1. #3941
    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    Not really. Either he has recent white ancestry of it'd an unusual genetic coincidence or Illuvatar decided the correct hröa for this particular fëa should be lighter skinned.
    Historical drama taking place in central africa before eu made inroads yes it's immersion breaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    She is over TWO THOUSAND years old at this point of the show. That's what I meant when I criticized the actress - she makes Galadriel seem like a brat, when she really, really IS NOT.

    We don't know when Finrod died in the show, but in the books, his death was also a good ONE THOUSAND years ago. So she's really been doing this for... quite a while.


    That's actually not unrealistic at all. That's how warfare worked back in the day.

    People underestimate the sheer problem of communication - just getting messages across took forever, let alone engage in preparations. Not to mention the logistics of mobilization etc. that could take enormous lengths of time. Military campaigns could take YEARS just to get off the ground, and DECADES to finish.

    And Galadriel's main concern is primarily to prove that Sauron is actually still there and still a threat. Locating him once you've gotten an army together is a different matter, which would likely have involved a lot more effort, too, once the main forces of the elves were on board. The only reason Sauron can "hide" as he does is that barely anyone is looking; most of the elves at this point consider him a past threat, and they maintain but a token guard at best (and mostly for his former followers, like humans, not for Sauron himself). If Galadriel came to Gil-galad with proof that Sauron was massing an army, things would be VERY different. There'd be a massive mobilization effort from the elves, scouts would be sent to all corners of the world, and strategies employed to corner the enemy.

    That's how warfare works. First you have to prove there's a threat. Then find that threat. THEN make plans on how to defeat it. You don't go into step 1 knowing all the details of step 3. You couldn't possibly. There's nothing illogical and unrealistic about this in principle. The only thing you can argue is that Galadriel is taking things too far with her zeal - but not that she doesn't just have 50,000 soldiers standing by at all times, because no one would in that situation.
    no she's not, because the show doesn't provide any frame of reference for time, furthermore, Galadriel in this shit heap is shown to have first hand knowledge of things that she couldn't possibly have seen yet here we are, we don't know if what's being shown is from the early second age post the age of the stars and entering into the age where time is measured as 'years of the sun', because if these amateur showrunners and writers actually gave firm timeframe references it would destroy everything they have done, so they can't afford to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    Historical drama taking place in central africa before eu made inroads yes it's immersion breaking.
    Ah yeah, if you ramp up degrees of specificity so it has nothing to do with this series it might be jarring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    To the people critizing Galadriel for single handed taking down a troll, need I remind you that Legolas defied the laws of gravity to take down a giant elephant in the Battle of the Pelennor Fields... If a women did that holy shit you'd all lose your shit. xD
    Well, that is also ignoring the fact that Legolas at that point was established as a likeable character and this feat merely roots his accomplishments, while also adding brevity with a comedic hook at the end.

    But hey if you wanna make this about boobs then sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    To the people critizing Galadriel for single handed taking down a troll, need I remind you that Legolas defied the laws of gravity to take down a giant elephant in the Battle of the Pelennor Fields... If a women did that holy shit you'd all lose your shit. xD
    Can't say I've heard any praise of the elephant scene, nor the shield sliding scenes. Most ridicule them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    Well, that is also ignoring the fact that Legolas at that point was established as a likeable character and this feat merely roots his accomplishments, while also adding brevity with a comedic hook at the end.

    But hey if you wanna make this about boobs then sure.
    So you can only bring down giant beasts if you're likable... Gotta add that to me writing 101.

    Also before you say I am defending the Galadriel character, I also think she is the worst part of the series, I am not entirely into her arc or the direction of her acting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    So you can only bring down giant beasts if you're likable... Gotta add that to me writing 101.

    Also before you say I am defending the Galadriel character, I also think she is the worst part of the series, I am not entirely into her arc or the direction of her acting.
    I think Clark should have been kept as a human supporting character, perhaps even the main female human protagonist, but someone else was better for the role of Galadriel. I don't really dislike her specifically, her acting and portrayal just seems somehow off and out of sync and almost forced in some ways. I think it is sad that people attack her (there was a video saying that she needed therapy after the backlash), but when you are trying to be the main character in a $250 million production by a major company, that role does come with very high expectations and qualifications.

    I'm not sure who, perhaps that blond British actress from The Great Gatsby? Again, I liked Arwen and Tauriel and their actresses immensely, they both seemed uniquely elven and realistic in a way that this young Galadriel isn't, really immersing you in an otherworldly setting with their performance and dialogue and interactions with fellow characters. I think the Eowyn actress, were she 20 years younger, could have made a very fine young Galadriel!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    So you can only bring down giant beasts if you're likable... Gotta add that to me writing 101.
    Not directed at you, but just an appropriate line to toss it in on.....



    For everyone here who loves it so much, I give you something to aim your vitriol at:





    LOTR should have thrown a few of them into it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by OwenBurton View Post
    I think it is sad that people attack her (there was a video saying that she needed therapy after the backlash), but when you are trying to be the main character in a $250 million production by a major company, that role does come with very high expectations and qualifications.
    Personal attacks are, of course, never okay. But the actress isn't the only one to blame. It's the job of the directors and producers, too, to make sure that this doesn't happen. You can't play that character like you would a random human character in some regular drama show. That's just not how it works. If you can't handle the kind of emotional complexity that comes with playing an elf who only LOOKS young but really very much isn't, then you shouldn't be picked to portray one. I'm not saying e.g. Arondir is done perfectly, but in that respect at least the actor does a far better job at it than Galadriel's actress does with her character.

    Part of the problem is of course that actors are trained in a certain way, and that way is really focused on human characters. Playing non-humans is challenging; WRITING them is challenging, too, if you don't want to fall into overdrawn stereotypes or the whole "human, but with different ears" thing that persistently haunts genres like SF and Fantasy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OwenBurton View Post
    I think Clark should have been kept as a human supporting character, perhaps even the main female human protagonist, but someone else was better for the role of Galadriel. I don't really dislike her specifically, her acting and portrayal just seems somehow off and out of sync and almost forced in some ways. I think it is sad that people attack her (there was a video saying that she needed therapy after the backlash), but when you are trying to be the main character in a $250 million production by a major company, that role does come with very high expectations and qualifications.

    I'm not sure who, perhaps that blond British actress from The Great Gatsby? Again, I liked Arwen and Tauriel and their actresses immensely, they both seemed uniquely elven and realistic in a way that this young Galadriel isn't, really immersing you in an otherworldly setting with their performance and dialogue and interactions with fellow characters. I think the Eowyn actress, were she 20 years younger, could have made a very fine young Galadriel!

    I am not even sure its fair for me to say she is a good Galadriel, she has moments but I think that's more down to the stuff going on around her, and camera shots. Also it may be my more familiarity with the movies over the books, but she looks way too human. Personally I would have been totally fine if the role of Galadriel wasnt even Galadriel but an entirely new character.

    and as much as I think the show so far is... fine... I honest feel they should have went the Shadow of Mordor route and just bring us new characters in a second age setting with maybe some cameos thrown in.

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    For everyone here who loves it so much, I give you something to aim your vitriol at:
    You assume I 'loved' the show. That's cute. I got lots of complaints about the show, I thought the show was decent at best. I Just think most of the complaints about the show are unwarranted and dumb. I am yet to be wowed. By the end of the season I could hate the show, who knows. The biggest praise I have for the show is the musical score and the costume design for the orcs

    This forum tends to be very hyperbolic, like the show can either only be good or bad and never in-between. Thankfully I am the in-between. (which feels like the Last Jedi all over again ugh)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArminVanburkek View Post
    I use the 8.5 rating for the series, movies can go like down to 6 or even lower.
    using solely an imdb rating, regardless for what, as an absolute break point, offers the least meaningful value and is in my opinion the most stupid thing, one can base a descission on.

    when paired WITH, and set in relation TO, other critics like metacrirics or rotten tomatoes, the metrics of imdb ratings are fine. used solo, as an absolute measurement, it’s horrible and plain useless.

    every cineast will tell you the same. but if you are just watching 5 series in 20-40 years, ofc it’s fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kumorii View Post
    Can't say I've heard any praise of the elephant scene, nor the shield sliding scenes. Most ridicule them.
    even if you ignore the fantastical nature of the way he got up on the oliphaunt, the three arrows to the brain was a very realistic way to kill it, unlike the superman jump off a sword into some blade twirling bollox and then somehow it's weak enough to drop its head and she pokes a hole through the skull with a dagger, they are night and day from each other in terms of farcical presentations of super elves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    Yet the anachronisms are generally within reason and applied to a setting where melee combat was how warfare was fought, and there was no advanced technology as far as what could be considered modern. The range of technology is loose enough to be based on a point in time before gunpowder was widely used for hand-weapons. The anachronisms don't make the setting completely unfamiliar to history.

    Like even the Warhammer fantasy setting is completely anachronistic and mixes Aztec culture with Teutonic Knights and Vikings and gunpowder-using Riflemen. Even Dwarves employ 'Tanks', but the setting wouldn't be comparable to say 1920's warfare just because they have access to tanks. It's just how the setting presents itself.

    With Middle Earth, the anachronisms are less egregious.
    This just boils down to a misunderstanding of how numbers work.

    The span of time from the Early to the Late Middle Ages is about twice as long as from the Late Middle Ages to today. A cellphone in a story set during the Renaissance would be less anachronistic than Renaissance technology in a society that more closely mirrors that of Beowulf in the Early Middle Ages (by a good 500+ years).

    The things I listed aren’t anachronisms for Middle-earth because the setting isn’t that of medieval Europe. Though it draws from a variety of sources, including the Middle Ages, it is set outside of our timeline. Calling it “medieval allegory” is just ignorant of history and what the author intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    You assume I 'loved' the show. That's cute.
    Sorry, I know English isn't the first language of a lot of people on here. That qualifying preposition means "for everyone that loves the thing that comes after the comma".... aka the Strawman..... since so many people on here love their Strawmen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogoth View Post
    even if you ignore the fantastical nature of the way he got up on the oliphaunt, the three arrows to the brain was a very realistic way to kill it, unlike the superman jump off a sword into some blade twirling bollox and then somehow it's weak enough to drop its head and she pokes a hole through the skull with a dagger, they are night and day from each other in terms of farcical presentations of super elves.
    The idea that arrows could even pierce the skull of an animal that large is ridiculous. Even small caliber modern firearms will ricochet off the skulls of large animals like bears and elephants.

    The point is: stop being a fucking weirdo and trying to argue that one is more farcical than the other.

  16. #3956
    Quote Originally Posted by Adamas102 View Post
    The idea that arrows could even pierce the skull of an animal that large is ridiculous. Even small caliber modern firearms will ricochet off the skulls of large animals like bears and elephants.

    The point is: stop being a fucking weirdo and trying to argue that one is more farcical than the other.
    A leap off a mid air sword to use it as a springboard is even more farcical than the shield surfing scene and that on it's own was absurd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    A leap off a mid air sword to use it as a springboard is even more farcical than the shield surfing scene and that on it's own was absurd.
    Farcical action is par for the course for Tolkien elves on screen. Get over it.

    Peter Jackson set the precedent 20 years ago. If you thought Galadriel wasn’t going to do something impossibly badass and ridiculous looking then you were just lying to yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamas102 View Post
    The idea that arrows could even pierce the skull of an animal that large is ridiculous. Even small caliber modern firearms will ricochet off the skulls of large animals like bears and elephants.

    The point is: stop being a fucking weirdo and trying to argue that one is more farcical than the other.
    yes, which is why he didn't, this comment just shows how ignorant and uneducated you regarding basic biology and physiology, i suggest you go and watch the scene in question again because he doesn't actually need to pierce the skull, and in fact i could do the self same thing to you without touching the cranium to achieve the same result.

    except one is more farcical than the other, and multiple people have stated why they think so, are you telling me that people aren't allowed to find things they subjectively dislike and find farcical? are you really going to say with a straight face 'stop disliking this portion of the show'? really?, well i suppose you are a walking stereotype, so it shouldn't come as too much of a surprise.

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    Heroes of the Noldor have taken down Balrogs, Sauron's werewolf (barehanded) and one even held their ground against Morgoth long enough to wound him. It shouldn't be surprising that Galadriel, the greatest of the Noldor (save Fëanor, maybe,) would easily take down a troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    Heroes of the Noldor have taken down Balrogs, Sauron's werewolf (barehanded) and one even held their ground against Morgoth long enough to wound him. It shouldn't be surprising that Galadriel, the greatest of the Noldor (save Fëanor, maybe,) would easily take down a troll.
    where is that shown in the show so far?, where is any of that described? because unless i missed it it's never shown nor stated nor implied anywhere other than her being a brooding annoying cunt of epic proportions, because this show is doing everything in its power to avoid referencing actual real lore and is instead insistent on the fan fiction drivel being served up.

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