Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[OwenBurton]

So you can only bring down giant beasts if you're likable... Gotta add that to me writing 101.

Also before you say I am defending the Galadriel character, I also think she is the worst part of the series, I am not entirely into her arc or the direction of her acting.

I think Clark should have been kept as a human supporting character, perhaps even the main female human protagonist, but someone else was better for the role of Galadriel. I don't really dislike her specifically, her acting and portrayal just seems somehow off and out of sync and almost forced in some ways. I think it is sad that people attack her (there was a video saying that she needed therapy after the backlash), but when you are trying to be the main character in a $250 million production by a major company, that role does come with very high expectations and qualifications.

I'm not sure who, perhaps that blond British actress from The Great Gatsby? Again, I liked Arwen and Tauriel and their actresses immensely, they both seemed uniquely elven and realistic in a way that this young Galadriel isn't, really immersing you in an otherworldly setting with their performance and dialogue and interactions with fellow characters. I think the Eowyn actress, were she 20 years younger, could have made a very fine young Galadriel!

[Gumble]

So you can only bring down giant beasts if you're likable... Gotta add that to me writing 101.

Not directed at you, but just an appropriate line to toss it in on.....



For everyone here who loves it so much, I give you something to aim your vitriol at:





LOTR should have thrown a few of them into it....

[Biomega]

I think it is sad that people attack her (there was a video saying that she needed therapy after the backlash), but when you are trying to be the main character in a $250 million production by a major company, that role does come with very high expectations and qualifications.

Personal attacks are, of course, never okay. But the actress isn't the only one to blame. It's the job of the directors and producers, too, to make sure that this doesn't happen. You can't play that character like you would a random human character in some regular drama show. That's just not how it works. If you can't handle the kind of emotional complexity that comes with playing an elf who only LOOKS young but really very much isn't, then you shouldn't be picked to portray one. I'm not saying e.g. Arondir is done perfectly, but in that respect at least the actor does a far better job at it than Galadriel's actress does with her character.

Part of the problem is of course that actors are trained in a certain way, and that way is really focused on human characters. Playing non-humans is challenging; WRITING them is challenging, too, if you don't want to fall into overdrawn stereotypes or the whole "human, but with different ears" thing that persistently haunts genres like SF and Fantasy.

[Orby]

I think Clark should have been kept as a human supporting character, perhaps even the main female human protagonist, but someone else was better for the role of Galadriel. I don't really dislike her specifically, her acting and portrayal just seems somehow off and out of sync and almost forced in some ways. I think it is sad that people attack her (there was a video saying that she needed therapy after the backlash), but when you are trying to be the main character in a $250 million production by a major company, that role does come with very high expectations and qualifications.

I'm not sure who, perhaps that blond British actress from The Great Gatsby? Again, I liked Arwen and Tauriel and their actresses immensely, they both seemed uniquely elven and realistic in a way that this young Galadriel isn't, really immersing you in an otherworldly setting with their performance and dialogue and interactions with fellow characters. I think the Eowyn actress, were she 20 years younger, could have made a very fine young Galadriel!

I am not even sure its fair for me to say she is a good Galadriel, she has moments but I think that's more down to the stuff going on around her, and camera shots. Also it may be my more familiarity with the movies over the books, but she looks way too human. Personally I would have been totally fine if the role of Galadriel wasnt even Galadriel but an entirely new character.

and as much as I think the show so far is... fine... I honest feel they should have went the Shadow of Mordor route and just bring us new characters in a second age setting with maybe some cameos thrown in.

For everyone here who loves it so much, I give you something to aim your vitriol at:

You assume I 'loved' the show. That's cute. I got lots of complaints about the show, I thought the show was decent at best. I Just think most of the complaints about the show are unwarranted and dumb. I am yet to be wowed. By the end of the season I could hate the show, who knows. The biggest praise I have for the show is the musical score and the costume design for the orcs

This forum tends to be very hyperbolic, like the show can either only be good or bad and never in-between. Thankfully I am the in-between. (which feels like the Last Jedi all over again ugh)

[Niwes]

I use the 8.5 rating for the series, movies can go like down to 6 or even lower.

using solely an imdb rating, regardless for what, as an absolute break point, offers the least meaningful value and is in my opinion the most stupid thing, one can base a descission on.

when paired WITH, and set in relation TO, other critics like metacrirics or rotten tomatoes, the metrics of imdb ratings are fine. used solo, as an absolute measurement, it’s horrible and plain useless.

every cineast will tell you the same. but if you are just watching 5 series in 20-40 years, ofc it’s fine.

[rogoth]

Can't say I've heard any praise of the elephant scene, nor the shield sliding scenes. Most ridicule them.

even if you ignore the fantastical nature of the way he got up on the oliphaunt, the three arrows to the brain was a very realistic way to kill it, unlike the superman jump off a sword into some blade twirling bollox and then somehow it's weak enough to drop its head and she pokes a hole through the skull with a dagger, they are night and day from each other in terms of farcical presentations of super elves.

[Adamas102]

Yet the anachronisms are generally within reason and applied to a setting where melee combat was how warfare was fought, and there was no advanced technology as far as what could be considered modern. The range of technology is loose enough to be based on a point in time before gunpowder was widely used for hand-weapons. The anachronisms don't make the setting completely unfamiliar to history.

Like even the Warhammer fantasy setting is completely anachronistic and mixes Aztec culture with Teutonic Knights and Vikings and gunpowder-using Riflemen. Even Dwarves employ 'Tanks', but the setting wouldn't be comparable to say 1920's warfare just because they have access to tanks. It's just how the setting presents itself.

With Middle Earth, the anachronisms are less egregious.

This just boils down to a misunderstanding of how numbers work.

The span of time from the Early to the Late Middle Ages is about twice as long as from the Late Middle Ages to today. A cellphone in a story set during the Renaissance would be less anachronistic than Renaissance technology in a society that more closely mirrors that of Beowulf in the Early Middle Ages (by a good 500+ years).

The things I listed aren’t anachronisms for Middle-earth because the setting isn’t that of medieval Europe. Though it draws from a variety of sources, including the Middle Ages, it is set outside of our timeline. Calling it “medieval allegory” is just ignorant of history and what the author intended.

[Gumble]

You assume I 'loved' the show. That's cute.

Sorry, I know English isn't the first language of a lot of people on here. That qualifying preposition means "for everyone that loves the thing that comes after the comma".... aka the Strawman..... since so many people on here love their Strawmen.

[Adamas102]

even if you ignore the fantastical nature of the way he got up on the oliphaunt, the three arrows to the brain was a very realistic way to kill it, unlike the superman jump off a sword into some blade twirling bollox and then somehow it's weak enough to drop its head and she pokes a hole through the skull with a dagger, they are night and day from each other in terms of farcical presentations of super elves.

The idea that arrows could even pierce the skull of an animal that large is ridiculous. Even small caliber modern firearms will ricochet off the skulls of large animals like bears and elephants.

The point is: stop being a fucking weirdo and trying to argue that one is more farcical than the other.

[Xath]

The idea that arrows could even pierce the skull of an animal that large is ridiculous. Even small caliber modern firearms will ricochet off the skulls of large animals like bears and elephants.

The point is: stop being a fucking weirdo and trying to argue that one is more farcical than the other.

A leap off a mid air sword to use it as a springboard is even more farcical than the shield surfing scene and that on it's own was absurd.

[Adamas102]

A leap off a mid air sword to use it as a springboard is even more farcical than the shield surfing scene and that on it's own was absurd.

Farcical action is par for the course for Tolkien elves on screen. Get over it.

Peter Jackson set the precedent 20 years ago. If you thought Galadriel wasn’t going to do something impossibly badass and ridiculous looking then you were just lying to yourself.

[rogoth]

The idea that arrows could even pierce the skull of an animal that large is ridiculous. Even small caliber modern firearms will ricochet off the skulls of large animals like bears and elephants.

The point is: stop being a fucking weirdo and trying to argue that one is more farcical than the other.

yes, which is why he didn't, this comment just shows how ignorant and uneducated you regarding basic biology and physiology, i suggest you go and watch the scene in question again because he doesn't actually need to pierce the skull, and in fact i could do the self same thing to you without touching the cranium to achieve the same result.

except one is more farcical than the other, and multiple people have stated why they think so, are you telling me that people aren't allowed to find things they subjectively dislike and find farcical? are you really going to say with a straight face 'stop disliking this portion of the show'? really?, well i suppose you are a walking stereotype, so it shouldn't come as too much of a surprise.

[Dhrizzle]

Heroes of the Noldor have taken down Balrogs, Sauron's werewolf (barehanded) and one even held their ground against Morgoth long enough to wound him. It shouldn't be surprising that Galadriel, the greatest of the Noldor (save Fëanor, maybe,) would easily take down a troll.

[rogoth]

Heroes of the Noldor have taken down Balrogs, Sauron's werewolf (barehanded) and one even held their ground against Morgoth long enough to wound him. It shouldn't be surprising that Galadriel, the greatest of the Noldor (save Fëanor, maybe,) would easily take down a troll.

where is that shown in the show so far?, where is any of that described? because unless i missed it it's never shown nor stated nor implied anywhere other than her being a brooding annoying cunt of epic proportions, because this show is doing everything in its power to avoid referencing actual real lore and is instead insistent on the fan fiction drivel being served up.

[Biomega]

Heroes of the Noldor have taken down Balrogs, Sauron's werewolf (barehanded) and one even held their ground against Morgoth long enough to wound him. It shouldn't be surprising that Galadriel, the greatest of the Noldor (save Fëanor, maybe,) would easily take down a troll.

This.

And let's not forget, Elendil and Gil-galad defeated Sauron in direct combat. And that was a One-Ring empowered Sauron at the height of his power at the time, not the slinking Sauron hiding after Morgoth's defeat that we get to see in the show.

Sauron is a Maia, not a god-like Vala. And as said in the quote, even a former Ainu like Morgoth WAS in fact wounded by a single elf in 1v1 combat.

[s_bushido]

where is that shown in the show so far?, where is any of that described? because unless i missed it it's never shown nor stated nor implied anywhere other than her being a brooding annoying cunt of epic proportions, because this show is doing everything in its power to avoid referencing actual real lore and is instead insistent on the fan fiction drivel being served up.

So suddenly now only things shown in the show matter? Fascinating. Because you can google "Galadriel, the greatest of the Noldor" and find out why he keeps saying that for yourself.

[InfiniteCharger]

Heroes of the Noldor have taken down Balrogs, Sauron's werewolf (barehanded) and one even held their ground against Morgoth long enough to wound him. It shouldn't be surprising that Galadriel, the greatest of the Noldor (save Fëanor, maybe,) would easily take down a troll.

Yes but Galadriel was not documented as one of them. And takinig down a troll is not the same as taking down Morgoth.
The problem is all of those Elves should have been able to fight that troll and take it down with or without Galadriel.
Otherwise, why have them on a search for Sauron if they cant even take out a Troll?

The bigger issue is in terms of fleshing out the story of how Elves are trained to fight and what their weapons and tactics are.
It is something they could have at least touched on in this series as all Elves are trained in the lore from a young age in athletics.
I would assume this would include some form of combat and use of weapons. Some level of combat skill and ability should be common.
Her being like an Amazonian in her youth doesn't meant that all the men are weak and inept. Compare to the Hobbit and the female and male elves.

Also, another problem I have seen so far is they must not have been big on hiring extras or using CGI to extend crowds like WETA.
Because large groups of people are notably missing from this show. Like if she is leader of the Northern Armies, then where are they? 10 men certainly isn't an army.

[bledgor]

Yes but Galadriel was not documented as one of them. And takinig down a troll is not the same as taking down Morgoth.
The problem is all of those Elves should have been able to fight that troll and take it down with or without Galadriel.
Otherwise, why have them on a search for Sauron if they cant even take out a Troll.

The bigger issue is in terms of fleshing out the story of how Elves are trained to fight and what their weapons and tactics are.
It is something they could have at least touched on in this series as all Elves are trained in the lore from a young age in athletics.
I would assume this would include some form of combat and use of weapons. Some level of combat skill and ability should be common.

Naw don't you know that being powerful automatically means you can wield a sword like the greatest warrior to ever exist? It couldn't possible mean anything else, like someone being incredible wise, a great leader, immensely knowledgeable,etc. Since people keep using his letter about her having an amazon disposition to justify whatever they want about Galadriel, can we go back to complaining about the lack of dwarven women beards, since that was in a few places?

[InfiniteCharger]

Naw don't you know that being powerful automatically means you can wield a sword like the greatest warrior to ever exist? It couldn't possible mean anything else, like someone being incredible wise, a great leader, immensely knowledgeable,etc. Since people keep using his letter about her having an amazon disposition to justify whatever they want about Galadriel, can we go back to complaining about the lack of dwarven women beards, since that was in a few places?

What they are showing is contradicting what they have been saying. So I guess now that she was exiled for infinity to the undying lands, she technically got demoted right along with her squad? Which means that whole story line was contrived to begin with as they just wanted some cool sword action and then needed someway to get Galadriel on that raft with Halbrand. And this is how the writers solved that problem of getting her from point a to point b because being on that boat was a big deal for the studio and shown in the marketing. Doesn't make sense that the high king would ignore the warnings of the 'leader of the Northern Armies' and then pick a squad of soldiers she should have been able to pick for herself from that army. But then they couldn't shown that she was being stabbed in the back by them, meaning everything about that her 'empowerment' is a contradiction. If they didn't have confidence in her skills and leadership, they never would have made her leader of an army, so them questioning her like this and then exiling her while claiming she is this leader is a contradiction. A better story would be she was made commander because of her skills and that would have been part of the flash back, not any bullying. And by the time the show starts, she literally leads an army and is using them to look for Sauron around Middle Earth.

[Adamas102]

yes, which is why he didn't, this comment just shows how ignorant and uneducated you regarding basic biology and physiology, i suggest you go and watch the scene in question again because he doesn't actually need to pierce the skull, and in fact i could do the self same thing to you without touching the cranium to achieve the same result.

Going from weirdo to psycho, huh? Yeah, that seems on brand for you.

Legolas stands on the oliphant’s neck and shoots downward towards the base of the head. There would be no way to hit the brain at that angle without needing to pierce the skull. Even the spine in that area would be protected by like 6ft worth of fat and muscle.

It was supposed to look cool, not realistic. I’m not telling you what to like or dislike. I’m telling you that trying to compare and contrast how impossible two impossible feats are is silly.