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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Still censorship. Maybe "needed" but still.
    You do not even know what censorship is. You don't walk into someone house/workplace and say whatever you want and expect no repercussions. Its called etiquette. You have a right to say whatever you want, but you do not have a right to get a way with it. Its like calling property damage freedom of expression. Your freedom is allowed on the basis that you can say and do whatever you want. But those are adhered under the laws that are enforced around them.

    If your review on a site is, 'this movie sucks cos it has black elves and is forcing SJW agendas, something something, conspiracy, something something' then they have a right to take that down if they feel its bad faith. Its their site. (Its also a shit review if that's considered a review to you)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    You do not even know what censorship is. You don't walk into someone house/workplace and say whatever you want and expect no repercussions. Its called etiquette. You have a right to say whatever you want, but you do not have a right to get a way with it. Its like calling property damage freedom of expression. Your freedom is allowed on the basis that you can say and do whatever you want. But those are adhered under the laws that are enforced around them.
    Well you do not understand how far woke ideology is pushed.

    As example:

    In germany one „state“ a bundesland is building a authority where people can report other people if they say something against woke agenda.

    As example: you could get reported by saying i dont like rings of power because black elves are not tolkien

    And this authority explicitly states you should report all statements that are also NOT AGAINST LAW.

    You understand what’s brewing up?

    I don’t believe Amazon a single word that they want to build a better world.

    It’s about ideology.


    Things to come.
    Last edited by Universalgirl; 2022-09-03 at 09:43 AM.

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    CGI is very impressive and tasteful, writing is soapy and fluffy with a lot of boring dialogue. Music is decent. It's pretty light compared to the movies and nowhere near as intelligent as the books. It's ending every episode on cliffhangers though, so like most regular TV shows people will probably keep watching it for the cliffhangers alone.

    The casting I don't like. I'm no contrarian that hates activism in the arts, but they could've cast the different races to actually look like different races in a world that is all about different races. Other than prosthetic ears and wigs there really is nothing setting them apart. Elves are not attractive or mystical in any way but do have have prosthetic ears, hobbits have grass in their wigs and that's about it. The casting overall feels strained. Galadriel is fine, but beyond that character yikes.

    This could go either way. It could easily improve but it could just as easily settle into being netflix commercial trash type TV.

  4. #3484
    Quote Originally Posted by Universalgirl View Post
    Well you do not understand how far woke ideology is pushed.

    As example:

    In germany one „state“ a bundesland is building a authority where people can report other people if they say something against woke agenda.

    As example: you could get reported by saying i dont like rings of power because black elves are not tolkien

    And this authority explicitly states you should report all statements that are also NOT AGAINST LAW.

    You understand what’s brewing up?

    I don’t believe Amazon a single word that they want to build a better world.

    It’s about ideology.


    Things to come.
    I'm sure you have a source for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Universalgirl View Post
    Well you do not understand how far woke ideology is pushed.

    As example:

    In germany one „state“ a bundesland is building a authority where people can report other people if they say something against woke agenda.

    As example: you could get reported by saying i dont like rings of power because black elves are not tolkien

    And this authority explicitly states you should report all statements that are also NOT AGAINST LAW.

    You understand what’s brewing up?

    I don’t believe Amazon a single word that they want to build a better world.

    It’s about ideology.


    Things to come.
    Well, first of all you should be reported for that because it's just a false statement and if you're actually a Tolkien expert, you'd know that. I don't care if you use Tolkien as an excuse to be racist, but misquoting him and talking about Tolkiens world as if you actually knew stuff when you don't should be a crime.

    There is NO INSTANCE AT ALL where Tolkien described ALL elfs to be of white or pale skin. He've said some groups are, and some specific persons are. Tolkien have only always described elfs as being Fair-skinned which in his time only meant beautiful. When he want to make a point about skin color he've used Pale or White.

    If an elf live in southlands for 100+ years, the sun would without a doubt make their skin darker. Because that's how his world works.

  6. #3486
    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    You do not even know what censorship is. You don't walk into someone house/workplace and say whatever you want and expect no repercussions. Its called etiquette. You have a right to say whatever you want, but you do not have a right to get a way with it. Its like calling property damage freedom of expression. Your freedom is allowed on the basis that you can say and do whatever you want. But those are adhered under the laws that are enforced around them.

    If your review on a site is, 'this movie sucks cos it has black elves and is forcing SJW agendas, something something, conspiracy, something something' then they have a right to take that down if they feel its bad faith. Its their site. (Its also a shit review if that's considered a review to you)
    Want to bet we won't get low rating now ? It is censorship. Even if it is done in "good faith". I mean, they have the right to do so obviously, and we have the right to called it out for what it is.

  7. #3487
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Want to bet we won't get low rating now ? It is censorship. Even if it is done in "good faith". I mean, they have the right to do so obviously, and we have the right to called it out for what it is.
    while the rating is low on imdb most reviews are from 8-10 on how ''brilliant and exciting'' this show is, and many are written by fresh users on imdb. somethings not quite right with me on that. and since this show does have that putrid smell of woke i decided not to give it a chance. the books and pjacksons triology were enough for me. and i shall not fault anyone for liking it, different strokes for different folks i guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skulltaker View Post
    I'm sure you have a source for that.
    Google it yourself or use a translator

    https://www.land.nrw/pressemitteilun...hen-vorfaellen

    You don’t have to believe me.

    It’s labeled as anti racism etc.

    The thing is, you can report people who express anti woke opinions no matter if they break law or not you understand?

    We do not know how the reported people will end up, probably in a secret file with your name

    Who knows for what those lists will be used

    I do not make up things because i dont need

    Try to google the case in your language

    That’s just the beginning.

    But yea label me as racist because i am anti censorship or against institutions where people can report you not liking black elves in tolkien

    Weird

    I am out of this sic discussion bye

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    Quote Originally Posted by Askyl View Post
    Did you read the reviews that were removed? Almost all of them were racist bullshit and hated on skin color. How is he delusional?
    Because there is still 1000's that left reviews not even mentioning races instead just mentioning how utterly trash the show was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melius View Post
    while the rating is low on imdb most reviews are from 8-10 on how ''brilliant and exciting'' this show is, and many are written by fresh users on imdb. somethings not quite right with me on that. and since this show does have that putrid smell of woke i decided not to give it a chance. the books and pjacksons triology were enough for me. and i shall not fault anyone for liking it, different strokes for different folks i guess.
    Lots of 5 stars on rotten tomatoes are just single comments in the line of "BEAUTIFUL".
    Which is a stupid reason to vote max score on something.

    Also quite bit of reviews that points out flaws and still give it 5 stars, which skews it even more.
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  11. #3491
    People complaining about negative review bombing on critic websites conveniently choose to not notice that there's more positive review bombing than negative. Which is happening with this show.
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  12. #3492
    I couldnt finish watching the first episode. The amount of cringe and facepalm was getting unhealthy. I think the final breaking point was that horribly coreographed and absolutely awful snowtroll soloed scene. Physically painful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tikcol View Post
    People complaining about negative review bombing on critic websites conveniently choose to not notice that there's more positive review bombing than negative. Which is happening with this show.
    WTF is positive bombing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    I couldnt finish watching the first episode. The amount of cringe and facepalm was getting unhealthy. I think the final breaking point was that horribly coreographed and absolutely awful snowtroll soloed scene. Physically painful.
    So you couldn't get past the first 5 min?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Universalgirl View Post
    Google it yourself or use a translator

    https://www.land.nrw/pressemitteilun...hen-vorfaellen

    You don’t have to believe me.

    It’s labeled as anti racism etc.

    The thing is, you can report people who express anti woke opinions no matter if they break law or not you understand?

    We do not know how the reported people will end up, probably in a secret file with your name

    Who knows for what those lists will be used

    I do not make up things because i dont need

    Try to google the case in your language

    That’s just the beginning.

    But yea label me as racist because i am anti censorship or against institutions where people can report you not liking black elves in tolkien

    Weird

    I am out of this sic discussion bye
    'My language is German. I kind of doubt that yours is too because you're seriously misrepresenting what this part of the ministry is doing. And you'd never do that just to push your agenda, right? Lie about stuff?

    First of all, none of these registries are any form of authority. They are e.Vs. (For non-Germans; an e.V., 'eingetragener Verein', roughly translated to 'registered Club' is a club that is acknowledged by the state as an existing entity, which brings certain privileges, the Club is, from a legal point of view, a person, represented by whoever is head of the said club. It allows you to open up a bank account and use of publically owned venues and stuff like that. It's ridiculously easy to found one if you bring some time.)

    So it's an organized body composed of several, for the lack of a better word, clubs, that all fight against discrimination, and for strengthening the rights of migrants, LGBTQ people, and so on.

    Now, you can forward any comment that you perceive as racist, anti-LGBTQ, and so on, said organization will then check if it is, possibly, against anti-discrimination laws, file your comment and potentially forward it to authorities.

    There's no need for 'a secret file with your name', since it's all stuff you yourself put on display for everyone to see on the web. No one can 'report you', and there's no legal consequence whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post

    So you couldn't get past the first 5 min?
    Snowtroll was more than 15 minutes in, one fourth of the episode. And I did say that was the breaking point, I did linger longer to halfway or so. The cringing never ceased. It's interesting contrast to House of Dragons, another show I expected to dislike greatly but ended up enjoying thoroughly. This one is just facepalm moment to facepalm moment to a point of skin tearing off face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skulltaker View Post
    'My language is German. I kind of doubt that yours is too because you're seriously misrepresenting what this part of the ministry is doing. And you'd never do that just to push your agenda, right? Lie about stuff?

    First of all, none of these registries are any form of authority. They are e.Vs. (For non-Germans; an e.V., 'eingetragener Verein', roughly translated to 'registered Club' is a club that is acknowledged by the state as an existing entity, which brings certain privileges, the Club is, from a legal point of view, a person, represented by whoever is head of the said club. It allows you to open up a bank account and use of publically owned venues and stuff like that. It's ridiculously easy to found one if you bring some time.)

    So it's an organized body composed of several, for the lack of a better word, clubs, that all fight against discrimination, and for strengthening the rights of migrants, LGBTQ people, and so on.

    Now, you can forward any comment that you perceive as racist, anti-LGBTQ, and so on, said organization will then check if it is, possibly, against anti-discrimination laws, file your comment and potentially forward it to authorities.

    There's no need for 'a secret file with your name', since it's all stuff you yourself put on display for everyone to see on the web. No one can 'report you', and there's no legal consequence whatsoever.
    That’s a lie i am from Germany.

    And you didn’t even know about the institution that is currently created

    Dude what the f?

    It’s THE GOVERNMENT

    „Die Landesregierung“

    You are lying simply lying

    Quote:

    die Vorfälle auch unterhalb der Strafbarkeitsgrenze erfassen, analysieren und dokumentieren

    Translated

    We will collect, analysie, and archive also all cases that are not against law

    Why do you lie that they will check if it’s against law?

    Dude you are from Germany and didn’t even know about the authority.

    So how can i expect that you would understand

    That you can report people who are express opinions against „woke“ agenda

    The statement is clear:

    We will monitor, archive and analyise all reports that are against „woke“

    Its not true that you report cases and they check if they against law.

    Such authority is the police where you can report cases if you think they are against law

  17. #3497
    Extremely negative reviews have existed since before there was social media.
    Nothing is immune to such criticism, no matter how corporations try and pretend otherwise.
    Siskel and Ebert used to trash movies on the regular. Corporations trying to put their stuff as above reproach for whatever reason is just marketing nonsense.

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    So where does it mention woke exactly? Or is that something you added?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    Snowtroll was more than 15 minutes in, one fourth of the episode. And I did say that was the breaking point, I did linger longer to halfway or so. The cringing never ceased. It's interesting contrast to House of Dragons, another show I expected to dislike greatly but ended up enjoying thoroughly. This one is just facepalm moment to facepalm moment to a point of skin tearing off face.
    The Snow troll run up sword scene was indeed toe-curling. Almost as bad as "The Spin" in The Book of Boba Fett

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    Quote Originally Posted by InfiniteCharger View Post
    Extremely negative reviews have existed since before there was social media.
    Nothing is immune to such criticism, no matter how corporations try and pretend otherwise.
    Siskel and Ebert used to trash movies on the regular. Corporations trying to put their stuff as above reproach for whatever reason is just marketing nonsense.
    Sites have always attempted screen bad faith reviews. It's obvious now because the people doing the reviews are self reporting.

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