The exchange between Arondir and his fellow Elven Warrior that ended in 'You smell like rotten leaves' was terrible too.

    I'm also not on board with the depiction of Elven warriors aside the A-Team. That's something that the movies didn't get right either... showed Elves at the same level as Orcs and uruk-hai. They come of way to weak compared to humans.

    I'm curious to see where it leads.

    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    So are the Southlands supposed to be a pre-corrupted Mordor or something?
    At least from the map they showed it should be the region directly north of Mordor, with the towering mountain range 'to the right' bein the Ash mountains, Ered Lithuin. Although there shouldn't be any mountains 'to the left', so the valley where the human settlement is could be the valley of Udun, and would put Arondir's Garrison roughly where the Black Gate will be.

  16. #3476
    Just finished the first two episodes. Are these elven men supposed to not be very pretty in this show? I don’t want to call them ugly but they certainly don’t look like any elves I would have imagined being in Tolkien’s world.

    The hair is ridiculous too lol. Elrond’s cracked me up.
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  17. #3477
    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    Those are all perfect fits. Whereas for him to be either Sauron or Melkor, there'd have to be massive changes to the entire established lore.
    I don't know much about it, but there being similarities between the powers of Sauron and Gandalf makes sense, given that they're both Maiar. I think the biggest problem with the idea that he's Sauron would be that Celebrimbor is apparently already planning to make the rings...which I assume means that Sauron is already among the elves.

  18. #3478
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Reviewing it as 0/10 or 1/10 in bad faith is also manipulating the rating. What would your solution to that be? They're trying to purge "fake" reviews, but obviously trying to apply an objective lens to what's a fake review vs. a genuine one is impossible, so they have to pick a number to purge from. And because this has happened before, trolls have given slightly higher scores, like a 2/10, to get past these purges. It's an arms race to try and reflect the reality of the reviews. I think purging 5 and lower is probably a bridge too far, but there's no good solution.

    Or, since you agree with the deliberate tanking of the rating, do you find those valid?
    0/10, 1/10,9/10,10/10 should be purged. There, fixed. Ah yes, since Imdb belongs to Amazon, only the lowest will be removed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    0/10, 1/10,9/10,10/10 should be purged. There, fixed. Ah yes, since Imdb belongs to Amazon, only the lowest will be removed.
    While I agree giving the show a 1/10 or a 10/10 is pretty much dumb, especially when we are only 2 episodes in. when do we start dictating peoples actual feelings on a show. Personally I don't think scoring should be open until the season is finished, unless the site you review at, allows reviewing by individual episode.

    Quote Originally Posted by Godric View Post
    Just finished the first two episodes. Are these elven men supposed to not be very pretty in this show? I don’t want to call them ugly but they certainly don’t look like any elves I would have imagined being in Tolkien’s world.

    The hair is ridiculous too lol. Elrond’s cracked me up.
    I did say before the show came out that all the elves (or most) look like British politicians. I was half expecting Boris Johnson to walk on set as a an elf. They are not the eternally youthful elves I have come to expect. although I will admit while watching the show, I did kind of forget it from time to time. I do feel Amazon wanted to do their version of what elves would be. a common thing through the mental thinking of this show lets not forget. Its Amazons vision.
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  20. #3480
    Quote Originally Posted by Hansworst View Post
    As said earlier in this thread, there are plenty of oldschool barbers who can create such haircuts without electrical appliances in an instant.

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    Pot meet kettle. It isn't censorship based on ideology, it's removing toxic, racist comments on a privately owned website.
    Still censorship. Maybe "needed" but still.

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